The symbolism is interesting and gives a heads up BUT it is not the kind of hard evidence that helps change minds. Rather, this kind of thing invites eye rolling and ridicule from those it is most important to reach - normal, everyday pizzagate skeptics.
Interesting find anyway, I thoroughly appreciate symbolism, but if this was our focus, we'd never make any progress, and this kind of thing can also lead way off track into things like the unhinged accusations fae kitty recently embarrassed this forum with because a guy took a picture of his kid at a farm and a chicken was nearby and etc... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1590595/7781340
If you are trying to say I am "afraid" of the satanist bandwagon as you call it, because you are pointing your finger at me as a satanist, once again you are just plain wrong. I want this effort to not suffer because of you guys and your misdirected efforts.
No no, I do not prove it, I suggested a connection between satanists (child molesting and rituals) and the symbol. I'm not saying you are afriad, are you a lawyer or something cause you are very literal :D No what I meant, was that you don't have to worry about me spreading this to people and saying hey, this is pizzagate satanists are doing it. Now regarding my theory on the podestas, you have it from previous.
but what if I came back to you and said NO you are wrong and I am right.
That's not the way to do things. I am fine if you don't see it, and we can talk about it.
Everything isn't so black and white.
I wish you guys would put your formidable and really top notch symbol reading skills to work dissecting the Heavy Breathing videos - there is NO question those things are evil. We can get you frame by frame breakdowns and you can have a field day there. Let's work together not against each other because every time you post this kind of stuff and think inflexibly it proves satanism, it is going to cause a problem.
I know why you don't want to jump to conclusions on the satanist band wagon, I don't believe podesta and his spook gang are "satanists", but part of a blackmail intelligence operation if anything under the cover of satanist activity for a shocking/trauma effect (especially with christians). So if people are out of line, they will get a "spirit cooking" or if some politician or vip is giving their org. problems same thing happens to them.
So why exactly am I "afraid"? I don't understand what you are saying.
However I will explain again - this kind of stuff leads to things like the fae kitty loose cannon approach of trolling through social media accounts and finding anything that slightly triggers - like this kind of symbol - posting it and accusing wildly as "possible child trafficking". This derails this effort it does not help it. You are intelligent, I know you are, why can you not process this?
I understand what you mean :) I didn't post it here because I believe it to be evidence, and people should not for any case, spread any rant regarding pizzagate, rather they should stop using #pizzagate in their material as it has become a trigger to turn people off - just like conspiracy theorist is a trigger to make people sleep.
This was just an observation I made that I wanted to share with the other researchers.
When you toss these breadcrumbs out, your crew picks them up, trolls around until they find something faintly similar then the accusations fly. That is basically the definition of a witch hunt.
Use your symbols as leads not evidence. Go deeper than - hey this guy has a weird symbol on his Tshirt. Use your skills to look into their arrest recotds, real estate holdings and job history, assosciations, etc and see if there is actually anything there. The symbols alone are not enough. Thanks for listening. And coach your crew. Misused effort is worse than no effort at all.
Of course, you are right, we need evidence or better circumstantial evidence. Most successful prosecutions rely greatly on circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence often has an advantage over direct evidence because it is more difficult to suppress or fabricate. Circumstantial evidence is more persuasive than direct evidence.
It's very difficult to fake several strands of circumstantial evidence unless you are a genious or have large ammounts of people helping you.
Circumstantial evidence is based on reasoning and inference-drawing through probability. The judge must apply his brains ( mostly non- existent ) , logic, common sense perception, and experience to the evidence.
They must consider the inherent probabilities and improbabilities, frequently eliminating the possibility of coincidence. So even circumstantial evidence can provide enough strands to create a rope and hang a man.
Mostly I just want to work together, but it has to be on reasonable terms, and if someone says to one of yours - no, this is a common symbol, you need to be able to accept that that is quite possible. I know you are going to consider what I am about to say "condescending" but it isn't. I want to say that I have seen improvement and more restraint and understanding in general. There is a learning curve when dealing with another "culture" including what is acceptable in admittedly somewhat luciferian saturated American society these days (just look at what is on tv, I agree about that stuff).
tl:dr quite a few very nice people wear heavy metal tshirts and satanist symbols and don't think a thing about them, and don't ahve anything to do with dark arts or satanism. You have to learn to discern between these people and the real ones hiding.
Yes, they are the sheep, the deep shit is on a higher governing level. It's almost impossible not to be in touch with these symbols today like you say, even I thought satanits were kind of cool when I was a teenager. At least for a short while.
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VieBleu ago
downvoated.
The symbolism is interesting and gives a heads up BUT it is not the kind of hard evidence that helps change minds. Rather, this kind of thing invites eye rolling and ridicule from those it is most important to reach - normal, everyday pizzagate skeptics.
Interesting find anyway, I thoroughly appreciate symbolism, but if this was our focus, we'd never make any progress, and this kind of thing can also lead way off track into things like the unhinged accusations fae kitty recently embarrassed this forum with because a guy took a picture of his kid at a farm and a chicken was nearby and etc... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1590595/7781340
Counter argument: The atom symbol looks as much like the sign as what the OP posted. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Popular_culture_atom_symbol.svg An atom symbol is not satanic.
istalkezwhoa ago
It doesn't look anything like it, also, satanists like podestas wife are known to use this symbol and abuse children.
