Reasoning:
It's hard enough to keep up with the flood of posts coming in and all the requests for intervention.
Complaints about moderation in the main sub is an easy step to facilitate drama, distractions and forum slide.
Complaints in the main sub are also a technique used to create tension and division amongst moderation teams for the purpose of instilling take over shills.
Creating methods of increasing moderator burnout is also a goal of infiltrators and disruptors, making this job so hard that people quit is the fast way to gain control of a sub.
this is like your state legislators sending you to another, way smaller, state to complain about them
False analogy, by reasoning that the best way to get the attention of the moderator team in a public, open and transparent manner is to call them out in a sub that is populated by an audience that specifically wants to pay attention to those topics.
It's like being told to leave a state full of people of mixed interests to go to a state full of people specifically interested in what you have to say.
Subscriber counts don't equate to much when the context of why someone subscribes.
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I'm assuming other mods are deliberating on whether deleting this post is a good idea.
For now I propose leaving it up, but subsequent threads that incite drama or distraction be removed with a request for submission in the appropriate verse.
There may be value in a 'drama day' where posts like this are permitted, but would take a concerted effort of the mod team to facilitate and manage.
Since you are like the king mod, I have a question. Will you guys change this rule if/when the community decides they want it changed?
BTW I forgot about the ad hominem "drama" label and gave you the upvote I promised. This isn't about drama, this is about a real concern for the moderation in this community.
Will you guys change this rule if/when the community decides they want it changed?
Yes.
the community decides
Key factor, the community must be a clear majority, not 5 or 6 members on a single thread.
For this to be effective a full post with the proposed rule change written/edited within that thread.
This isn't about drama, this is about a real concern for the moderation in this community.
I do understand that is your perspective and understanding of this.
I request you consider the position of others, 'drama' is thrown around easily as a dismissal of issues, but it is also an issue when people simply start constantly screeching in a forum and drive others away who don't want to see drama everyday.
I've never complained about a thread of mine getting deleted, before today and I expected that to get deleted. This one too, thanks for at least listening and not just deleting it. I've complained about other peoples threads getting deleted a few times because they had good info in them that need more connections. I've been here since r/pizzagate closed, so I don't feel at all like I'm the drama starter you're accusing me of being. I think a majority of the community feels this way or I would have never suggested it. We shall see.
I don't feel at all like I'm the drama starter you're accusing me of being
If I accuse you of a thing it will be direct and clear.
I'm not accusing you of drama, I am expressing concern over others using this as an excuse to cause drama.
For this to be effective a full post with the proposed rule change written/edited within that thread.
I know you're already against it but posting it in the requested sub is probably the best way forward at this time.
After, if the rule changes threads like this won't get deleted.
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VictorSteinerDavion ago
No.
Reasoning:
It's hard enough to keep up with the flood of posts coming in and all the requests for intervention.
Complaints about moderation in the main sub is an easy step to facilitate drama, distractions and forum slide.
Complaints in the main sub are also a technique used to create tension and division amongst moderation teams for the purpose of instilling take over shills.
Creating methods of increasing moderator burnout is also a goal of infiltrators and disruptors, making this job so hard that people quit is the fast way to gain control of a sub.
False analogy, by reasoning that the best way to get the attention of the moderator team in a public, open and transparent manner is to call them out in a sub that is populated by an audience that specifically wants to pay attention to those topics.
It's like being told to leave a state full of people of mixed interests to go to a state full of people specifically interested in what you have to say.
Subscriber counts don't equate to much when the context of why someone subscribes.
__
I'm assuming other mods are deliberating on whether deleting this post is a good idea.
For now I propose leaving it up, but subsequent threads that incite drama or distraction be removed with a request for submission in the appropriate verse.
There may be value in a 'drama day' where posts like this are permitted, but would take a concerted effort of the mod team to facilitate and manage.
ThePuppetShow ago
Since you are like the king mod, I have a question. Will you guys change this rule if/when the community decides they want it changed?
BTW I forgot about the ad hominem "drama" label and gave you the upvote I promised. This isn't about drama, this is about a real concern for the moderation in this community.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Yes.
Key factor, the community must be a clear majority, not 5 or 6 members on a single thread.
For this to be effective a full post with the proposed rule change written/edited within that thread.
I do understand that is your perspective and understanding of this.
I request you consider the position of others, 'drama' is thrown around easily as a dismissal of issues, but it is also an issue when people simply start constantly screeching in a forum and drive others away who don't want to see drama everyday.
ThePuppetShow ago
I understand. Thank you for the response.
I've never complained about a thread of mine getting deleted, before today and I expected that to get deleted. This one too, thanks for at least listening and not just deleting it. I've complained about other peoples threads getting deleted a few times because they had good info in them that need more connections. I've been here since r/pizzagate closed, so I don't feel at all like I'm the drama starter you're accusing me of being. I think a majority of the community feels this way or I would have never suggested it. We shall see.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
If I accuse you of a thing it will be direct and clear.
I'm not accusing you of drama, I am expressing concern over others using this as an excuse to cause drama.
ThePuppetShow ago
How can we get a full vote if the mods wont leave the thread open long enough to accomplish that?
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I know you're already against it but posting it in the requested sub is probably the best way forward at this time.
After, if the rule changes threads like this won't get deleted.
ThePuppetShow ago
There's no way possible to get the numbers needed in that sub without x posting here. You don't see the problem with this?
ThePuppetShow ago
Fair enough. That downvote wasn't me, but you know that.