I am reposting this submission from a month ago because it bears revisiting due to the pushback against the occult elements being "real" in the pizzagate narrative, as we have seen lately on these boards. This was originally posted to sift through some of Podesta's close relationships, starting with the strange remark made by his brother Tony at his mother's passing and leading to a core group of 25 possible ritual occultists, with Tamara Luzatto as a central figure.
OP:
The close reading of a string of Podesta emails seems to indicate that there may be a strong connection to Crowley/Gardnarian witchcraft traditions within Podesta's close circles. In this pizzagate investigation, examining the lingo and possible code language of the more minor players around Podesta, Alefantis and others constitute much of the circumstantial "orgy of evidence" pointing at a Satanist child trafficking subculture that was flourishing in DC for at least the last 10 years - from guys who built child size coffins for a hobby and dug underground tunnels at night, to moms who made sure kids were in the pool to entertain adult male dinner guests, "spirit oooking" dinners at private homes, and so on.
Powerful DC operator Tony Podesta raised some eyebrows with this strangely specific comment about his and John's mother Mary when she died https://archive.is/ztlnH comment "She had two sons, but she adopted another 25 people during the time she came to Washington, said her older son, Tony Podesta, a Washington public affairs strategist." The usual figure of speech would be more like, "She had two sons, but adopted a whole lot of our friends over the years."
The article adds, re: mother Mary Podesta- "So its no surprise that once Mrs. Podesta moved to Washington, D.C., to be closer to her sons, she took to cooking at political fund-raisers. (any spirit cooking?) What is surprising is how she became a celebrity of sorts...Mrs. Podesta, known to many of the nations Democratic elite as Mama Podesta, died Friday in Washington from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. She was 88...She had two lives. She was a wife and mother in Chicago, but then..." etc...
Who were the 25 mother Mary Podesta "adopted"? Was it a group of devoted Satanists that she assumed a leadership role over as an elder female High Priestess? Let's look -
At about 4:55 in this video you are viewing a Podesta wikileaks email originally written by Tamara Luzzato, the DC lobbyist and the mom who assured Podesta that for a dinner party "the kids will be in that pool" when he visited. Here, just after wife Mary Podesta is involved in a car accident in May of 2010, Luzatto offers that since she is "...hearing from book people galore, I thought I'd better send this out. At your and Mary's service to guide a circle of 25 or so totally devoted fellow readers, but also friends, and again, anything else I can do to just keep people informed. I hope I worded this suitably or aptly or whatever." Here Tamara is afraid to misstep and so hopes she speaks carefully enough - why? And here is a specific reference to 25 - the 25 that Mother Podesta "adopted" perhaps? Finally she offers "pain for her pain" which isn't the most common way to say Get Well Soon, but makes a bit more sense in light of our new understanding of "spirit cooking" circles. Marina Abramovic's theatrical blood ritual performance art uses similar lingo.
Later in the video we see an email (5:56)Luzzato writes to John Podesta about the accident of "OUR Mary" - Mary Podesta who is in "our own circle", and who drives her to their "book group" of "devoted readers". She writes that she is at Podesta's service "to guide the circle of 25" This is likely the string of about 25 names (26 plus Luzzatos email) that is also shown.
She informs the group (4:35) that in her talks with Mary who drove her to the "book group", Mary declared her "love for her family, Truckee, AND our own circle - we really did talk about all that, SO I will refrain from saying what I REALLY think about a vehicle hitting her or why this all happened to her." Since they REALLY did talk about that, does that mean that the 25 the email went out to can be assured that Mary's devotion to the group is not in question... The whole train of thought and speech is decidedly odd. Truckee is a rural town where there seems to be a retreat.
Earier in the video (2:34) Luzzato writes to Podesta - "I will try to keep sending word, or find a way that you get word, and when we can all do something to help. I and our other Mary Followers will round up ways to truly help" Sorry, this just isn't your usual book club or bible study group.
Thelema Favor email - (2:09 same video Is a forwarded email from wife Mary to John with the subject line "Thelema favor", a hard to explain away reference to Aleister Crowley's (self-proclaimed Beast) cult religion of ritual Satanist worship called Thelema. At the top of this email, it is clear that Podesta has recently changed his email so the writer, another "John" goes through Podesta's mother Mary to reach him. This favor is no small thing - a meeting with the US President for the mother of a friend's family doctor who is in "Love" with Obama. Really? Of course Washington runs on favors, and a "Thelema favor" must be a special one.
Do these emails help us reconstruct the barely suppressed lingo of a cult group of about 25 or so close knit people who meet regularly but not in a way that can be openly discussed? This is a group that you have to worry about how you are "aptly" phrasing your words, in fact.
