Where the fuck is this investigation going? Do you KNOW any kids that go to a Waldorf school? Generally, the most balanced, polite, intelligent children I've seen coming out of any educational system, with parents that seem to want that to be the case. Yes, there is a mystical core, but not all of the occult is satanic. That's why it's specifically called SATANISM. So Alephantis is apparently involved with this specific school... That should obviously ring alarm bells if true, but if you condemn all Waldorf schools in the hopes of creating a backlash towards them, you are playing into the hands of the Satanists that want the truly corrupt "educational" systems to remain operating. Research the shit out of this before judging.
You say "there is a mystical core, but not all of the occult is satanic." I don't care how polite and balanced a kid could seem. Anything for children of the occult is bad. I can't believe you are defending this.
If you were informed you'd understand. I don't need to defend the side that want to see children flourish rather than be abused. The witches were burned by the male dominated, child abusing church for a reason. They were the wise women/shamanic cornerstone of each community. I suggest to try and defend the system we currently have, and you'll see that the dark side are very much in power.
I don't like the liberal public school systems or their teaching evolution either. I think they should butt out and stop pushing their views too..stop confusing our kids and their sexuality by pushing LGBT community and giving them safe spaces to go cry if they hear a trigger word. But I would not want my child to have anything to do with the occult. As corrupt as our world is, I can see why so many people are turning to home schooling.
I can understand. There's a lot of fear from the occult, and rightly so because of some practitioners engaging in black magic as well as the disinfo. However, there is the white side too that venerates the feminine mother earth and ALL her children, it is called wicca among other things (the pentagram faces upward towards the divine rather than the satanic towards solely material gratification). I can't speak for them all, but the Waldorf is closer to Wicca. I agree with you on everything else you mentioned, there is a concerted effort to fuck with us and ours on pretty much every level, but some occultists are fighting for what's just on the hidden (occult) level also.
Well thank you for understanding. I'm a Christian so I have a hard time with the occult. I used to be a paranormal investigator (not anymore). The leaders of my team were Wiccan. After they whipped out an out an Ouija board and called on spirits I was done. That was several years ago. I got some good EVP that night tho! But I stopped doing all of that tho.
I believe in Christ and his message too. I'm sure we share exactly the same values but under a different name. Unfortunately some Wiccans like the mistique of being a "witch" more than giving it the respect it is due.... The Ouija board is not something to be toyed with, if used at all. There is no sure way of determining who or what you are invoking, and we have enough demons running amuck as it is. Sounds very phantastic, but it does seem to be the case. All the best :)
We have been inundated with misinfo posts- must be a lot of CTR came back from holidays and got down to work. This is an example, connected Alefantis to something reasonable and denouce it. Makes the investigation look dubious. Get used to using your down voat all the time please.
I spent a while in Sweden, and live in a progressive (kind of a loaded term nowerdays) part of the country. How many of them drunk the coolaid in terms of politics recently annoys the fuck out of me, but they are good people overall, with good kids, and want the best for humanity and the planet.
Sweden indoctrination or celebration? Shit is really fucked up there. Arrogant elite occult flaunts this crap for the world to see. They have no repercussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVw_mPvYcDM
I know about that ceremony. There are two main antagonistic forces. This thread is about Wardorf schools, not the obvious Satanism in every western nation, and some further afield. You are saying that Watdorf is satanic because there is a proportionately large amount of wardorf schools there and this link is meant to confirm a connection? It is an argument, yours is uninformed, and reeks of confirmation bias... FYI. I'm not going to piss in the wind trying to convince you.
Nope, you're reading way more into my reply. And you seem really defensive. To clarify, I thought you were seeing sweden through rose colored glasses when you were so quick to defend waldorf. I was attempting to show you how fucked up swedes have become when they pay for occultism, in the open. The vague connection being that if the government is so open about Lucifer, then how could anyone be surprised a private school with direct ties isn't.
Not sure what you are trying to convince me of, perhaps that the OP was wrong. The OP links are factual and your response is that you know nice waldorf parents and children. And you seem quick to defend. Its not personal at all to me.
It isn't personal to me, there is a certain amount of frustration that comes with defending a subject that is complex to people who apparently have it all figured out I will admit. But Im calm, im collected, comfortable in my position, and I aint buying into your pseudo high ground. This thread is dead for good reason. Quit wasting both our time.
