I made a short response video to this video expressing my concerns with using the word 'satanic' too much, as these forms of cults can worship anything from Satan to Moloch to a made-up-brand-new cult diety. We don't want to be overly specific, best keep the focus around chid trafficking rings and child sexual abuse rings
It covers every possible deification or pseudo-deification of 'Scientific Illuminism' (as Crowley called it), right down to the belief that every man/women themselves, is the only 'god' of consequence.
The Spirit Cooking and sexual sacrementalization using 'handkerchiefs', is specifically derived from Thelemic transgressionalism. The best quote that there is about Thelema is the following:
Regarding Crowley's antidemocratic, racist and misanthropic writings, followers point out: "The reason [...] aspects of Thelema are omitted [in public discussion] indicates the actual problem with presenting Thelema as a religion and attempting to get Thelema sanctioned by the government or approved by the public: Thelema is ultimately in contrast to and transgressive of normative society. Thelema rejects the morals and values of normative society and acts to transgress and violate these norms. From the inclusion of intoxicants in ritual, to the positive view of sexuality, which frequently is seen as promoting promiscuity, to the pro–authoritarian and Nietzschian aspects of Thelema, normative society has much to reject in Thelema and conversely, Thelema encourages its adherents to reject most aspects of normative society."(O.T.O.'s "Journal of Thelemic Studies", 1;2, 2008, http://thelemicstudies.com/JoTS1–2.pdf, pg 40)
As a Christian my bias would be to call it Satanic, because all of this self-deification is the Biblical definition of Satanic ideology, though you are probably correct that certain occult and elite communities would use pedantic specificity as an argument against generality towards comunal, even ritual, organized transgressive behavior. Abramovic and the Podesta's obviously revel in their association with transgressive 'art', and try to use this as a cover for their true inner beliefs (though Abramovic's Twitter handle included the number 666; revealing at least a Thelemic foundation).
They use the term 'Satan' or 'Satanism' as a canard in little word games to mock their detractors.
As such, we should use specificity against them, and just call their belief systems Thelemic. Nuance can work both ways, and would interest third parties more in the topics being discussed, because the word 'satan' just invokes the usual glazed eye syndrome where people instantly turn off from the discussion, like someone blew a dog whistle in their ear.
Agreed, but calling it Thelemic will just get their panties in a knot ... and that is just more satisfying :) They want us to use the word 'satanic' because it helps them build strawman arguments. Maybe call it 'evil Thelemite ideology' if you want to emphasize the evil.
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Phobos_Mothership ago
I made a short response video to this video expressing my concerns with using the word 'satanic' too much, as these forms of cults can worship anything from Satan to Moloch to a made-up-brand-new cult diety. We don't want to be overly specific, best keep the focus around chid trafficking rings and child sexual abuse rings
PieInTheEye ago
'Thelemic' is actually a better terminology.
It covers every possible deification or pseudo-deification of 'Scientific Illuminism' (as Crowley called it), right down to the belief that every man/women themselves, is the only 'god' of consequence.
The Spirit Cooking and sexual sacrementalization using 'handkerchiefs', is specifically derived from Thelemic transgressionalism. The best quote that there is about Thelema is the following:
As a Christian my bias would be to call it Satanic, because all of this self-deification is the Biblical definition of Satanic ideology, though you are probably correct that certain occult and elite communities would use pedantic specificity as an argument against generality towards comunal, even ritual, organized transgressive behavior. Abramovic and the Podesta's obviously revel in their association with transgressive 'art', and try to use this as a cover for their true inner beliefs (though Abramovic's Twitter handle included the number 666; revealing at least a Thelemic foundation).
They use the term 'Satan' or 'Satanism' as a canard in little word games to mock their detractors.
As such, we should use specificity against them, and just call their belief systems Thelemic. Nuance can work both ways, and would interest third parties more in the topics being discussed, because the word 'satan' just invokes the usual glazed eye syndrome where people instantly turn off from the discussion, like someone blew a dog whistle in their ear.
SayWhatNOWAY ago
No matter what anyone calls it, it is freaking Evil Sick Disgusting Satanism!
PieInTheEye ago
Agreed, but calling it Thelemic will just get their panties in a knot ... and that is just more satisfying :) They want us to use the word 'satanic' because it helps them build strawman arguments. Maybe call it 'evil Thelemite ideology' if you want to emphasize the evil.