VieBleu ago
"satanists like podestas wife are known to use this symbol and abuse children."
If you can prove this, there would be an open and shut case. I would like to see the proof on this. Otherwise it is just your assertion.
I wrote the post on Podesta's wife and mother, and POSSIBLE satanic connections - do you remember it? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1565573
If you are trying to say I am "afraid" of the satanist bandwagon as you call it, because you are pointing your finger at me as a satanist, once again you are just plain wrong. I want this effort to not suffer because of you guys and your misdirected efforts.
istalkezwhoa ago
No no, I do not prove it, I suggested a connection between satanists (child molesting and rituals) and the symbol. I'm not saying you are afriad, are you a lawyer or something cause you are very literal :D No what I meant, was that you don't have to worry about me spreading this to people and saying hey, this is pizzagate satanists are doing it. Now regarding my theory on the podestas, you have it from previous.
VieBleu ago
lol no not a lawyer but I have been accused of being too literal before - guilty! : )
istalkezwhoa ago
My next guess would be teacher, programmer or writer. :D hehe. You don't have to reply to that.
VieBleu ago
I wish I were a programmer - we'd have another site to work on so fast.
istalkezwhoa ago
We are living in very interesting times.
VieBleu ago
and we need our alliances to work, to make them "less interesting" : )
VieBleu ago
The atom symbol looks as much like the sign as what you posted actually.
istalkezwhoa ago
I don't see that it is, it's curved.
VieBleu ago
but what if I came back to you and said NO you are wrong and I am right.
That's not the way to do things. I am fine if you don't see it, and we can talk about it.
Everything isn't so black and white.
I wish you guys would put your formidable and really top notch symbol reading skills to work dissecting the Heavy Breathing videos - there is NO question those things are evil. We can get you frame by frame breakdowns and you can have a field day there. Let's work together not against each other because every time you post this kind of stuff and think inflexibly it proves satanism, it is going to cause a problem.
istalkezwhoa ago
Ok, I'm gonna leave this here, I said I appreciate everyones opinion.
VieBleu ago
fair enough. LIke I said I appreciate symbols as much as the person, seriously.
istalkezwhoa ago
I know why you don't want to jump to conclusions on the satanist band wagon, I don't believe podesta and his spook gang are "satanists", but part of a blackmail intelligence operation if anything under the cover of satanist activity for a shocking/trauma effect (especially with christians). So if people are out of line, they will get a "spirit cooking" or if some politician or vip is giving their org. problems same thing happens to them.
VieBleu ago
So why exactly am I "afraid"? I don't understand what you are saying.
However I will explain again - this kind of stuff leads to things like the fae kitty loose cannon approach of trolling through social media accounts and finding anything that slightly triggers - like this kind of symbol - posting it and accusing wildly as "possible child trafficking". This derails this effort it does not help it. You are intelligent, I know you are, why can you not process this?
istalkezwhoa ago
I understand what you mean :) I didn't post it here because I believe it to be evidence, and people should not for any case, spread any rant regarding pizzagate, rather they should stop using #pizzagate in their material as it has become a trigger to turn people off - just like conspiracy theorist is a trigger to make people sleep.
This was just an observation I made that I wanted to share with the other researchers.
VieBleu ago
When you toss these breadcrumbs out, your crew picks them up, trolls around until they find something faintly similar then the accusations fly. That is basically the definition of a witch hunt.
Use your symbols as leads not evidence. Go deeper than - hey this guy has a weird symbol on his Tshirt. Use your skills to look into their arrest recotds, real estate holdings and job history, assosciations, etc and see if there is actually anything there. The symbols alone are not enough. Thanks for listening. And coach your crew. Misused effort is worse than no effort at all.
istalkezwhoa ago
Of course, you are right, we need evidence or better circumstantial evidence. Most successful prosecutions rely greatly on circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence often has an advantage over direct evidence because it is more difficult to suppress or fabricate. Circumstantial evidence is more persuasive than direct evidence.
It's very difficult to fake several strands of circumstantial evidence unless you are a genious or have large ammounts of people helping you.
Circumstantial evidence is based on reasoning and inference-drawing through probability. The judge must apply his brains ( mostly non- existent ) , logic, common sense perception, and experience to the evidence.
They must consider the inherent probabilities and improbabilities, frequently eliminating the possibility of coincidence. So even circumstantial evidence can provide enough strands to create a rope and hang a man.
VieBleu ago
Mostly I just want to work together, but it has to be on reasonable terms, and if someone says to one of yours - no, this is a common symbol, you need to be able to accept that that is quite possible. I know you are going to consider what I am about to say "condescending" but it isn't. I want to say that I have seen improvement and more restraint and understanding in general. There is a learning curve when dealing with another "culture" including what is acceptable in admittedly somewhat luciferian saturated American society these days (just look at what is on tv, I agree about that stuff).
tl:dr quite a few very nice people wear heavy metal tshirts and satanist symbols and don't think a thing about them, and don't ahve anything to do with dark arts or satanism. You have to learn to discern between these people and the real ones hiding.
istalkezwhoa ago
Yes, they are the sheep, the deep shit is on a higher governing level. It's almost impossible not to be in touch with these symbols today like you say, even I thought satanits were kind of cool when I was a teenager. At least for a short while.