Many a cop has acted on a hunch, many an investigation has started with "associates and habits, hobbies and interests" as a way to refine a picture of a perp.
Pizzagate as a scandal sprang from a culture, a subculture to be exact, and anything relating to that subculture must be allowed to be SPECULATED ON AND THEORIZED ABOUT. That means that art, people, food, habits, family, slang, partying, socializing, jokes, music, religion, politics, names, travel, affairs, pets you name it- the sum total of human activity relating to any person who is part of a pizzagate association must be able to be included in the discussion.
Random arrests, the history of pedophilia, magic, satanism, psychedelics, the CIA/FBI/DNC/RNC/and NGO's, worldwide slavery, mind control and pedophilia operations, organ trafficking, drug trafficking, worldwide trade operations and even animal poaching might all need to be brought into the conversation to understand the whole picture.
What to do? i would say allow more than less, and only if it really smells bad, which is a judgment of taste, take action. Are we at risk of not having enough pixels? aren't tough law enforcement investigations often solved by obscure out of the way incidents and connections that almost nobody noticed? I say go broad and leave the most you can to be archived, searched and revisited.
This isn't the Warren Commission, created to get the best sanitized result. Right?
Is it? Then, let 'er rip.
aren't tough law enforcement investigations often solved by obscure out of the way incidents
Serial killers being caught due to parking tickets is why I like the idea of being open to all kinds of information, so long as it can be reasonably connected to the phenomena that is being exposed by pizzagate. I've said similar here
This whole thing is so much bigger than a series of pizza shops, but that is where it started.
This isn't the Warren Commission, created to get the best sanitized result
I'm worried about it becoming this and also a Mccarthy witch hunt.
It's difficult to walk the very thin line between these difficulties.
Ensuring the community is able to express itself how it chooses is my hope that these rules can support.
McCarthy never ran a "witch hunt" despite what Hollywood movies might try to tell you. Did you know that McCarthy was very effecting in exposing people who were undermining our country by spreading propaganda through Hollywood? He was a pizzagate investigator before pizzagate. His name has been dragged through the mud by the same media who have been dragging our name through the mud.
This is not true whatsoever. McCarthy was not involved in any Congressional hearings involving Hollywood. First off, the House Un-American Activities Committee was in the House, not the Senate and the Hollywood Ten were called before it years before McCarthy mentioned Communism.
McCarthy never got close to anyone significant. He reckless and he did conduct witch hunts. He never justfied his ever-shifting claim of 205 or 57 or 81 Communist in the government. He was a bully and liar and when challenged he doubled down on his lie. His attack on General Marshall was outrageous and craven. Lots of anti-Communists thought he discredited their cause. Especially after the public got to see him actions vs the Army. He was vicious bastard too -- he once kneed a journalist in the groin.
Even the decoded Venona cables does not exonerate him.
Hess, the Rosenbergs, and other big names were the work of others, not McCarthy.
I came to the conclusion McCarthy was largely correct in his anti-communist campaign from Arthur Herman's biography "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator" and I've cringed at the usages and assumptions when people talk about McCarthyism ever since. I think your rundown ignores the Mockingbird (reminder) media of the day and how they twisted and attacked him. His personal faults like alcoholism don't negate what he was right about. Nor does him being an asshole at times. I could be wrong, but that is where I'm at.
Tell that to John Paton Davies and General Zwicker.
Does largely correct allow for the fact that he lied about 205 Communists working in the State Department and shaping policy?
Does largely correct account for his smears of Acheson and Marshall?
His claim a group of Soviet spies was operating out of Fort Monmouth?
His secret list of 130 subversives in Defense plants that he would not turn over to the Attorney General?
McCarthy used Commie-hunting as means to achieve personal fame and power. He used a blunderbluss approach and didn't really care if his targets were innocent or guilty and when challeneged on his veracity or his methods, he turn his barrels on his own allies. His bullying and smearing of witnesses made Congress change how investigations were done. He had 4 and half years of fame before he was rightly condemned by his fellow Senators in a bipartisan vote.