Now here's where it gets a bit weirder. From "Spellbound: Women and Witchcraft in America, pg. 255) https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=ZVd7AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA255&lpg=PA255&dq=aleister+crowley,+25,+coven&source=bl&ots=72M34_V_Ny&sig=viPE4iW62GxHM_4qh8Se0wFEPfc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxm9mM8v7QAhWMlZQKHcUwAtEQ6AEIGTAA#v=onepage&q=aleister%20crowley%2C%2025%2C%20coven&f=false Gerald Gardiner was an admirer of Crowley, and elaborated on Crowley's Thelema witchcraft rituals by being "the first to promote and publicize a magical-religious pantheaon headed by The Goddess, an idea which he seems to have gotten in part from the writings of C.G. Leland, a folklorist who described late 19th century witch cults in Italy....Gardner's rituals had a number of Crowley-like aspects: Rituals were to be done in the nude; sexual arousal was a source of magical power , the High Priestess was to perform sex acts with the High Priest (if not the whole of the male congregation); flogging and brandishment of knives (dominoes?) went hand in hand with a mythology of ritual incest (mother/son) and human sacrifice."
It should be pointed out that the Gardinarian tradition has a strong tradition of female leadership (reference same book and page as above), and this string of emails underlines the importance of Podesta's mother, his wife, a female doctor's elder mother, and the central role Tamara Luzzato plays within this "book circle". The fact that many of these women come from Italian heritage is also interesting, considering the Gardnarian connection to Goddess oriented witchcraft from Italy as recently as a century ago.
Final thought - Politics and Prose comes to mind when discussing a "book circle" that would be right on ground zero of the connected compounds.
I could use assistance finding the original emails in wikileaks - I will archive and update this post.
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YingYangMom ago
Is this why Podesta's circle of friends often send him pictures of their infant children and grandchildren, with details of their weight, height and names? For Podesta and his mother to judge and see if maybe their child might possibly be the Chosen One? The next 'Rosemary's Baby'?
VieBleu ago
That was about a specific ritual to creat an AntiChrist. Are you actually familiar with the book and the movie? probably not, as that would not be the kind of entertainment you would seek out.
Be careful about jumping to conclusions. I have noticed that the Jesus Followers here at pizzagate are eager and of value, but are unschooled about Western familiarity with occult subjects and concepts. LoPhatt was making an analogy, NOT a literal suggestion that the group around Podesta were actually creating an Anti Christ. No, they were not sending details about the kids to see if any of them were a Chosen One. We don't know exactly why but it may have been more on the lines of shopping for a child that would fulfill certain tastes in pedophilia.
YingYangMom ago
Don't patronize me about being Christian, what does that have to do with anything? I'm not a fanatic and certainly not as close-minded as you'd like to think I am. You're comment is down-right derogative and discriminative. If I weren't such a good-natured person, I'd call you a hypocrite because iirc, you were the first one to get offended on @ich1baN thread about the 'Talmud being accepting of rape on 3 year-olds'. I don't like to discriminate and I don't condone anti-semitism and racism either. And if you were trying to prove your intellectual superiority over Jesus Followers, you failed miserably.
I am familiar with the movie, seen it a couple of times. What I know is that you make it sound like you know more about what Podesta and his group are up to than any of us are. If they are part of a Thelema cult, it is very possible that they engage in orgies, SRA, fertility ritual ceremonies, et al. And what proof do you have to support the argument that they don't engage in such a ritual that envolves the creation of an Anti-Christ? I wouldn't be so quick to put it past the Podestas, but hey, what do I know... I was merely pointing out to a suggestion. Nothing more.
VieBleu ago
I wasn't the first one offended, I was the only one that bothered to try to have a rational discourse with Ichiban, the thread was deleted you remember right?
You guys have really touchy and quick tempers - you aren't here to be fawned over. If you don't like my honest opinion of the naivete of the Jesus Follower group about certain issues, too bad, you are here in a public forum that is not particularly Christian oriented so youj'll have to develop a thicker skin. I felt your comment was naive and if you think any criticism is condescension, then that's your weakness nothing to do with me. However, I am sorry to have made you feel that way inadvertantly. You don't have to know everything, I don't consider it discrimination to try to correct a poor assumption. I know I don't know everything, so when it is pointed out to me, I can accept it. Why can't you?
I've done more to "prove" they may be into mother/son incest, ritual sacrifice, blood sacrifice, black magic and etc simply with the book I quoted and the logic of my post than you have done with your wide eyed questions about OH ROSEMARY'S BABY ARE THEY GETTING THE MEASUREMENTS OF KIDS TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE THE CHOSEN ONE?! Try backing up what you assert with some documentation for a start - that's what earns respect here, not a tongue lashing by Mom.
When dealing with these topics, try to show a little restraint and not jump to the wildest conclusion without supporting it. Wouldn't hurt if you did the same with your touchy angry grouch stuff as well. We are on the same side, like it or not.
Looking back at my response, it was quite measured and reasonable. If THAT ticks you off to such a degree, maybe forum culture isn't for you. Good luck.
ich1baN ago
I like how you insinuate that since it was deleted that it was somehow illegitimate. It was deleted b/c Millennial_Falcon lost the debate and was COMPLETELY delegitimized and devalued as a Mod... He still hasn't responded to my rebuttal that I linked him to 4 separate times b/c he knows his logic was defeated and he couldn't be made an example of for all VOAT to see.
VieBleu ago
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Stop trolling your old fights and do something worthwhile.