Not a fanatic. Just seeking truth without dogma or confirmation bias. I want to see the best for all forms of life/God, no matter what lables are attached. And currently the end of the influence the Satanic abusers have on society.
Look dude.. The Apex of all spiritualism leads to one place. Gnosticism, Thelema, Kaballah.. The same place. This "Light" you speak of is Dark Light aka an "angel of light". Podesta is Gnostic.. These schools are gnostic. This shit fits like a glove.
Look dude! Educate yourself on this stuff a little more, if you want to truly beat them you have to know your enemy, otherwise the abuse of children continues, once you do so, you will learn that there is and has been a war going on for a very long time, and not all the labels you just spouted belong to the bad guys. Why do you think they engage in this shit and are successful?? Both politically and monetarialy? Why yes, cus it has power that's why. Power in itself isn't bad, it is what it's used for that matters. By all means remain ignorant, but by doing so you point your finger at those who are a force for good as well as evil.
I did do research, I was considering enrolling my children in the system. I'm glad I did do research and talked to other parents, because they are not what you and others are claiming to be. I won't say that all of them are bad, I'm sure some of them are fine. But you also cannot deny that it has very racist and occult roots, many that still persist in their philosophy of teaching.
The only way I can really describe Anthroposophy is as an esoteric crypto-religious organisation based on a mystical and racist view of humanity and an astrological and clairvoyant view of understanding science. Anthroposophy is full of barmpot ideas, such as the literal existence of gnomes, that the British Isles floats on the sea, homeopathy works, and burning mice ritually will protect your crops from them. Oh, and if you are good, you will be reincarnated as an Northern European Ayrian. And its adherents either don’t want to know this themselves and most definitely do not want you to know this. Should its fundamental beliefs and aims become common knowledge then it would cause all sorts of problems, not least for Gove’s new free Steiner Schools*. Adherents deny and spread disingenuous misinformation in order to soften criticism.
I disagree. When I was looking for schools to enroll my children in, I looked into Waldorf schools, there is much criticism of it being "cult like" and having racist and Nazi roots. I suggest you do some reading. Knowing a few people who went there and turned out okay doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there are some Waldorf schools that are okay, but to deny the roots and foundation of this education is dishonest.
The only way I can really describe Anthroposophy is as an esoteric crypto-religious organisation based on a mystical and racist view of humanity and an astrological and clairvoyant view of understanding science. Anthroposophy is full of barmpot ideas, such as the literal existence of gnomes, that the British Isles floats on the sea, homeopathy works, and burning mice ritually will protect your crops from them. Oh, and if you are good, you will be reincarnated as an Northern European Ayrian. And its adherents either don’t want to know this themselves and most definitely do not want you to know this. Should its fundamental beliefs and aims become common knowledge then it would cause all sorts of problems, not least for Gove’s new free Steiner Schools*. Adherents deny and spread disingenuous misinformation in order to soften criticism.
You should know that whilst Steiner and his followers may believe certain things, the children are taught none of that. The children are not indoctrinated.
Every movement attracts some nut jobs (not that everything that can not be explained conventially is wrong). Take any group, whether it be religious, political, financial whatever and you can find ways of making the entire organisation look crazy if you have confirmation bias. I never heard any of those I know who attended say "yeah, great day we had, got to burn a mouse for science class".
Read the articles, they have obviously adapted and changed since the Nazi era, but they still, at their core, believe and do crazy shit. The whole reason I even looked up information on them was because the website of our local Waldorf school had a very vague and evasive website, and leaving out important information (never stating that they were secular or religious, for example). I found out this was a common practice and complaint from parents who went into the system believing it was a secular curriculum, only to find out later it wasn't and that they believe in fairies and karma, as well as using very white washed version of history.
I will look into the white supremacist stuff. However I believe in the holy ghost, and I believe in it's activity in nature (nature spirits, faries are differences in cultural nomenclature). I also believe in karma, hence why a) people are finding out about the presence of Satanism in our society, and b) starting to do something about it. Its right for you to be suspicious of things that cannot be quantified or experienced in our nuts and bolts physical reality, but by their deeds you shall know them, did you talk to any of the kids? Remember every organisation can and possibly has been infiltrated, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
it's not satanic but it's a sect
I first wanted my children to go to steiner-waldorf school, it seems good to me. I went and i saw. Some fucking occult teaching with a huge amount of occult symbols that parents don't understand. I went to open doors, i was pleased. But then I have found later that the way of teaching is really really strict to the steiner things, some occults rubbish.
