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militant ago

UPDATE: listenandsee has pointed out that Christopher Lynch, co-owner pictured wearing the J'(heart/love/aime) L'Enfant, may be a descendant of Pierre L'Enfant and portraits of L'Enfant on the bar's website indicate this may be the case and that L'Enfant may be at least one of the cafe's namesakes.

Gotta love this. You asked for a source and he provided none, yet you still add that in your post?

What's your own source for L'Enfant being a Mason, by the way?

psmith85 ago

wikipedia; yeah I should have said purported to be; also said 'may be' not is; get over it

militant ago

You should have said nothing... 'may be' based on a random comment, way to ruin your own thread in my eyes.

psmith85 ago

I changed it, and you may be wrong about him being a relative, time will tell; it was a relatively minor side note and not part of the original thread, and takes very little away from it; as I said, get over it

militant ago

But I didn't claim he is or isn't a relative... I'm merely pointing out that this update is as non-factual as it gets.

Regarding L'Enfant being a Mason, it's very far from clear: https://web.archive.org/web/20120117011251/http://scottishrite.org/journal/march-april-2011/lenfant-masonic-career/ (Wikipedia's source) http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm

psmith85 ago

You're harping on an insignificant point (that has been corrected) and downvoting posts on it, and ignoring all the rest; I think we've all seen that tactic before. He was a close associate of Washington, he inserted multiple Masonic symbols in his design of the city (let's call it Eastern Star and not Sigil of Baphomet). And from your source: 'However, the historical record is clear: Major L’Enfant was a brother, even if he appears not to have advanced beyond Entered Apprentice..'

militant ago

I was about to comment about Moloch too, but others did it before me. Why would I care about facts and truth if I was a shill? On the contrary, I would do the exact opposite of what I'm doing, I'd post 'occult' crap taken from random disinfo blogs and I would say 'hey guys, look at this, this is really impressive'.

I downvote misleading comments, yes, you are right.

What you're refering to as 'my source' is actually a quote of 'your source', Wikipedia's source. I'm not even sure they're talking about the same L'Enfant, but it's quite possible though. As i said, it's very far from clear.

If L'Enfant was NOT a Master Mason then, under the rules which then applied, his entry and attendance at ONE MEETING ONLY would not have qualified him to be considered a "member". No dues, no benefits including right of burial as a Mason, etc. would have applied in his case. He would not have been entitled to visit other lodges NOR would he have been permitted to call himself a Mason. Simply using the CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence claimed, we feel it's somewhat foolish to assert that L'Enfant was a Mason and, more especially, to claim that Freemasonry somehow influenced him if he, in fact, never continued beyond the supposed single meeting he attended - and there's not even circumstantial evidence to date to show he did.

psmith85 ago

The point is he was attending Mason meetings, he was called a member of the brotherhood in an article on the Scottish Rite website titled The Masonic Career of Pierre L'Enfant, he was associated with several extremely high-level Masons and appointed to design the city by one, he was a relative nobody who suddenly was appointed to design the nation's capital and inserted multiple Masonic (and possibly also Satanic in one case) symbols in the design. It really doesn't matter what ranking he was. He was involved with them closely enough to insert inverted pentagrams at the heart of the city. If he was not a Mason he was acting at the behest of Masons or related occult/gnostic groups. I believe it's certainly a relevant fact to this scandal considering that many of the recent and not so recent sinister activities of our government have been continuously 'tagged' with apparently Masonic symbols. Beyond that I can't say much on the subject of Freemasonry. I didn't harp on the idea and added single sentence 'he was a Mason,' which is relevant, just like the fact that designer of Statue of Liberty and US currency were Masons, and a huge number of presidents were. But you are acting like a disinfo agent by discounting all this and implying there's nothing to see here, quibbling over details of internal ranking and protocol. If you're not one stop acting like it.

listenandsee ago

This is a nice summation and I have to say I agree.

militant ago

you are acting like a disinfo agent

Hahaha, as if I'm the one spreading bullshit. Only a shill would call me a shill.