Where is the link/documentation that this realtor actually made a phone call to the Sandlers about the hankie - I have missed this somewhere and I'd like to know this was proven. Link please?
The email was from Sandlers.....who said "the realtor found a pizza related hanky".....the realtor being Tate. The realtor would at least be able to say what kind of hankercheif she had found....doubt the realtor knows anything more than she found a hankerchief and might not remember specifics unless it was remarkable in some way. And it sounds to me like the realtor found a hankerchief and gave it to Sandlers.
Ok thanks for clarifying that, which should be done any time this issue is addressed - of course the mods let this garbled post calling for harrassment stand, but pick apart much more important offerings. Nevertheless - this whole thing is misguided. the bigger picture needs to be addressed. Is the email itself a kind of threat? "We've got the goods on you, are you going to make time to deliver on your end" kind of thing. The realtor may or may not have anything to do with that threat, may be a convenience or may herself be a trafficker. IF there is anything there, trained law enforcement needs to be questioning her, NOT amateurs online. Why wise up a chump so to speak?
THIS ENTIRE SUBMISSION DESERVES AN OFFICIAL BLEU RASPBERRY AWARD FOR STUPIDITY, WHICH I HEREBY BESTOW - WELCOME TO THE HALL OF PIZZAGATE SHAME OP
Is that all we have? How is this person linked as his realtor? This is a wild assumption to make if there is no formal link.
"The Realtor" could equal trafficker, not a literal realtor just like
"pizza" = pedo
"map" = ritual cloth/blood.sperm catcher (whatever)
So this thread is clearly designed to compromise pizzagate. laughably and transparently so. CTR, if you hired me, I really would do a lot better job. Your shills have the imagination of a garden snail, really. And no, I won't work to protect pedos, so forget about it.
I'm aware there's a lot of shilling and disinfo being thrown around, but isn't it possible that with all the crap to dig through, we ourselves might make some mistakes?
Not to say with certainty that you're wrong and defending a potential shill, just trying to be reasonable about this.
I took some time to understand your reply - you are saying hey they might not be a shill, just making a mistake, right?
IMO the line between it being a shill or not is when they specifically call out to harrass a person and literally make them miserable with hundreds of calls - THAT is unacceptable to me and puts this investigation in danger. I don't think the concerned people here who are really trying to help and volunteering hundreds of hours of their time are going to do things like that. Other concerned lurkers aren't going to do that either. Who has a real motive to do that? CTR of course.
Surely I don't have to spell out to you what would happen to the public perception of this forum if a real estate lady went to the press after having her office phone called hundreds of times by pizzagate people? So I think mistake is too mild, yes.
In this particular instance, I agree that suggesting harassing people by phone is a potential shill no bueno and shouldn't be followed (and agree it's toxic to our investigation efforts). But I've seen a LOT in general of people yelling SHILL when they disagree or someone could have made a mistake, and that's all I was referring to.
My first question when I saw this was also "why didn't they simply call, instead of ask a plethora of others to and potentially cause a mess instead"?
bcause - shill. I think that Martha's Vinyard person is part of the shill team too. I don't call just anybody a shill btw, however lately there's been a lot more of it. In fact I think the shills outnumber reg folks by as many as 3-5 to 1 at times. The mods are almost all bought off, sold out whatever. I think maybe Vindicator might be ok - try to upvote him when you can, apparently mods who go against other mods can be stripped of points and lose voting and even commenting priveleges just like us. I also learned KevDude is the "higher up" mod that they go to if they don't want to remove something that suits their purposes such as that "Bleu Raspberrry Hall of Shame" let's all get the Realtor shitpost.
Sure, there are plenty of shills and a metric ton of disinfo. I'm just saying that not every low-quality post, by nature, has to be a shill.
I'm also just looking out for the possibility that someone could exploit the paranoia and paint good info as more shillery (again, not in this case). It's not a coincidence that Alefantis called someone a "shill" (if you believe IsThisGameOfThrones put up genuine chat logs, that is). I have no doubt his kind lurk within this forum, spread disinfo, and use the same "shill" whistle against us, whether those logs are real or not. Hell, they may even be intentionally invoking paranoia to keep us distracted from finding the evidence we need.
It is almost a zen exercise. I just roll with the shilly shallying waves. There is still usually something of interest that surfaces here despite it all - the Alefantis appearances alone are worth the price of admission.
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VieBleu ago
Where is the link/documentation that this realtor actually made a phone call to the Sandlers about the hankie - I have missed this somewhere and I'd like to know this was proven. Link please?