Every single drawing or symbol they do have an occult signification. They NEVER explain why they teach some curious things like elves, infinite eight, why they paint all with gold (gold=god) etc. They fool People.
AND it's also well known that teachers have often love with their underage pupils.
First off, I would send my child to a Waldorf school before I would ANY public school in the US. Try actually reading some Steiner and Anthroposophy before you try connecting his philosophy to Pgate. You're discrediting actual pgate researchers by spreading this BS. And PLEASE stop throwing the word 'occult' around like it's a bad word, it's not. Occult simply means hidden, unseen.
I agree dmtlsd. Occult has nothing to with evil or good -it is only hidden knowledge that may be (and is) used to either end. It is like a hidden science that can be leveraged in an infinite number of ways, aligned with an infinite number of belief systems, and found in virtually all organized systems of religion. Consider that many things once held as sacred secrets of ancient sciences are now freely available on YouTube for the uninitiated to watch. Times have changed, and in recent times the change has accelerated immensely. Much of what was once 'hidden' (occult) is now common knowledge or common sense. Do not confuse occultism, which is itself as a pocket knife, with the same harm such a tool could inflict if wielded by an ignorant person. Occult sciences are simply the sciences of THE WAY THINGS ARE. Not how they seem, not what we believe, not what we hope, not what they look like today from such-and-such an angle, but that which is. All these back and forths on occultism, etc are derailing the focus of exposing large scale criminal organizations that endanger our children. Posts like this are high on certainty and low on facts to back it up. People too g*ddamn sure they are right (not referring to anyone specifically, just a trend I keep noticing) while meanwhile the truth flutters in the breeze. You can't learn a damn thing if you already know. Sorry if that sounds angry it's just so damn frustrating to watch.
Firstly, symbols surround us, it is the intent behind them that holds significance. Arrows-phalic will, the christian cross-spiritual (vertical), physical (horizontal). If you want to war against symbols you'll have to stop using the alphabet, numbers etc. Have you ever blown out candles on a birthday cake and made a wish? That is a spell my friend. Again, the "occult" in itself isn't bad, it is the intent behind it that matters.
Secondly..well known? It is well known that there are sometimes people who shouldn't be teaching in all the institutions, I would be naïve to believe that they don't find there way into Waldorf schools, they will do what they have to, you on the other hand would be naïve to believe that just because you don't understand them, that they are involved in abuse. Again, how do the kids turn out? In my experience they are more together than those coming from mainstream society with media teaching them what the media teaches, and the school systems accepting it.
No, but I hung around people in Sweden that went... Smart, balanced people. My boss's kids go to a school with similar curriculum, guess what.. He's concerned by his daughters exposure to the mainstream media that is oversexualising children. Again, I don't know about the apparent Alephantis linked school, but liking him with the positions of Waldorf is plainly uninformed.
Well like everything pizzagate related, it should be properly researched. Shouting Occult etc. Like it has anything to do with satanism, is damaging to people who are spiritual in ways that some don't understand, but who also want the best for their kids, other peoples kids, and the health/happiness of the planet in general.
Are you pointing a finger at the waldorf school or the fed? State schools are paid for by TAXES, Waldorf are not. Rich people send their kids to ivy league/private. Waldorf parents from my experience make it work because of the track record in teaching things they value. I thought this thread was about abuse, not finance.
Edit: To reply to your accusation of me being elitist: No, I believe myself to be more informed than you, and I'm letting you know.... How much do the running costs of a school that's not state supported come to? Your accusation of me being elitist is ridiculous, and again off topic.
Yes, I'm afraid this one is a red herring. Rudolf Steiner schools are very popular in Switzerland and other European countries. Known for their progressive education, it may be unconventional for some. But certainly not sinister. Steiner was a deeply spiritual man who was very interested in Gnosticism and believed in a holistic education. Interesting though that Comet Ping Pong donated to the school as Alefantis says that he doesn't like children.
We are inundated with weird bad posts like this one. Spam posts with all kinds of go nowhere links denouncing everything from Helen of Troy to the Mediterannean Sea! please use your down voat a lot.
