The most effective disinformation tells a basically true overall narrative, but mixes in fake evidence and nonsense to poison it.
Ted Gunderson was a COINTELPRO disinformant. COINTELPRO is an FBI program aimed at disrupting dissidents. His goal was actually to discredit claims of elite pedophile rings (and claims about 9/11) by introducing fake evidence, "poisoning the well," giving talks to groups of conspiracy researches to get them to adopt bad evidence and false "tinfoil hat" versions of their theories (e.g. "no plane at the Pentagon"), in order to discredit the true general claims (e.g. 9/11 = inside job) with the general public. He promoted the "Pentagon missile" disinfo, and he promoted the McMartin Preschool case as an example of an elite pedophile ring. The McMartin case is a well-known case of false allegations. The mother who made the initial allegations was crazy. She based it on her son having disrupted bowel movements. The jury exonerated the accused because video showed the interviewers basically coercing the toddlers into saying they were abused, using leading questions that violated California guidelines at the time. One of the kids sent an apology to the LA times as an adult. That case was the real case of false memories that spawned the whole concept.
Gunderson has been a promoter of just about every bogus theory one can come up with: Area 51, reptilians, FEMA internment camps, a United Nations army taking over the United States, chemtrails, "pineapple bombs" at Oklahoma, no-planes on 9/11...
If you call Chemtrails and the Illuminati 'bogus stories', you probably won't like Ted Gunderson's report and that's fine. But to call him a disinformation agent, imho, is a stretch. So far, everything that's included in his report has been verified, and in part, already published. I didn't find anything new, except maybe for info on Michael Aquino, which is very interesting.
Indeed. I was on board with the comment until they said chemtrails was "discredited". The authority won't even acknowledge them enough to even try discrediting them. To me, that's a big red flag. Also, I think it's the people who make such a big deal of the "no plane theory" that are spreading the disinfo. Who cares how 9/11 happened? We just know that it did. None of those things listed have been discredited as far as I know. Surprised that "flat earth" wasn't mentioned to poison the well.
The authority won't even acknowledge them enough to even try discrediting them.
What does this even mean?
Who cares how 9/11 happened? We just know that it did.
Most people don't believe it was an inside job, and pushing crazy, baseless theories as evidence keeps it that way. Disinformation is the number one weapon they use to keep the truth suppressed.
I've never seen any debunking of chemtrails that actually shows a sky full of them and what they actually look like. If you google chemtrail images what comes up are a whole bunch of obvious photo-shopped examples, which is odd, considering they're common enough. So yeah, avoiding the whole question doesn't exactly answer it in any satisfactory way.
It's also odd that the whole "no-planes" nonsense seemed to put to rest the conspiracy theories. Why? No planes is just as believable as the official explanation. And as to who does or does not believe in a conspiracy regarding 9-11, it depends on who you ask. Trump's win shows a massive move away from mainstream media narratives.
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Millennial_Falcon ago
The most effective disinformation tells a basically true overall narrative, but mixes in fake evidence and nonsense to poison it.
Ted Gunderson was a COINTELPRO disinformant. COINTELPRO is an FBI program aimed at disrupting dissidents. His goal was actually to discredit claims of elite pedophile rings (and claims about 9/11) by introducing fake evidence, "poisoning the well," giving talks to groups of conspiracy researches to get them to adopt bad evidence and false "tinfoil hat" versions of their theories (e.g. "no plane at the Pentagon"), in order to discredit the true general claims (e.g. 9/11 = inside job) with the general public. He promoted the "Pentagon missile" disinfo, and he promoted the McMartin Preschool case as an example of an elite pedophile ring. The McMartin case is a well-known case of false allegations. The mother who made the initial allegations was crazy. She based it on her son having disrupted bowel movements. The jury exonerated the accused because video showed the interviewers basically coercing the toddlers into saying they were abused, using leading questions that violated California guidelines at the time. One of the kids sent an apology to the LA times as an adult. That case was the real case of false memories that spawned the whole concept.
Gunderson has been a promoter of just about every bogus theory one can come up with: Area 51, reptilians, FEMA internment camps, a United Nations army taking over the United States, chemtrails, "pineapple bombs" at Oklahoma, no-planes on 9/11...
Flairing as possible disinformation.
YingYangMom ago
If you call Chemtrails and the Illuminati 'bogus stories', you probably won't like Ted Gunderson's report and that's fine. But to call him a disinformation agent, imho, is a stretch. So far, everything that's included in his report has been verified, and in part, already published. I didn't find anything new, except maybe for info on Michael Aquino, which is very interesting.
SlackeryTurnBull ago
Indeed. I was on board with the comment until they said chemtrails was "discredited". The authority won't even acknowledge them enough to even try discrediting them. To me, that's a big red flag. Also, I think it's the people who make such a big deal of the "no plane theory" that are spreading the disinfo. Who cares how 9/11 happened? We just know that it did. None of those things listed have been discredited as far as I know. Surprised that "flat earth" wasn't mentioned to poison the well.
Millennial_Falcon ago
What does this even mean?
Most people don't believe it was an inside job, and pushing crazy, baseless theories as evidence keeps it that way. Disinformation is the number one weapon they use to keep the truth suppressed.
SlackeryTurnBull ago
I've never seen any debunking of chemtrails that actually shows a sky full of them and what they actually look like. If you google chemtrail images what comes up are a whole bunch of obvious photo-shopped examples, which is odd, considering they're common enough. So yeah, avoiding the whole question doesn't exactly answer it in any satisfactory way.
It's also odd that the whole "no-planes" nonsense seemed to put to rest the conspiracy theories. Why? No planes is just as believable as the official explanation. And as to who does or does not believe in a conspiracy regarding 9-11, it depends on who you ask. Trump's win shows a massive move away from mainstream media narratives.