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Infopractical ago

I would like to lend another perspective to this discussion. I'm one of the pizzagate researchers like most everyone else here, but I believe that prostitution should be legal, or at the very least be decriminalized. And I believe that the push to have craigslist shut down that aspect of its site hurt sex workers and trafficked victims. For this reason, I would like to be careful in formulating a view of Craig Newmark and his motivations. I honestly don't know enough to venture a reasonable guess about them.

But my view on the economic of consensual sex between adults is well summed up by George Carlin: "Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?"

To me, this is much like the War on Drugs, which has allowed our CIA to run profitable drug operations and has driven shame and drug abuse underground to the point that it has destroyed people.

The more open and legal prostitution is, the easier it is for clients to find legal (adult) sex workers (making child sex workers less marketable!) and the easier it is to rescue trafficked children. Personally, I've always worried that the end of the craigslist sex market just drove the trade further underground making it harder to distinguish between consenting sex workers and sex slaves (where "slave" is the operate word).

Maybe Newmark's intentions are good, and maybe they aren't. I don't feel like I'm being presented with information that informs me in those regards.

Fatsack ago

It's not willing consenting prostitution when they're underage. Underage girls CANNOT CONSENT.

Infopractical ago

I emphatically agree that the underage girls cannot consent!

My point in raising this issue was to try to untangle the moral distinctions between the sex trade and sex slavery, the latter of which is undeniably dehumanizing.

WITLESS ago

Groups like.p.i.e would want to disagree and this is the trap of the socialist appeal. Once these groups like the fabian society get an inch they want a mile. The order is stabilized by the pillars of the society.That is why the "doctrine of total criminalisation"encourages ALL to act in a criminal way thereby being aligned with the industrial,religious and political big wigs. Once the sex industry becomes legal then the debate turns to age.

Stukov ago

You just mean underage right, it doesn't matter what sex?

Infopractical ago

I'm personally not concerned with issues of sexuality in the sense of straight vs. gay. Personally, I'm primarily concerned with consent: voluntary vs. involuntary. Voluntary adult sex is not a scandal, whereas adults have sex with children is (outside of simple border cases of teenage couple) criminal for good reason.

The reason I raise the point is in order to encourage people think about what systems of governance work best in helping people remain safe.