It was rather obvious from those texts that the two were talking past each other. Alefantis statement could quite easily have been interpreted as saying he's not into children sexually. The more damaging, less often quoted part of that exchange was where Alefantis stated that everything people were saying about him was true. That statement is a lot harder to dismiss and raises a lot more questions than him simply not liking children.
Right. Gnosticism has it's bad apples also, like any religion, but overall it was far more in line with Christ than what followed him. Steiner was a good man, who wanted to see positive change it seems to me.
There's a link to the Rothschild's as well : http://danielhindes.com/blog/archives/2005/07/
I'm not afraid of links. Its arguable that Orwell was from a dodgy bloodline too, but the masses are definitely more informed because of his work. You can bring "links" to the table all day, but its the end product that should be focussed on. Like I said, the people I KNOW who have come from, or are involved in these schools, have not come from an environment of abuse, on the contrary they are conscientious human beings that care about humanity and our planet. People are becoming more aware of the satanists and where they hide, and the main indicators are their DEEDS, not associations.
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postfascion ago
Where the fuck is this investigation going? Do you KNOW any kids that go to a Waldorf school? Generally, the most balanced, polite, intelligent children I've seen coming out of any educational system, with parents that seem to want that to be the case. Yes, there is a mystical core, but not all of the occult is satanic. That's why it's specifically called SATANISM. So Alephantis is apparently involved with this specific school... That should obviously ring alarm bells if true, but if you condemn all Waldorf schools in the hopes of creating a backlash towards them, you are playing into the hands of the Satanists that want the truly corrupt "educational" systems to remain operating. Research the shit out of this before judging.
srayzie ago
You say "there is a mystical core, but not all of the occult is satanic." I don't care how polite and balanced a kid could seem. Anything for children of the occult is bad. I can't believe you are defending this.
postfascion ago
If you were informed you'd understand. I don't need to defend the side that want to see children flourish rather than be abused. The witches were burned by the male dominated, child abusing church for a reason. They were the wise women/shamanic cornerstone of each community. I suggest to try and defend the system we currently have, and you'll see that the dark side are very much in power.
srayzie ago
I don't like the liberal public school systems or their teaching evolution either. I think they should butt out and stop pushing their views too..stop confusing our kids and their sexuality by pushing LGBT community and giving them safe spaces to go cry if they hear a trigger word. But I would not want my child to have anything to do with the occult. As corrupt as our world is, I can see why so many people are turning to home schooling.
postfascion ago
I can understand. There's a lot of fear from the occult, and rightly so because of some practitioners engaging in black magic as well as the disinfo. However, there is the white side too that venerates the feminine mother earth and ALL her children, it is called wicca among other things (the pentagram faces upward towards the divine rather than the satanic towards solely material gratification). I can't speak for them all, but the Waldorf is closer to Wicca. I agree with you on everything else you mentioned, there is a concerted effort to fuck with us and ours on pretty much every level, but some occultists are fighting for what's just on the hidden (occult) level also.
srayzie ago
Well thank you for understanding. I'm a Christian so I have a hard time with the occult. I used to be a paranormal investigator (not anymore). The leaders of my team were Wiccan. After they whipped out an out an Ouija board and called on spirits I was done. That was several years ago. I got some good EVP that night tho! But I stopped doing all of that tho.
postfascion ago
I believe in Christ and his message too. I'm sure we share exactly the same values but under a different name. Unfortunately some Wiccans like the mistique of being a "witch" more than giving it the respect it is due.... The Ouija board is not something to be toyed with, if used at all. There is no sure way of determining who or what you are invoking, and we have enough demons running amuck as it is. Sounds very phantastic, but it does seem to be the case. All the best :)
srayzie ago
Thanks. You too :)
VieBleu ago
We have been inundated with misinfo posts- must be a lot of CTR came back from holidays and got down to work. This is an example, connected Alefantis to something reasonable and denouce it. Makes the investigation look dubious. Get used to using your down voat all the time please.
postfascion ago
Am doing, thanks. Staying on topic is Paramount (I say that having spent half the day trying to clarify this shit to people).
VieBleu ago
this too will pass.
postfascion ago
It will. You're right, thankyou.