Flat_Truth ago
The email was from Sandlers.....who said "the realtor found a pizza related hanky".....the realtor being Tate. The realtor would at least be able to say what kind of hankercheif she had found....doubt the realtor knows anything more than she found a hankerchief and might not remember specifics unless it was remarkable in some way. And it sounds to me like the realtor found a hankerchief and gave it to Sandlers.
VieBleu ago
Ok thanks for clarifying that, which should be done any time this issue is addressed - of course the mods let this garbled post calling for harrassment stand, but pick apart much more important offerings. Nevertheless - this whole thing is misguided. the bigger picture needs to be addressed. Is the email itself a kind of threat? "We've got the goods on you, are you going to make time to deliver on your end" kind of thing. The realtor may or may not have anything to do with that threat, may be a convenience or may herself be a trafficker. IF there is anything there, trained law enforcement needs to be questioning her, NOT amateurs online. Why wise up a chump so to speak?
THIS ENTIRE SUBMISSION DESERVES AN OFFICIAL BLEU RASPBERRY AWARD FOR STUPIDITY, WHICH I HEREBY BESTOW - WELCOME TO THE HALL OF PIZZAGATE SHAME OP
AreWeSure ago
I think the map email says. The Realtor called and found a handkerchief.
VieBleu ago
Is that all we have? How is this person linked as his realtor? This is a wild assumption to make if there is no formal link.
"The Realtor" could equal trafficker, not a literal realtor just like "pizza" = pedo "map" = ritual cloth/blood.sperm catcher (whatever)
So this thread is clearly designed to compromise pizzagate. laughably and transparently so. CTR, if you hired me, I really would do a lot better job. Your shills have the imagination of a garden snail, really. And no, I won't work to protect pedos, so forget about it.
nomorepepperoni ago
I'm aware there's a lot of shilling and disinfo being thrown around, but isn't it possible that with all the crap to dig through, we ourselves might make some mistakes?
Not to say with certainty that you're wrong and defending a potential shill, just trying to be reasonable about this.
VieBleu ago
I took some time to understand your reply - you are saying hey they might not be a shill, just making a mistake, right?
IMO the line between it being a shill or not is when they specifically call out to harrass a person and literally make them miserable with hundreds of calls - THAT is unacceptable to me and puts this investigation in danger. I don't think the concerned people here who are really trying to help and volunteering hundreds of hours of their time are going to do things like that. Other concerned lurkers aren't going to do that either. Who has a real motive to do that? CTR of course.
Surely I don't have to spell out to you what would happen to the public perception of this forum if a real estate lady went to the press after having her office phone called hundreds of times by pizzagate people? So I think mistake is too mild, yes.
nomorepepperoni ago
In this particular instance, I agree that suggesting harassing people by phone is a potential shill no bueno and shouldn't be followed (and agree it's toxic to our investigation efforts). But I've seen a LOT in general of people yelling SHILL when they disagree or someone could have made a mistake, and that's all I was referring to.
My first question when I saw this was also "why didn't they simply call, instead of ask a plethora of others to and potentially cause a mess instead"?
VieBleu ago
bcause - shill. I think that Martha's Vinyard person is part of the shill team too. I don't call just anybody a shill btw, however lately there's been a lot more of it. In fact I think the shills outnumber reg folks by as many as 3-5 to 1 at times. The mods are almost all bought off, sold out whatever. I think maybe Vindicator might be ok - try to upvote him when you can, apparently mods who go against other mods can be stripped of points and lose voting and even commenting priveleges just like us. I also learned KevDude is the "higher up" mod that they go to if they don't want to remove something that suits their purposes such as that "Bleu Raspberrry Hall of Shame" let's all get the Realtor shitpost.
nomorepepperoni ago
Sure, there are plenty of shills and a metric ton of disinfo. I'm just saying that not every low-quality post, by nature, has to be a shill.
I'm also just looking out for the possibility that someone could exploit the paranoia and paint good info as more shillery (again, not in this case). It's not a coincidence that Alefantis called someone a "shill" (if you believe IsThisGameOfThrones put up genuine chat logs, that is). I have no doubt his kind lurk within this forum, spread disinfo, and use the same "shill" whistle against us, whether those logs are real or not. Hell, they may even be intentionally invoking paranoia to keep us distracted from finding the evidence we need.
VieBleu ago
It is almost a zen exercise. I just roll with the shilly shallying waves. There is still usually something of interest that surfaces here despite it all - the Alefantis appearances alone are worth the price of admission.