That first link doesn't prove much of anything; it says the White House asked PP if the videos are true or fake and they said they were fake.
Second link (which you've posted here twice so far) cites two frauds; the first very specific, showing a stillborn fetus instead of an aborted one:
'”Carly Fiorina was referencing a sequence in our video that shows footage of a born-alive infant from a late-term abortion actually moving in the specimen pan,” he explained.
“But if you’re talking about organ harvesting and abortions and how terrible they are why would you use a stillborn fetus, which is not a function of an abortion?” Cuomo asked.
“It’s the same baby, whether it’s born dead or alive, whether the organs are harvested or not,” Daleiden replied.
“It’s also completely irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make, which is, ‘Look at what they do to these babies,'” the CNN host pressed. “It was born stillborn. It was not aborted. Doesn’t that matter to you if you’re talking about abortion?”
“It’s the same kind of fetus,” Daleiden continued to insist.
“My point is context,” Cuomo shot back. “You’re saying, ‘what they do in abortions,’ that wasn’t an abortion. That’s my point.”'
Second point, claims the video was edited fraudulently:
'For Republicans, letting Daleiden speak meant the truth might slip out. Daleiden might admit that in the 43 edits he took quotes out of context and falsely attributed quotes to Planned Parenthood employees. He might remind people that the “full version” of the video is just a less edited version.'
Find something else to do --
something other than defending fake videos by extremists affiliated with Operation Rescue which has
pushed their followers to murder doctors at women's clinics. "If you believe it's murder, act like it."
And some of their deranged religious fanatics have done just that.
"According to the Senate Judicial Committee report, in 2001 Planned Parenthood did have a policy stating its clinics had to have an independent accountant verify they were not profiting from the sale of body parts. Those who did not follow these guidelines could be thrown out of the Planned Parenthood network, they were warned. In 2011, when they found their clinics were ignoring the guidelines, Planned Parenthood quietly deleted the guidelines from its requirements. By doing so, Planned Parenthood headquarters made it quite clear they would not stand in the way of their clinics profiting from the sale of baby parts."
If PP is in any way dealing in trafficking body parts (aside from fetal tissue donated by patients which was made legal by the GOP Congress)
then there should be an "impartial investigation" by our DOJ and the evidence presented to the public.
We are now in a situation where we have a GOP absolutely opposed to birth control and abortion in a full on attack to limit gynecological health care for women, including birth control, abortion and PAP smears and breast exams. That's not going to work.
Neither is anything based on the faked videos going to work.
The Congress ALLOWED the clinics to charge "reasonable fees." I believe experts have made clear that what they charged has
barely covered their expenses in preserving the fetal tissues, transporting it, etal.
Don't know what the situation is with the organizing documents of PP, but essentially it is a non-profit organization.
It can't go both ways -- and consideration of that has to be in Congress' hands. If they don't like the change, they should
act on it.
Still -- what will be "reasonable" fees as opposed to other clinics making actual "profits."
That's another question to be asked of Congress.
The nation supports Roe vs Wade and they do so by very high numbers mid-70's and mid-80's --
Though simply CHOICE -- abortion for any reason whatsoever -- has only a simple majority of 51%, though expected to rise.
This is a liberal nation in its outlook and as we can see from the Sanders' campaign.
The US public also supports funding for Planned Parenthood.
What will also happen here, imo, is that the Catholic Church will falter even more extremely if this abortion issue continues to be pushed,
especially as it has been in the past to murder of doctors. There is a very strong connection of religious fanatics to this issue.
And, yet, we see that Catholic women have just as many abortions as any other women -- that has to be understood.
And when Latinos/Latinas are added in -- the support for abortion services are even higher.
We are here right now discussing Pizzagate -- and there is no event of organized sexual abuse of children that has taken place in the past or relatively recently where the "church" is not involved.
Especially the Satanic elements where it is organized patriarchal religion (male-supremacist religion) which introduced Satan/Devil and
Heaven and Hell into their religion. Organized patriarchal religion also underpins patriarchy. ** One cannot exist without the other.**
Support for organized religion is falling all over the world which makes clear that unless protected by the sword, the cross will fall.
PP is under constant surveillance by the Congress -- long has been as the GOP has been very anxious to cut and destroy it's Federal funding.
If something has been found, let Congress present the evidence.
Re both of your replies --
If you are not an anti-abortion fanatic, then my apologies.
However, that is where the attacks on Planned Parenthood generally rise - with the right wing.