EyeOfHorus ago
How many Waldorf parents and children do you know? You imply its many. Why do you know so many?
postfascion ago
I spent a while in Sweden, and live in a progressive (kind of a loaded term nowerdays) part of the country. How many of them drunk the coolaid in terms of politics recently annoys the fuck out of me, but they are good people overall, with good kids, and want the best for humanity and the planet.
EyeOfHorus ago
Sweden indoctrination or celebration? Shit is really fucked up there. Arrogant elite occult flaunts this crap for the world to see. They have no repercussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVw_mPvYcDM
postfascion ago
I haven't the time to start arguing again. If you're interested in my perspective read my posts above. You are partly right, but partly wrong.
EyeOfHorus ago
I'm not arguing. I gave you a link to the swedes government sanctioned occult. There is really nothing to argue about, merely a FYI .
postfascion ago
I know about that ceremony. There are two main antagonistic forces. This thread is about Wardorf schools, not the obvious Satanism in every western nation, and some further afield. You are saying that Watdorf is satanic because there is a proportionately large amount of wardorf schools there and this link is meant to confirm a connection? It is an argument, yours is uninformed, and reeks of confirmation bias... FYI. I'm not going to piss in the wind trying to convince you.
EyeOfHorus ago
Nope, you're reading way more into my reply. And you seem really defensive. To clarify, I thought you were seeing sweden through rose colored glasses when you were so quick to defend waldorf. I was attempting to show you how fucked up swedes have become when they pay for occultism, in the open. The vague connection being that if the government is so open about Lucifer, then how could anyone be surprised a private school with direct ties isn't.
Not sure what you are trying to convince me of, perhaps that the OP was wrong. The OP links are factual and your response is that you know nice waldorf parents and children. And you seem quick to defend. Its not personal at all to me.
postfascion ago
It isn't personal to me, there is a certain amount of frustration that comes with defending a subject that is complex to people who apparently have it all figured out I will admit. But Im calm, im collected, comfortable in my position, and I aint buying into your pseudo high ground. This thread is dead for good reason. Quit wasting both our time.
EyeOfHorus ago
What are you defending? You come across like a waldorf steiner anthroposophy fanatic.
postfascion ago
Not a fanatic. Just seeking truth without dogma or confirmation bias. I want to see the best for all forms of life/God, no matter what lables are attached. And currently the end of the influence the Satanic abusers have on society.
BadGuacamoleTV ago
Look dude.. The Apex of all spiritualism leads to one place. Gnosticism, Thelema, Kaballah.. The same place. This "Light" you speak of is Dark Light aka an "angel of light". Podesta is Gnostic.. These schools are gnostic. This shit fits like a glove.
postfascion ago
Look dude! Educate yourself on this stuff a little more, if you want to truly beat them you have to know your enemy, otherwise the abuse of children continues, once you do so, you will learn that there is and has been a war going on for a very long time, and not all the labels you just spouted belong to the bad guys. Why do you think they engage in this shit and are successful?? Both politically and monetarialy? Why yes, cus it has power that's why. Power in itself isn't bad, it is what it's used for that matters. By all means remain ignorant, but by doing so you point your finger at those who are a force for good as well as evil.
joey4track ago
Yeah literally everyone I personally know that went to a Waldorf school is an awesome human being.
postfascion ago
Yup, by their deeds you shall know them.
Atlantean120 ago
Do research people, Waldorf schools are way better than most of our pathetic excuses for schools.
ConcernedParent2 ago
I did do research, I was considering enrolling my children in the system. I'm glad I did do research and talked to other parents, because they are not what you and others are claiming to be. I won't say that all of them are bad, I'm sure some of them are fine. But you also cannot deny that it has very racist and occult roots, many that still persist in their philosophy of teaching.
http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/11/what-every-parent-should-know-about-steiner-waldorf-schools.html
http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/07/the-insidious-pervasiveness-of-the-cult-of-rudolf-steiner.html
ConcernedParent2 ago
I disagree. When I was looking for schools to enroll my children in, I looked into Waldorf schools, there is much criticism of it being "cult like" and having racist and Nazi roots. I suggest you do some reading. Knowing a few people who went there and turned out okay doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there are some Waldorf schools that are okay, but to deny the roots and foundation of this education is dishonest.
http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/11/what-every-parent-should-know-about-steiner-waldorf-schools.html
http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/07/the-insidious-pervasiveness-of-the-cult-of-rudolf-steiner.html
Piscina ago
You should know that whilst Steiner and his followers may believe certain things, the children are taught none of that. The children are not indoctrinated.
postfascion ago
Every movement attracts some nut jobs (not that everything that can not be explained conventially is wrong). Take any group, whether it be religious, political, financial whatever and you can find ways of making the entire organisation look crazy if you have confirmation bias. I never heard any of those I know who attended say "yeah, great day we had, got to burn a mouse for science class".
