Pierre L'Enfant (architect of L'Enfant Plaza in Washington DC) designed the Pentagram street plan of Washington DC (pizzagate)

submitted ago by psmith85

When I was looking at a subway map regarding Pegasus on another thread, I noticed L'Enfant Plaza.

I looked up Pierre L'Enfant, who designed the plaza, and noticed that he was the one who drew up the oft mentioned [street plan] of Washington DC that contains an inverted Pentagram with the White House at its head, known as the L'Enfant Plan. L'Enfant was a high level Freemason. It seems like an odd last name, and translates to Peter the Child/Infant.

I really don't have anything more to add for the moment but wanted to put it out there in case anyone has anything on this.

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militant ago

UPDATE: listenandsee has pointed out that Christopher Lynch, co-owner pictured wearing the J'(heart/love/aime) L'Enfant, may be a descendant of Pierre L'Enfant and portraits of L'Enfant on the bar's website indicate this may be the case and that L'Enfant may be at least one of the cafe's namesakes.

Gotta love this. You asked for a source and he provided none, yet you still add that in your post?

What's your own source for L'Enfant being a Mason, by the way?

psmith85 ago

wikipedia; yeah I should have said purported to be; also said 'may be' not is; get over it

militant ago

You should have said nothing... 'may be' based on a random comment, way to ruin your own thread in my eyes.

psmith85 ago

I changed it, and you may be wrong about him being a relative, time will tell; it was a relatively minor side note and not part of the original thread, and takes very little away from it; as I said, get over it

militant ago

But I didn't claim he is or isn't a relative... I'm merely pointing out that this update is as non-factual as it gets.

Regarding L'Enfant being a Mason, it's very far from clear: https://web.archive.org/web/20120117011251/http://scottishrite.org/journal/march-april-2011/lenfant-masonic-career/ (Wikipedia's source) http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm

psmith85 ago

All you've added on this subject so far is one mediocre post; you don't appear to have contributed anything significant at all in terms of submissions or comments. Sometimes when an idea is thrown out there, BS/uncertain/wrong info gets mixed in and it takes a while to sort it out and distill the useful info. That's the point of collaborative research; it doesn't have to be perfect initially or in the first 5 minutes. I never latched onto the descendant thing, I qualified it with a 'may be' so that others could still see it and do their own research on it. Instead of trolling the posts of others how about you actually add something to the discussion. Otherwise please buzz off.

militant ago

Implying I'm a shill, and now claiming I'm useless, whereas I'm precisely helping in order to 'sort it out and distill the useful info'. Apparently you dislike it, though. Doesn't make much sense.

psmith85 ago

You didn't point out anything. I asked him for a source and put 'may be' from the beginning, indicating I never accepted it as fact. I included it in the description and described as not just hearsay but secondhand hearsay. Then you mischaracterize what I said as accepting it as fact and go on a rant about Masonic ranking when it's not really disputed that he was a Mason or at least close Mason-associate. There's a difference between constructive criticism and being a crabby, negative dickhead who just trolls posts and harps on minor, relatively insignificant (potential) faults and claims they 'ruin the whole post,' rather than doing something productive like actually investigating to see if there's anything to the claim (which I did do briefly, and there doesn't appear to be as far as I can tell)

militant ago

I pointed out that your update was as non-factual as it gets, are you blind? You're mischaracterizing what I said when you claim that I mischaracterized what you said - I haven't. You lack any sense of logic and you're apparently fine with being counterproductive because you're only moderately counterproductive. As if it is a great achievement. Not to mention the accusations and the insults. The typical attitude of shills who accuse other people of being shills when they don't buy their BS. You keep replying, though, it's funny. A stubborn one.

Yesterday L'Enfant was a high level Freemason, today he is a Freemason, maybe tomorrow he will be a probable Freemason, and so on, who knows?