The GOP Congress has been trying to defund PP since long before the faked video.
They have no credibility because of their attempts to overturn Roe vs Wade and certainly aren't impartial by any means in regard to PP.
So -- Congressional investigation is meaningless. Just as Warren Report was.
Independent Congressional investigation? You're daydreaming.
Now -- again -- IF Planned Parenthood is doing something they shouldn't be doing, then let the states investigate and
report that information to the public/DOJ so that it can be seen and judged.
And I'm not talking about more faked videos.
Fortunately, Americans are leaving organized patriarchal religion and RCC in droves and this has been going on over 40 and more years.
And it's happening all over the world. The history of the church is being re-examined and put out there for the public to read and decide for themselves.
And, whether Belgium, or Canada, or Ireland -- or any other place where the RCC has been been involved worldwide -- there are scandals old and new having to do with children, profiting from institutionalizing children, and from selling of children.
There's information on this all over the internet -
Also see recent movies on RCC: "Magdalene Laundries" and "Philomena" from which you can get a glimmer of what has been happening.
If you recall the very beginnings of this nation - genocide vs Native Americans -- you will note the involvement of RCC in "Church schools" set up by our government and the kidnappings and abuse of children and murdering of children in those schools. (Mormon church was also involved)
"When they came we had the land and they had the book.
When they left we had the book and they had the land."
Obviously as far as the history of organized patriarchal religion, the Old Testament was written to cement patriarchy.
All male-supremacist religions underpin patriarchy. This is what the figure "Jesus" was voicing in part -- the lies of the
Old Testament.
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Votescam ago
White House Says Planned Parenthood Videos Are Fake, Cites Planned Parenthood
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/30/white-house-says-planned-parenthood-videos-are-fake-cites-planned-parenthood/
Also --
The Producer Of The Planned Parenthood Videos Admits That They Are A Fraud
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/30/cnn-david-daleiden-producer-doctored-planned-parenthood-videos-admits-fraud.html
sore_ass_losers ago
That first link doesn't prove much of anything; it says the White House asked PP if the videos are true or fake and they said they were fake.
Second link (which you've posted here twice so far) cites two frauds; the first very specific, showing a stillborn fetus instead of an aborted one:
'”Carly Fiorina was referencing a sequence in our video that shows footage of a born-alive infant from a late-term abortion actually moving in the specimen pan,” he explained.
“But if you’re talking about organ harvesting and abortions and how terrible they are why would you use a stillborn fetus, which is not a function of an abortion?” Cuomo asked.
“It’s the same baby, whether it’s born dead or alive, whether the organs are harvested or not,” Daleiden replied.
“It’s also completely irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make, which is, ‘Look at what they do to these babies,'” the CNN host pressed. “It was born stillborn. It was not aborted. Doesn’t that matter to you if you’re talking about abortion?”
“It’s the same kind of fetus,” Daleiden continued to insist.
“My point is context,” Cuomo shot back. “You’re saying, ‘what they do in abortions,’ that wasn’t an abortion. That’s my point.”'
Second point, claims the video was edited fraudulently:
'For Republicans, letting Daleiden speak meant the truth might slip out. Daleiden might admit that in the 43 edits he took quotes out of context and falsely attributed quotes to Planned Parenthood employees. He might remind people that the “full version” of the video is just a less edited version.'
Votescam ago
Give it a rest.
sore_ass_losers ago
You give it a rest. "White House Says Planned Parenthood Videos Are Fake, Cites Planned Parenthood" sounds like a headline from The Onion.
Votescam ago
Find something else to do -- something other than defending fake videos by extremists affiliated with Operation Rescue which has pushed their followers to murder doctors at women's clinics. "If you believe it's murder, act like it." And some of their deranged religious fanatics have done just that.
sore_ass_losers ago
The issue we are discussing is organ trafficking at PP, not abortions and Operation Rescue.
Here's a story from January this year discussing the results of House and Senate investigations, which didn't rely on the undercover CMP video.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/15/mcaleer-planned-parenthood-investigation-finds-horrifying-criminal-practices/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
"According to the Senate Judicial Committee report, in 2001 Planned Parenthood did have a policy stating its clinics had to have an independent accountant verify they were not profiting from the sale of body parts. Those who did not follow these guidelines could be thrown out of the Planned Parenthood network, they were warned. In 2011, when they found their clinics were ignoring the guidelines, Planned Parenthood quietly deleted the guidelines from its requirements. By doing so, Planned Parenthood headquarters made it quite clear they would not stand in the way of their clinics profiting from the sale of baby parts."