ConcernedParent2 ago
Read the articles, they have obviously adapted and changed since the Nazi era, but they still, at their core, believe and do crazy shit. The whole reason I even looked up information on them was because the website of our local Waldorf school had a very vague and evasive website, and leaving out important information (never stating that they were secular or religious, for example). I found out this was a common practice and complaint from parents who went into the system believing it was a secular curriculum, only to find out later it wasn't and that they believe in fairies and karma, as well as using very white washed version of history.
postfascion ago
I will look into the white supremacist stuff. However I believe in the holy ghost, and I believe in it's activity in nature (nature spirits, faries are differences in cultural nomenclature). I also believe in karma, hence why a) people are finding out about the presence of Satanism in our society, and b) starting to do something about it. Its right for you to be suspicious of things that cannot be quantified or experienced in our nuts and bolts physical reality, but by their deeds you shall know them, did you talk to any of the kids? Remember every organisation can and possibly has been infiltrated, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
1223344556677888 ago
Do you live in DC?
postfascion ago
Hahahaha, no really.
1223344556677888 ago
I'm famous in DC and Rome. The Rothschild speak to me often. Being that we are related.
postfascion ago
Omg. Really? That's wonderful for you! I'm done.
1223344556677888 ago
Enjoy your pretend magic.
postfascion ago
Thanks :) xxxxx
joe_hill ago
Ok
it's not satanic but it's a sect I first wanted my children to go to steiner-waldorf school, it seems good to me. I went and i saw. Some fucking occult teaching with a huge amount of occult symbols that parents don't understand. I went to open doors, i was pleased. But then I have found later that the way of teaching is really really strict to the steiner things, some occults rubbish.
Every single drawing or symbol they do have an occult signification. They NEVER explain why they teach some curious things like elves, infinite eight, why they paint all with gold (gold=god) etc. They fool People.
AND it's also well known that teachers have often love with their underage pupils.
see in french : https://gregoireperra.wordpress.com/
dmtlsd ago
First off, I would send my child to a Waldorf school before I would ANY public school in the US. Try actually reading some Steiner and Anthroposophy before you try connecting his philosophy to Pgate. You're discrediting actual pgate researchers by spreading this BS. And PLEASE stop throwing the word 'occult' around like it's a bad word, it's not. Occult simply means hidden, unseen.
DL4L ago
I agree dmtlsd. Occult has nothing to with evil or good -it is only hidden knowledge that may be (and is) used to either end. It is like a hidden science that can be leveraged in an infinite number of ways, aligned with an infinite number of belief systems, and found in virtually all organized systems of religion. Consider that many things once held as sacred secrets of ancient sciences are now freely available on YouTube for the uninitiated to watch. Times have changed, and in recent times the change has accelerated immensely. Much of what was once 'hidden' (occult) is now common knowledge or common sense. Do not confuse occultism, which is itself as a pocket knife, with the same harm such a tool could inflict if wielded by an ignorant person. Occult sciences are simply the sciences of THE WAY THINGS ARE. Not how they seem, not what we believe, not what we hope, not what they look like today from such-and-such an angle, but that which is. All these back and forths on occultism, etc are derailing the focus of exposing large scale criminal organizations that endanger our children. Posts like this are high on certainty and low on facts to back it up. People too g*ddamn sure they are right (not referring to anyone specifically, just a trend I keep noticing) while meanwhile the truth flutters in the breeze. You can't learn a damn thing if you already know. Sorry if that sounds angry it's just so damn frustrating to watch.
VieBleu ago
seriously, what is wrong with elves?
postfascion ago
I know, humans fear nature and the consciousness that lies behind it.
