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Votescam ago

Ying/Yang -- Ignore my message as I did find the video in a Q&A that was "hidden."

Here's the TEXT, but once again we see that almost every effort produces many more questions and thus it is so in trying to provide TEXT of this video -- and I'll explain that below.

Meanwhile, HERE is the TEXT of the Grandparents of the Hampstead children -- obviously also the parents of the Mother of the children.

OK ... unfortunately, most of it is in Russian and not translated -- and we might ask WHY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJB4pnHiazo

The closed caption is in Russian --

Here's some text --

Interview with the Russian grandparents of the Hampstead Children in February 2015 ...

They are Ludmilla and Johl/? the Russian parents of the Hampstead Mother and the grandparents of the children.

They are from Rostov, Russia near the Black Sea and not far from the Ukraine.

Obviously they are involved in this case since being here in early December. They came when things became quite acute in the Family Court case, obviously to support their daughter and also to put themselves forward as candidates to be "caretakers" of the children should that become necessary as an alternative to UK state care.

They have been here now for about 3 months and during that time they've had three contacts with their grandchildren: In December they had two visits and in January, one more visit. And it is now February and they were supposed to see the grandchildren again tomorrow, but unfortunately that contact has been cancelled.

So it seems to be a case of dwindling contact.

Another thing has happened since -- the police came to arrest their daughter last week -- and she then felt the need to and managed to escape. She felt she need to leave the jurisdiction. So they are now on their own in the UK, in London and we, in our association, feel quite concerned about them... on a pastoral level as it is obviously a very distressing and stressful situation for them and they care greatly about their grandchildren. Greatly about their daughter and they do not feel happy at all about what is happening in this case. So I thought at least we could get some of their views on the situation and ask them to give us an account of what's been happening because I think the public following the story now need to see the family "in the round" and these grandparents are very much a part of this whole story and hopefully they will eventually be with their grandchildren in Russia.

So I just want to know from them what has happened regarding their experience and being on the edge of this police harassment and security surveillance which has been going on in the last two or three weeks. So then let's start on what's been happening. Grandfather begins to speak in Russian. Interviewer seemingly translating what he said as follows:

So for the past two or three weeks, after you felt that you were under surveillance from outside the house and seemingly from one of the opposite houses with people looking through your windows and blinds and at your front door to see who is coming in and going out and who is arriving, that was obviously quite uncomfortable for you but you tried to ignore it, but then on Thursday evening last week, things took a rather more serious turn as you suddenly had a full blown police officer with ten officers outside the house -- and they came to the front door. Perhaps you can tell us what happened at that point.... Grandfather speaks in Russian again. And then the Grandmother speaks also. (There is also now video being shown of what seems to be police outside the house.) Grandmother is crying at this point and then she continues on.

They seem to be describing banging on the door -- and they asked to see their warrant.

Evidently their lawyer was with them and asked them for their warrant for the arrest that they were about to carry out.

And they didn't have the paper work with them so they were under scrutiny by the whole British public at this point and they couldn't continue with their and they had to withdraw. So it was just as well that the lawyer was on the premises and was able to challenge them on this point.

And in the meantime, as we said, unfortunately tomorrow when the grandparents were to have contact with their grandchildren and sadly that has been cancelled. And this is what concerns them most because they are here to be with their grandchildren and to offer some comfort and hope of release. And in this regard, I picked up from them when we were talking earlier, that they noticed a change in the children between the two times that they saw them in December and how they were in the January contact session in the middle of January. And interviewer asks Ludmilla to try to tell her how the children were different in January as to how they were in December.

(Grandmother is crying by the time they both describe how the children are different now ...)

Interviewer begins to relate what was said:

What these grandparents are saying to the British public is "Please be supporters in our struggle to retrieve our grandchildren where they will be safe, where they have prepared every possible aspect to create a nice life for a child - for their grandchildren growing up. They have a lovely home in a nice part of Russia - there's mountain activity, there is sea activity and there are all sorts of sports and games around in the town. They have a grand piano. They can offer all kinds of after school activities. There is a very good school in the town and they are very confident that they can help the children to recover from their trauma and by keeping them very happy and active - and giving them literally a new life so that the trauma of their childhood will be erased. And this is what they really hope. And the interviewer is now asking how they want to resolve this from now on. Both grandparents speak at times.

