Paul A Linsky @paulalinsky
@d_seaman high level arrests. Where? Cut the BS.
David Seaman @d_seaman
Why don't you call @DHSgov and @FBI yourself? I've done an enormous amount for the community - time for others to do their part
David Seaman @d_seaman
I don't have any other information. If our law enforcement is as rigged as our media, that's just one more thing to make great again.
David Seaman @d_seaman
Frankly there should have been arrests by now. Look at Tony Podesta's eyes. Look at all of his family's art choices. Sick things.
He owes us a source or he's a confirmed shill.
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DeathToMasons ago
He has done nothing for the community, nothing for research. He has contributed zero research. He twice gave us breaking alerts, insider info tells him arrest to made with days or hours. Now he says he has done "an enormous amount for the community". He is a total joke and needs to be shunned by the research community and the PG followers. False alarms and hogging spotlight for something he has had no contribution to. Just bringing up the most basic facts we knew months ago and talking about those things he read. The guy is pathetic. Unsubscribe from his youtube channel or anything else he does. And don't send him money, he does no research.
cantsleepawink ago
Agree. Sorry to say he has now confirmed my suspicions that he's a gatekeeper. At this point he is becoming a liability to the research community.
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
Disclaimer:I haven't listened to him in months, So maybe he's changed. But I'm writing this comment under the premise that he's acted the same he's acted from the get go...His "Major arrests" tweet is the first time in months I even thought about him.
He's Not a shill, or gatekeeper. He's someone who's attempting to paint himself as someone of "Importance" and trying to make a name for himself. He made a claim that turned out to be false.... But did he do it deliberately? What Purpose does that serve? I mean he made an extremely bold, but more importantly, an EXTREMELY SPECIFIC claim. Again, Don't know how he is now, but when I listened to him he was really focusing on how the MSM Is the actual fake news...We could interpret the tweet in question as being "Fake News", but realistically it was most likely "wrong News." There's no reason he would do that, IF he didn't truly believe it was going to happen...
His main goal is to make a name for himself, and being wrong about such a bold claim only hurts his main goal. He isn't deliberately pushing false information, because that also hurts his main goal...
HOWEVER, His only contribution has been giving pizzagate some attention, which is extremely important....But he should have stuck to that. He has no inside sources, and if he does he hasn't shared anything he's been told. He hasn't "broke" any new information, Ever. He doesn't Do research, and again, If he has then he hasn't shared any of his findings. To clarify, He's obviously researched the topic, but he isn't actively INVESTIGATING the topic.
Not a single thing that has come out of his mouth has been original, whether it be information he's conveying, or predictions he's making
That being said, We need to tighten the definitions of the words we use to label our "Opponents", and loosen our standards when judging our "Allies".... NOT everyone is a shill, because they end up being wrong, make a mistake, Or because they aren't doing things as quickly or in the manner in which would like to see. Holy fuck... Actually I think I might be contradicting myself here. I guess a "Shill" originally meant pushing an agenda for money, In which case he most certainly is a shill since he's attempting to capitalize on this. Not necessarily for money, but definitely to make a name for himself.
I've become so accustom to "shills" being people who are deliberately pushing A FALSE narrative... As in, They know what they are saying is bullshit, but they either have monetary incentive or motivated by fear of exposure. In which case, He is not a shill. He doesn't push false info in attempt to derail any legitimate leads. He also doesn't push info unless he thinks it legit.
If he were a shill, or gatekeeper, He wouldn't have made the "Major arrest" claim last night... If he KNEW that wasn't going to happen, He wouldn't have said it, because there's no better way to ruin your reputation, then by making a BOLD prediction based on"Sources" only to end up being wrong less than 24 hours later... Ya know? And again, I think that's his main objective here.
Lately it seems as though we assume everything is Black and white....
"WHY ARE WE SEEING ALL THESE SMALL ARRESTS, WHY ISN'T HILLARY IN JAIL" Well.... A) because Trump has been in office for less than month... B) That's not how things work.
People need to start looking at this situation in a bit more practical terms.... Not everyone who's been exposed as being connected to pizzagate, Will be charged, let alone convicted. Is that justice? No. But true justice is not realistic, unfortunately.... ALL OF US, have way too much to lose. And we'd lose it all If we want true justice. If we want everyone connected to this to be thrown in jail(As they should be) than we have to realize that life as we know it will cease to exist.
THIS is what the FBI ANON made clear in July....You can implode the government in which case our country basically collapses and world war III starts. Or it can be a controlled demolition. True Justice isn't about controlled demolitions, But it's the most realistic choice.... Anyone that reads this comment has A LOT to lose... We are not at the point in which we'd rather Die Fighting our government, than continue living under their control. If you want true justice, you can expect the foreseeable future to be worse than anything we've ever experienced.