1223344556677888 ago
That's where you're wrong, I'm not even human.
postfascion ago
Firstly, symbols surround us, it is the intent behind them that holds significance. Arrows-phalic will, the christian cross-spiritual (vertical), physical (horizontal). If you want to war against symbols you'll have to stop using the alphabet, numbers etc. Have you ever blown out candles on a birthday cake and made a wish? That is a spell my friend. Again, the "occult" in itself isn't bad, it is the intent behind it that matters. Secondly..well known? It is well known that there are sometimes people who shouldn't be teaching in all the institutions, I would be naïve to believe that they don't find there way into Waldorf schools, they will do what they have to, you on the other hand would be naïve to believe that just because you don't understand them, that they are involved in abuse. Again, how do the kids turn out? In my experience they are more together than those coming from mainstream society with media teaching them what the media teaches, and the school systems accepting it.
1223344556677888 ago
Did you attend a Waldorf school?
postfascion ago
No, but I hung around people in Sweden that went... Smart, balanced people. My boss's kids go to a school with similar curriculum, guess what.. He's concerned by his daughters exposure to the mainstream media that is oversexualising children. Again, I don't know about the apparent Alephantis linked school, but liking him with the positions of Waldorf is plainly uninformed.
1223344556677888 ago
Oh bra?
1223344556677888 ago
How much does it cost to attend one of these schools?
postfascion ago
Here's the answer, its case specific... Google.com
DopeandDiamonds ago
About 10k a year depending on grade and where you live.
1223344556677888 ago
I see.
1223344556677888 ago
I wasn't judging, I was acting as an aggregate.
postfascion ago
Well like everything pizzagate related, it should be properly researched. Shouting Occult etc. Like it has anything to do with satanism, is damaging to people who are spiritual in ways that some don't understand, but who also want the best for their kids, other peoples kids, and the health/happiness of the planet in general.
1223344556677888 ago
"Some people don't understand"
Would those be the families who cannot afford the entrance fee?
postfascion ago
Are you pointing a finger at the waldorf school or the fed? State schools are paid for by TAXES, Waldorf are not. Rich people send their kids to ivy league/private. Waldorf parents from my experience make it work because of the track record in teaching things they value. I thought this thread was about abuse, not finance. Edit: To reply to your accusation of me being elitist: No, I believe myself to be more informed than you, and I'm letting you know.... How much do the running costs of a school that's not state supported come to? Your accusation of me being elitist is ridiculous, and again off topic.
1223344556677888 ago
You are coming across as quite elitist.
VieBleu ago
You are coming across as a witchunting shill.
cantsleepawink ago
Yes, I'm afraid this one is a red herring. Rudolf Steiner schools are very popular in Switzerland and other European countries. Known for their progressive education, it may be unconventional for some. But certainly not sinister. Steiner was a deeply spiritual man who was very interested in Gnosticism and believed in a holistic education. Interesting though that Comet Ping Pong donated to the school as Alefantis says that he doesn't like children.
BadGuacamoleTV ago
Podesta is Gnostic... This is all relative, man. Quit your shit.
VieBleu ago
We are inundated with weird bad posts like this one. Spam posts with all kinds of go nowhere links denouncing everything from Helen of Troy to the Mediterannean Sea! please use your down voat a lot.
thestormking ago
It was rather obvious from those texts that the two were talking past each other. Alefantis statement could quite easily have been interpreted as saying he's not into children sexually. The more damaging, less often quoted part of that exchange was where Alefantis stated that everything people were saying about him was true. That statement is a lot harder to dismiss and raises a lot more questions than him simply not liking children.
postfascion ago
Right. Gnosticism has it's bad apples also, like any religion, but overall it was far more in line with Christ than what followed him. Steiner was a good man, who wanted to see positive change it seems to me.
1223344556677888 ago
The Astor family, is that right? Friends with Huxley, yes?
VieBleu ago
and?
postfascion ago
There's a link to the Rothschild's as well : http://danielhindes.com/blog/archives/2005/07/ I'm not afraid of links. Its arguable that Orwell was from a dodgy bloodline too, but the masses are definitely more informed because of his work. You can bring "links" to the table all day, but its the end product that should be focussed on. Like I said, the people I KNOW who have come from, or are involved in these schools, have not come from an environment of abuse, on the contrary they are conscientious human beings that care about humanity and our planet. People are becoming more aware of the satanists and where they hide, and the main indicators are their DEEDS, not associations.