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VieBleu ago
Many a cop has acted on a hunch, many an investigation has started with "associates and habits, hobbies and interests" as a way to refine a picture of a perp.
Pizzagate as a scandal sprang from a culture, a subculture to be exact, and anything relating to that subculture must be allowed to be SPECULATED ON AND THEORIZED ABOUT. That means that art, people, food, habits, family, slang, partying, socializing, jokes, music, religion, politics, names, travel, affairs, pets you name it- the sum total of human activity relating to any person who is part of a pizzagate association must be able to be included in the discussion.
Random arrests, the history of pedophilia, magic, satanism, psychedelics, the CIA/FBI/DNC/RNC/and NGO's, worldwide slavery, mind control and pedophilia operations, organ trafficking, drug trafficking, worldwide trade operations and even animal poaching might all need to be brought into the conversation to understand the whole picture.
What to do? i would say allow more than less, and only if it really smells bad, which is a judgment of taste, take action. Are we at risk of not having enough pixels? aren't tough law enforcement investigations often solved by obscure out of the way incidents and connections that almost nobody noticed? I say go broad and leave the most you can to be archived, searched and revisited.
This isn't the Warren Commission, created to get the best sanitized result. Right?
Is it? Then, let 'er rip.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Serial killers being caught due to parking tickets is why I like the idea of being open to all kinds of information, so long as it can be reasonably connected to the phenomena that is being exposed by pizzagate.
I've said similar here
This whole thing is so much bigger than a series of pizza shops, but that is where it started.
I'm worried about it becoming this and also a Mccarthy witch hunt.
It's difficult to walk the very thin line between these difficulties.
Ensuring the community is able to express itself how it chooses is my hope that these rules can support.
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
McCarthy never ran a "witch hunt" despite what Hollywood movies might try to tell you. Did you know that McCarthy was very effecting in exposing people who were undermining our country by spreading propaganda through Hollywood? He was a pizzagate investigator before pizzagate. His name has been dragged through the mud by the same media who have been dragging our name through the mud.
Ann Coulter summarizes this well
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2007-11-07.html
AreWeSure ago
This is not true whatsoever. McCarthy was not involved in any Congressional hearings involving Hollywood. First off, the House Un-American Activities Committee was in the House, not the Senate and the Hollywood Ten were called before it years before McCarthy mentioned Communism.
McCarthy never got close to anyone significant. He reckless and he did conduct witch hunts. He never justfied his ever-shifting claim of 205 or 57 or 81 Communist in the government. He was a bully and liar and when challenged he doubled down on his lie. His attack on General Marshall was outrageous and craven. Lots of anti-Communists thought he discredited their cause. Especially after the public got to see him actions vs the Army. He was vicious bastard too -- he once kneed a journalist in the groin.
Even the decoded Venona cables does not exonerate him.
Hess, the Rosenbergs, and other big names were the work of others, not McCarthy.
eggmunkee ago
I came to the conclusion McCarthy was largely correct in his anti-communist campaign from Arthur Herman's biography "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator" and I've cringed at the usages and assumptions when people talk about McCarthyism ever since. I think your rundown ignores the Mockingbird (reminder) media of the day and how they twisted and attacked him. His personal faults like alcoholism don't negate what he was right about. Nor does him being an asshole at times. I could be wrong, but that is where I'm at.
AreWeSure ago
Tell that to John Paton Davies and General Zwicker.
Does largely correct allow for the fact that he lied about 205 Communists working in the State Department and shaping policy?
Does largely correct account for his smears of Acheson and Marshall?
His claim a group of Soviet spies was operating out of Fort Monmouth?
His secret list of 130 subversives in Defense plants that he would not turn over to the Attorney General?
McCarthy used Commie-hunting as means to achieve personal fame and power. He used a blunderbluss approach and didn't really care if his targets were innocent or guilty and when challeneged on his veracity or his methods, he turn his barrels on his own allies. His bullying and smearing of witnesses made Congress change how investigations were done. He had 4 and half years of fame before he was rightly condemned by his fellow Senators in a bipartisan vote.