Votescam ago
If PP is in any way dealing in trafficking body parts (aside from fetal tissue donated by patients which was made legal by the GOP Congress) then there should be an "impartial investigation" by our DOJ and the evidence presented to the public.
We are now in a situation where we have a GOP absolutely opposed to birth control and abortion in a full on attack to limit gynecological health care for women, including birth control, abortion and PAP smears and breast exams. That's not going to work.
Neither is anything based on the faked videos going to work.
The Congress ALLOWED the clinics to charge "reasonable fees." I believe experts have made clear that what they charged has barely covered their expenses in preserving the fetal tissues, transporting it, etal.
Don't know what the situation is with the organizing documents of PP, but essentially it is a non-profit organization. It can't go both ways -- and consideration of that has to be in Congress' hands. If they don't like the change, they should act on it. Still -- what will be "reasonable" fees as opposed to other clinics making actual "profits." That's another question to be asked of Congress.
The nation supports Roe vs Wade and they do so by very high numbers mid-70's and mid-80's -- Though simply CHOICE -- abortion for any reason whatsoever -- has only a simple majority of 51%, though expected to rise. This is a liberal nation in its outlook and as we can see from the Sanders' campaign.
The US public also supports funding for Planned Parenthood.
What will also happen here, imo, is that the Catholic Church will falter even more extremely if this abortion issue continues to be pushed, especially as it has been in the past to murder of doctors. There is a very strong connection of religious fanatics to this issue. And, yet, we see that Catholic women have just as many abortions as any other women -- that has to be understood. And when Latinos/Latinas are added in -- the support for abortion services are even higher.
We are here right now discussing Pizzagate -- and there is no event of organized sexual abuse of children that has taken place in the past or relatively recently where the "church" is not involved.
Especially the Satanic elements where it is organized patriarchal religion (male-supremacist religion) which introduced Satan/Devil and Heaven and Hell into their religion. Organized patriarchal religion also underpins patriarchy. ** One cannot exist without the other.** Support for organized religion is falling all over the world which makes clear that unless protected by the sword, the cross will fall.
PP is under constant surveillance by the Congress -- long has been as the GOP has been very anxious to cut and destroy it's Federal funding. If something has been found, let Congress present the evidence.
sore_ass_losers ago
'there is no event of organized sexual abuse of children that has taken place in the past or relatively recently where the "church" is not involved'
Complete bullshit.
"If something has been found, let Congress present the evidence."
They did, see the Breitbart article I posted above, which has links to the reports, which you completely ignored.
"anything based on the faked videos"
I posted the results of an independent Congressional investigation. You ignore that completely and rave on about the 'fake' video.
I looked for an "abortion" subverse on voat for your rants; how about "v/whatever".
Votescam ago
Re both of your replies -- If you are not an anti-abortion fanatic, then my apologies. However, that is where the attacks on Planned Parenthood generally rise - with the right wing. The GOP Congress has been trying to defund PP since long before the faked video. They have no credibility because of their attempts to overturn Roe vs Wade and certainly aren't impartial by any means in regard to PP. So -- Congressional investigation is meaningless. Just as Warren Report was. Independent Congressional investigation? You're daydreaming.
Now -- again -- IF Planned Parenthood is doing something they shouldn't be doing, then let the states investigate and report that information to the public/DOJ so that it can be seen and judged. And I'm not talking about more faked videos.
Fortunately, Americans are leaving organized patriarchal religion and RCC in droves and this has been going on over 40 and more years. And it's happening all over the world. The history of the church is being re-examined and put out there for the public to read and decide for themselves. And, whether Belgium, or Canada, or Ireland -- or any other place where the RCC has been been involved worldwide -- there are scandals old and new having to do with children, profiting from institutionalizing children, and from selling of children. There's information on this all over the internet - Also see recent movies on RCC: "Magdalene Laundries" and "Philomena" from which you can get a glimmer of what has been happening. If you recall the very beginnings of this nation - genocide vs Native Americans -- you will note the involvement of RCC in "Church schools" set up by our government and the kidnappings and abuse of children and murdering of children in those schools. (Mormon church was also involved)
"When they came we had the land and they had the book. When they left we had the book and they had the land."
Obviously as far as the history of organized patriarchal religion, the Old Testament was written to cement patriarchy. All male-supremacist religions underpin patriarchy. This is what the figure "Jesus" was voicing in part -- the lies of the Old Testament.