Keep up the good work.

psmith85 ago

L'Enfant was for all intents and purposes a Freemason and everyone here would agree. He was part of a cadre of highest-level Masons, his own supposedly entry-level ranking notwithstanding. We have Satanic and Masonic symbology, a systemic pedophilia problem in a certain city, the designer of that city and Alefantis and company having ties to Satanism or the occult, a member of this contemporary pedophile ring naming his restaurant after that designer, and the designer and Alefantis having similar strange and possibly fake (moreso for Alefantis) names that are potentially related to pedophilia. I think this at the very least is worth pointing out and the votes agree. You deserve to be insulted. You are useless to the movement. You've produced nothing since this began, as evidenced by your contribution history. Look at my threads and you'll see several have been helpful. 1-2 were relative duds and dead ends. That's the way it goes. You are a negative element and a drag on getting anywhere. Go away; go to the Snopes forum or go kiss Michael Shermer and James Randi's shill asses in a 'skeptic's' forum.

militant ago

I deserve to be insulted because I don't buy your Moloch-high-level-Mason-may-be-a-relative-of-L-Enfant crap? You are truly hilarious.

YOU are detrimental to the movement with your pointless 'occultish' disinfo, anyone with a brain can realize this. By the way, a protip: an honest researcher wouldn't react like you did.

psmith85 ago

You're harping on an insignificant point (that has been corrected) and downvoting posts on it, and ignoring all the rest; I think we've all seen that tactic before. He was a close associate of Washington, he inserted multiple Masonic symbols in his design of the city (let's call it Eastern Star and not Sigil of Baphomet). And from your source: 'However, the historical record is clear: Major L’Enfant was a brother, even if he appears not to have advanced beyond Entered Apprentice..'

militant ago

I was about to comment about Moloch too, but others did it before me. Why would I care about facts and truth if I was a shill? On the contrary, I would do the exact opposite of what I'm doing, I'd post 'occult' crap taken from random disinfo blogs and I would say 'hey guys, look at this, this is really impressive'.

I downvote misleading comments, yes, you are right.

What you're refering to as 'my source' is actually a quote of 'your source', Wikipedia's source. I'm not even sure they're talking about the same L'Enfant, but it's quite possible though. As i said, it's very far from clear.

If L'Enfant was NOT a Master Mason then, under the rules which then applied, his entry and attendance at ONE MEETING ONLY would not have qualified him to be considered a "member". No dues, no benefits including right of burial as a Mason, etc. would have applied in his case. He would not have been entitled to visit other lodges NOR would he have been permitted to call himself a Mason. Simply using the CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence claimed, we feel it's somewhat foolish to assert that L'Enfant was a Mason and, more especially, to claim that Freemasonry somehow influenced him if he, in fact, never continued beyond the supposed single meeting he attended - and there's not even circumstantial evidence to date to show he did.

psmith85 ago

The point is he was attending Mason meetings, he was called a member of the brotherhood in an article on the Scottish Rite website titled The Masonic Career of Pierre L'Enfant, he was associated with several extremely high-level Masons and appointed to design the city by one, he was a relative nobody who suddenly was appointed to design the nation's capital and inserted multiple Masonic (and possibly also Satanic in one case) symbols in the design. It really doesn't matter what ranking he was. He was involved with them closely enough to insert inverted pentagrams at the heart of the city. If he was not a Mason he was acting at the behest of Masons or related occult/gnostic groups. I believe it's certainly a relevant fact to this scandal considering that many of the recent and not so recent sinister activities of our government have been continuously 'tagged' with apparently Masonic symbols. Beyond that I can't say much on the subject of Freemasonry. I didn't harp on the idea and added single sentence 'he was a Mason,' which is relevant, just like the fact that designer of Statue of Liberty and US currency were Masons, and a huge number of presidents were. But you are acting like a disinfo agent by discounting all this and implying there's nothing to see here, quibbling over details of internal ranking and protocol. If you're not one stop acting like it.

listenandsee ago

This is a nice summation and I have to say I agree.

militant ago

you are acting like a disinfo agent

Hahaha, as if I'm the one spreading bullshit. Only a shill would call me a shill.