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Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence
About the Update
Moderator Rules, along with the new Submission Requirements, have been in effect for over a month now, and we have since managed to better understand the requirements and challenges involved in moderating the subverse according to these rules.
Unfortunately, the volume of rule-violating content that gets submitted to the subverse has repeatedly proven to exceed our moderating capacity, even with a generously sized moderator team that is often criticized for its headcount alone. As it became clear that the current Moderator Rules are not economically viable, we needed to find ways to make the moderator team more efficient while still preserving transparency to a reasonable extent. As a result, we're retiring the proactive explanatory moderator comment on deleted submissions in favor of on-demand explanations. Simultaneously, we're introducing a 2-week probation period for new moderators, during which explanatory comments on their deleted submissions will still be required, in order to provide new moderators a means to establish trust in the community.
Accordingly, new Moderator Rules are as follows, effective immediately.
Moderator Rules
(1) Submissions removed by a moderator will specify the following in the Reason field:
- one or more rule numbers referencing the Submission Requirements that have been violated;
- the username of the submitter (for later inspections).
(2) Submissions removed by a moderator on their probation period will, additionally, get a comment that will:
- explain clearly which rule the submission broke;
- explain what the poster needs to add/fix to resubmit or suggest an alternate subverse in the network to post it to;
- provide a hotlink to the suggested subverse;
- be distinguished as a moderator comment.
(3) Comments are to be off-limits to moderation, with the following exceptions:
- illegal content (CP, direct threats against IRL entities, anything that you could be criminally charged for in US court);
- doxxing;
- adspam;
- copypasta (the moderator will leave the first instance and remove the rest);
- NSFW content (images, etc.) that has not been appropriately labeled as such;
- hyperlinks to malicious URLs.
(4) Moderators are not required to vet submissions based on source quality, however, they can.
- This ensures that moderators have the means to fight planned disinformation.
- When cited sources don't plausibly back the claims, the submission can be considered unsourced.
- When on the fence, the moderator should err on the side of free speech, and let the community self-moderate with votes.
On-Demand Explanations
Users can request a detailed explanation for the removal of any submission. In order to do so, the explanation request needs to:
- be posted as a top-level comment on the deleted submission (for transparency);
- ping at least one moderator (using the @ sign);
- be specific and demonstrate a prior understanding of the rules cited as the reason of removal, requesting information beyond what the Submission Requirements already provide.
Examples for specificity on a submission removed per rule 1:
- "Why has this been removed?" ✘
- "This is related to Pizzagate, why has this been removed?" ✘
- "@wecanhelp, I think my post complies with rule 1 as it is about the Clinton family, and I'm clearly stating that. What am I missing?" ✔
Moderators, regardless of these rules, are still encouraged to be supportive, and make helpful comments on removals where it makes sense and there is a realistic chance of improving a submission that is otherwise investigative in its nature.
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Blacksmith21 ago
Yeah - the problem is the mods forget that there is an empathetic component, a psychological component, and a sociological component to any investigation which a web-based quasi-academic environment (which I appreciate) can strip off a lot of the soft "meta", or whatever the fuck "meta" is - from a more "freeform" style of thread. Not sure if that made sense or not. Some stupid millennial term, I guess.
Anyhow, I like to understand the people, the motivations, the mindset, etc. behind an investigation. It helps to better understand all viewpoints. Some float. Some don't.
wecanhelp ago
For what it's worth, I would like to see some types of meta submissions that the current rules don't allow for, however, nobody has come up with a well-worded rule yet that will allow real quality content but filter out the noise. I think your best bet is sourcing everything that can be sourced, at least to illustrate your points, and focusing on making the post investigative somehow. We moderate against a strict checklist, but we try to be human enough to not remove something like that. If it's on the fence rule-wise, and it's popular with the community, we will more than likely leave it up. Hope that helps.
hels ago
How about a weekly "open thread"? People like me follow and have questions but when the questions come to mind I know I can't ask them on /v/pizzagate since they will be deleted. I want to help and be a part. I know there are other subverses to post questions but they will be seen by few and what if the question was truly worth it? Would enough people see it to make it a research topic or could the downvotes make it a passover?
I want to talk on here but feel like I have nothing to give.
wecanhelp ago
People have made the choice not to subscribe to /v/AskPizzagate despite the encouragement to do so. Just like with money in real life, people on here vote with their subscriptions for what they do and do not want to see. If the majority of the community was interested in question posts, there would be a much larger interest in subs like /v/AskPizzagate. This is just to let you know why general questions are still not considered submission-worthy content on this sub.
Having said that, I like your idea of an "open thread" every once in a while, which is a single submission started by a moderator that doesn't take up a lot of front page real estate, with the activity taking place in the comments. We could do an experiment with the format, and see how popular or useful it is. What do you think, @Millennial_Falcon and @Vindicator?
Millennial_Falcon ago
I like the idea of a weekly general discussion thread. (Not stickied. Just let it get organically voted. That way we can get an idea how much interest there is in such threads). If there proves to be a lot of interest, maybe we could sticky one every other week or something, for a day or so.