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Piscina ago

I agree with just about everything you say. You make great points. But I don't agree with this:

"I have nothing against Satanism. ... Again, I find nothing wrong with evil worship"

I have a HUGE problem with Satanism. I have a HUGE problem with worshipping evil. I get that you are trying to not be judgemental. But sometimes we require judgement. It's okay to be moral and take a stand. If we stand by silently on the basis of being non-judgemental, we allow this insanity and evil to flourish right under our noses.

If Satanism was a religion that taught kindness, love and compassion, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it's a religion that is nefarious; it doesn't operate out in the open; it promotes evil. On the face of it, it's about 'rationality' and 'critical thinking' but scratch the surface and children are being sacrificed and eaten; abortions are being performed; girls are being sexually abused and traumatised for life; people are being skinned alive, decapitated, strung up, impaled, disembowelled. I am vehemently opposed to Satanism, when these are just a few 'rituals' on it's fecking calendar: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_calendar.htm
Blood rituals, dismemberment.  Animal/human sacrifice. 17 - Satanic revels:  Sexual rituals. 20 - 26:  Sacrifice preparation:  kidnapping, holding and ceremonial preparation of person for human sacrifice. 26 - The Da Muer ritual:  Grand climax.  Sex rituals and human sacrifice of woman/child

You also state: "But those involved don’t claim to be Satanists. In fact many have gone on record as claiming they specifically aren’t Satanists and others claim to be Christians and members of other (non evil) organized religions" You are absolutely correct. I'm finding that many Satanists are operating under the guise of being very Christian. But, again, scratch the surface and you see the coding--the owls, the single eyes, the Satanic star, the goat, the panda.

Tanngrisnir ago

With Satanism there are sort of two branches. One is the LeVay Satanists which are basically just secular humanists steeped in Rand and Nietzsche that like to piss people off by affiliating with something taboo. They consider Satan a symbol of defiance but don't literally believe in him. These people are actually (relatively speaking) pretty normal and for all their posturing they don't do anything that could really be considered evil. They are selfish libertines but they aren't sociopaths.

In the past I had believed all Satanists were basically the boring LeVay variety but Pizzagate has challenged that assumption extremely well.

WorkSmarter ago

I find this interesting and based on what you said I feel that the "Levay" group would be the most reprehensible in my opinion. I think the bible saying went something like, you were luke warm so i spit you out.

I would love to hear more about the second branch?

Tanngrisnir ago

I spoke to someone who I would consider a LeVay Satanist once over the internet and even though I blatantly made fun of him he seemed to respect free thinking and took a liking to me, oddly. They are a fiercely individualistic group. While they are pretty selfish in nature they are at least honest about it. While I consider them hardly exemplary people I still think they are far and away from the sort of depravity you see in pizzagate.

There is, to my thinking, a possible third group which I will call "Gnostics" which despite consisting of the militant atheists basically recycles the gnostic idea that God is evil (the demiurge) and most be opposed (even though they say they don't believe in him). This type I loathe with a passion because they are almost always self-righteous misanthropes who want to ban organized religion in spite of claiming to be for free speech. They consist of figures like Christopher Hitchens, Slavoj Zizek, Inna Shevchenko, Stephen Fry and Philip Pullman. Many admire the Soviet Union and have a huge totalitarian streak in spite of all their claims for being egalitarian. In general, the LeVay Satanists are a much more pleasant group ironically.

The true Satanists who genuinely believe in Satan I know next to nothing about. Assuming the players involved in pizzagate are them then they are some of the most reprehensible people imaginable. It is also possible that the pizzagate players are more akin to the gnostics. True Satanists might be affiliated with Aleister Crowley's Thelema but I don't know really anything about that since after reading about Anton LeVay's Satanism I figured it was probably tame and not worthy of concern.