That being said, for the first time we actually have a chance of dissolving the current practices being excuted by US and other First world countries...But the only chance we have of that happening, is if the majority of the "Evil Doers" are given an out... An outcome that DOES NOT consist of "Public exposure" or "arrests." That doesn't mean there won't be consequences for them, But if we back the most powerful people into a corner where they know the will be undoubtedly prosecuted, they aren't just going to lay down and take it... They will fight, and as motivated as we think we are, to see these people prosecuted, they people fearing exposure and prosecution are 1000 times more motivated than us.
We already know how evil these fucks are....But keep in mind, They're this evil when they know the majority of people are unaware of what they are doing. If the evil fucks are exposed to the entire population, and the entire population wants to see them all prosecuted... then they have no reason to hold back... As evil as they are now, Imagine the evil we would see if the "evil Doers" have literally nothing to lose.
Obviously EVERY person implicated in all of this, Needs to be removed from their position, and strictly monitored for the rest of their life. A lot of their assets need to be seized, they need privileges taken away.... I realize how crazy that sounds, considering the countless heinous acts they executed over the decades... But again, this is real life, and there is no true justice without true chaos.
Alright.... That's my one, uneducated, probably wrong, rant for the day. Carry on
TLDR: David is not pushing False info deliberately. He made a claim that ended up being wrong, and He will suffer consequences from doing so. He Likes to make peope think he's important to this research, when really his only importance is to spread the information that others have already found... Which is needed. But he obviously has no credible sources, and should not be some who we go to for "Break throughs" "answers" or "predictions." He is trying to capitalize on this event, So if that's the criteria for being a shill, then he most certainly is... But If he's a shill for doing that, we need a new name for the people deliberately pushing false info, in attempt to save "The system"
catslovejustice ago
Great post! But Seaman wasn't the only one saying arrests were soon on the twittersphere. I think he was more specific than anyone else but last week or the week prior there were a number of tweets about arrests being imminent. Even Alex Jones was telling pedos that their day of reckoning would be soon. Not defending Seaman. I was a little put out that he was announcing arrests and when they would happen. I would think you would not want to put the guilty on high alert.
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
You're totally right. That's what I meant when I say hes not very original in his reporting or predictions, but He's still an asset in spreading a lot of information.
You know.... I don't know what it is, but I believe the fuck out of alex jones lately. I try not to incorporate him when formulating my opinions on these matters, or any "talking Head" for that matter.... But like, when was the last time this dude was wrong? Granted I rarley listen to his 4 hour long daily show, so I'm sure he's often wrong about a wide range of things.... Since everyone is, especially when you have to fill 4 hours a day... But Every overall point I hear him make, Either ends up true, or was already proven true but no one else is really talking about it.
Also, Alex jones is attacked by MSM More than any other alternative media figure... Granted I'm completely making the statistic up, but based on how much attention they give him, by trying to discredit him...but honestly, they never can. THEY HAVE to take things completely out of context, in order to make him look bad. So He's got to be on to something, right? I 100% believe he has legit sources. He even named a few(without actually naming them) on the joe rogan podcast. What I'm trying to say is; I LIKE ALEX JONES. There. I said it. Wait.... what was my point...
OH yeah, I'm still holding out hope that there will be some major arrests, simply because he said it... I don't feel comfortable hanging my hope on the people making similar claims, simply because I don't know enough about them... A month ago, I thought trump would go through with a lot, but I figured there was no way it would happen so soon. But based on how much he's done in such a short time, there very well could be major arrests on the horizon
archons ago
Best comment in the thread. Eat it shills.
VieBleu ago
Perhaps law enfocement is using the "arrests happening soon" pressure to smoke out cover up activity- shredding papers, hiding assets, selling off contraband cheaply or quickly, monitoring connections that are only made between perps when absolutely necessary, that sort of thing. Ratcheting up the pressure and perp paranoia with internet buzz might be a way to get people to go ahead and "whistle like a canary", turn in their bosses, save their own precious hides. And Seaman just a useful idiot within that process.
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
I agree with your comment completely.... I do want to clarify, that I have absolutely zero qualms with David Seaman. Again, Haven't listened to him for awhile, But I did like him when stopped listening, and I still like him now. I think he was most certainly being an idiot when making this prediction, but perhaps he actually did have a source, but something fell through... I mean, that's not even somewhat Implausible. ...But honestly, he has done nothing to deserve my benefit of the doubt, when he claims to have sources. All I meant by that was he has not history of producing new information, or plausible theories. Which again, IS FINE! Ok, I'm going to abandon the rest of my david seam comment becuase I feel like I'm ranting again....
But I Do want to defend your theory, for any future rebuttals, or people who might be thinking. "They've had months to get rid of the evidence and shred papers and blah blah"
First I'll say; Yes, There's a chance Trump will be able to do nothing, or that he has an alliterative motive that we aren't aware of... But I don't think either of those theories will be proven true.