(Seemed that at least 5X there was a bleeping of a word or two by the Grandmother.)

The Russian went on it seems where the interviewer might have offered translation

PS: One of the first things that you notice about the interview is that it's being conducted by www.McKenzie-friends.co.uk and that it is very poorly done. There was at least 15 minutes of Russia in two segments where the interviewer never stopped to give us a translation of what was being said.

Obviously, the grandparents were discussing the arrival of police at their daughter's home with the intention of arresting her. We did not hear how she managed to escape but since police didn't have the paperwork with them they couldn't carry out the arrest, fortunately! Meanwhile, the lawyer was at the house and was able to challenge the police in asking for the paper work/warrant.

So we don't get any details of what happened at the home --

and we also don't get any of the much desired details about the well-being of the children, especially since the grandparents at that time seemed to be highly concerned about what was happening to the children still confined by UK/State/Family Courts??

And, I'm sure everyone will notice that they mentioned the "differences" in the children after the December visits when they visited them again in January.

Can this poor a job on the video actually simply be credited to the interviewer not paying attention to what was required?

YingYangMom ago

Thanks, this is a very accurate transcript.

There was at least 15 minutes of Russia in two segments where the interviewer never stopped to give us a translation of what was being said.

Yes, poor job done by the reporter.

Can this poor a job on the video actually simply be credited to the interviewer not paying attention to what was required?

I don't know for sure, if that is the only reason. Could the grandparents have avoided answering the question about the difference in the children's behaviour for fear or reprisal? Could they be restricted by law not to talk about the state of the children or their behaviour (in detail) because the case is still ongoing? Were they threatened? I think these are all possibilities.

Votescam ago

Hi Ying -- Of course it's only an impression, but I got the idea that the grandparents were very anxious to communicate with the public and tell them what was going on. And it was a very specific question and in going back later to check whether I missed anything, I noticed that there was a break in the video at a point where maybe the interviewer should have been taking over to let us know what was being said. Also note that there were probably at least half a dozen times when a "blip" appears over the grandmother's mouth so I'd suggest some kind of censoring occurred. In other words, the grandmother was either saying something that someone didn't want said, or mentioning a name they didn't want mentioned. I don't see that there would be restrictions on them to speak about their visit with their own grandchildren nor the condition of the grandchildren and again it was a very specific question by the interviewer.

Actually, I believe the case has been closed. It only made it to Family Court at any rate -- it was never really investigated as a crime scene described by the children. Police officials have had the children in their care for a period of time after which the children allegedly "recanted" their accusations. But that really isn't true, imo, because they changed their stories very very little -- and their bodies are the best evidence that they were sexually abused over a long period of time. A fact which has largely been ignored by the Family Courts and by investigators. I would suspect the children were threatened, perhaps with harm to the grandparents. Impossible to know. Or to the Mother? But "threats" are certainly the way these people proceed and will proceed.

I did note that "Ella" the Mother had been posting on that thread a year ago and I did leave a message for her asking if she could state if she has confidence in the McKenzie-friend group or whether she could fill in the (or someone else could fill in) the missing English translation of what her parents were actually saying. If I hear anything I will let you know.

But, these grandparents are obviously caring and responsible people who can provide a splendid home for the children and give them a real opportunity to recover from the years of trauma they have suffered, basically since their very earliest years of experiencing sexual assault by their father and others.

There are also rather negative comments about the McKenzie group in other videos I noticed in the area where the Hampstead case is covered on YouTube. Took a quick look but would require more time to look into what is being said about them.

YingYangMom ago

Yes, you're right. I agree on everything and I appreciate the fact that you've messaged the mother to enquire about the censored content and offer to keep me updated. Thank you. It's also worrying to find out that the McKenzie Group could, in reality, be double-agents. If that was true, it would be the ultimate betrayal. How can people pray on helpless people and offer them help, all the while sabotaging these same people's efforts directed at being reunited with their grandchildren? That's beyond me. The only help I can offer are my prayers, and so, I will keep praying for them to be reunited.

Votescam ago

It's just suspicion over things going wrong, somehow and do to comments of others. I really have no idea what the reality of McKenzie is.
We all fight for our cause, but there is something very sickening when deception is used to do harm to women and children. But, I do not know if this is the case. Like you, I will try to hold a good thought that the future of these children may brighten soon.

YingYangMom ago

:)