OK... So Yes, they have had a long time to get rid of the evidence....The evidence that people know about. I truly think that A lot of high level people involved with this, Thought they were going to get away with it. and maybe they will Not even in the sense that they thought they wouldn't be prosecuted. I mean they thought they were going to be able to continue business with usual, in all the ways that haven't been publicly exposed.
I'm sure a lot of people knew this from the start, since looking back on it it almost seems common sense... But I just realized that business is going on as usual, for the majority of these people, if that business hasn't been publicly exposed. We're able to see microcosm of this, everytime people discover new Instagrams that overtly pedophile related... Like, this shit started months ago, and so many people that are just as guilty, don't seem to care if they are personally being investigated. So that it was there's still risk of "tipping people off"
Too often I see people saying "If they were going to do something by now, they would have" as far as getting rid as evidence.
I mean, there's a lot of money involved with all of this fuckery, and the pedohpile aspect is just a small slice...pun intended... Sorry. Like walter white famously said "Do you know what would happen if I just stopped? A company big enough to be on the nasdaq would go belly up..... CEASE To exist. I'm the one that knocks...." Ok, so I definitly just butchered that quote, but I think it makes my point. Or it could be that these people are fucking psycho paths and we have know way of rationalizing their choices. Which doesn't seem unlikely since they enjoy fucking children.
So just remember that when posting things..... It's good to spread information, but just be weary of the very real fact, that it could halt further research in to the topic, if not handled properly. Sometimes It's not always best to post what you found, on VOAT, immediately, sometimes not at all....
VieBleu ago
Good discussion and an unintended pun always lightens things up ; ). I had more thoughts on this on another thread - I'd like to cross post here, hope that is okay.
In a climate of "arrests are immanent" it just may be a lot harder to do business, so that at least dampens things. Maybe that alone is already helping some kids not get stolen, moved, sold. And then, the pedo peddlers and their customers can't get their fix so easily now. So it would be only a matter of time before they go to less trusted sources (backpages of weeklies) or hit the streets to get it - and can be busted there. Incredible if we hear of Podesta being jailed overnight for solicitation of a minor, booked and released, but the wheels of justice start their slow grind and victims start to come forward...an anon can dream
ALSO: Look, we want any arrests made to be made properly and to stick. What if a month from now it goes down. Sure a terrible wait for us, but in the scheme of things, they have got to have their ducks in a row and our wait agony is unimportant. Sessions butt has just hit his new office chair today probably.
They've got a lot of leads since Superbowl arrests and California sting went down - what if they are getting leads and turning over of evidence and testimony to bigger fish than they thought they could. The Superbowl perps have to lawyer up to make plea deals, these things take a second or two. Is it worth waiting a little while to get the best busts they can? Of course it is.
I really have no doubt, going forward there are going to be far more arrests of pedos than their ever have been and higher up the chains. The pressure is on pedos, if you don't have an escape plan in place, you are already behind the curve. Start dumping and pumping and scanning and running, because this game is far far far from over.
Okay FINAL THOUGHT: And what about that horrible torture audio that surfaced over the last few days. WHAT IF - the perp knows who is recorded there - it is HIMSELF - even if we can't say for sure it is Podesta or anyone else. What if it is a warning - "Hey, we know you are watching to see what surfaces. We've got this on you. Who knows what else we've got. Pressure is ON perp!" What if law enforcement is playing the internet like a well tempered clavier? (Westworld ref.)
tl:dr - the internet is at heart a rumor mill and an information sharing locker. Law enforcement uses that to it's advantage, squeezing and pressuring perps to act out. As for us? "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device."- Hotel California
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
Ninja edit: So I replied to your comment before looking at the front page, apparantely the "podesta torture tape" is back in the cycle.... So Perhpas we'll know it's authenticity sooner than expected? Haven't even looked at the post at the time of the edit.
I know right? This year has been moving so quickly, I think we've all grown a bit impatient(Myself included). A month ago, I had no hopes of anyone being arrested anytime soon... But now I catch myself thinking "COME ON, WHATS TAKING SO LONG" So yeah, They need time to do right.... That being said, I think we can assume that this investigation didn't start when trump took office. We know for a fact that the clinton foudnation has been on going for over a year, regardless of how much they were be fought not to.
As far as that recording goes.... FUCK THAT. That recording very well could be the most fucked up thing I've ever heard... AND I'm trying to tell myself it's fake. I could hear john podesta... But I wonder if I would have him, if the title didn't suggest it was him in the post title, ya know? EIther way, I Have no clue how to determine if that video is fake or not, and I don't think anyone has given a reasonable answer one way or the other? They might have.... I listened to the clip and immediately moved on to something else, It was too much for me, especially since we don't know if it's authentic, let alone relevant. Your theory sounds very plausible though... Perhaps we'll know in time.
bopper ago
I liked your rant, you're doing some critical and objective thinking.