I'm a bit mixed on this, so I'll try to figure out how to effectively get my thoughts out:
1) #PizzaGate, and it's core, is about investigating if something nefarious is going on specifically in regards to pedophilia among the elites. It started from what seem to be code words in John Podesta's emails via WikiLeaks. Also involved is this idea that elites at the top protect each other so we can't depend on typical investigative bodies to do their job without pressure. The goal of #PizzaGate is to help gather the evidence to create societal pressure to force these agencies to do real investigations, and also force politicians to take actions if other elites are blocking investigations. #PizzaGate is not about accusing people or putting people on trial, however, forming hypotheses are key to a hypothesis investigation.
There are other aspects that have potential, such as the satanic occult aspect, but these other "optional" aspects really aren't a part of the core of #PizzaGate, and so #PizzaGate can survive even if these aspects aren't true. So, for instance, if there is a pedophile ring among the elites but no satanism, #PizzaGate continues. If there is satanism with no pedophile ring, #PizzaGate largely dies out. If there are sacrificial killings with no pedophilia, #PizzaGate could potentially morph into being more about satanism, but I think that would be a large change.
2) About how broad or narrow the investigation should be, I think a lot of the disagreement comes from whether rings such as the Norwegian pedophile ring are actually the same ring or separate rings from a potential American pedophile ring. I think the only way to know this is to actually investigate to see if there are connections, which is why I favor allowing talk of any ring that includes convictions or arrests of pedophile elites anywhere in the world, especially if it's recently. I don't think it's relevant to have posts where individual pedophiles are being caught. For instance, the story where a Santa and his elves in Milwaukee, WI beat up a pedophile stepfather was just clutter and had absolutely nothing to do with #PizzaGate.
About satanism, I understand allowing some really good posts about satanism that maybe don't directly tie just to help people understand how these cults work, but it needs to be limited. Also, preferably, this should be limited to the type of satanism that are likely close to what the elites surrounding John Podesta actually practice. But really, these need to be limited. These types of posts are getting very far from #PizzaGate, and we don't need to go super in-depth about teach people about these cultish practices without stronger evidence of satanism in a form that matters (such as actually driving pedophilia).
3) This will probably be an unpopular position here, but information overload is actually a form of censorship. If we censor absolutely nothing, the few good things will get pushed down while the majority of crappy stuff will dominate, because it's harder to make a really good and accurate post than a bad and/or inaccurate post. We need to value the good posts, and if posts get pushed down really quickly, there isn't enough time for voaters to upvoat the really good stuff to keep it on the front page. The more information and investigators we have, the more we need to limit what is posted. Think about in a football game where a Quarterback is trying to make a call, and all of the fans are yelling, some of the Quarterback's information gets through, but much of what the Quarterback says gets lost.
4) I think we need to recognize that there are a lot of conspiracy theorists looking to make money on this. They aren't trying to further #PizzaGate, they are trying to build up their Youtube channels, sell books, etc. This is not good for the #PizzaGate Movement, as it makes us look very conspiratorial (when most people here aren't actually conspiracy theorists outside of #PizzaGate), and it is just clutter getting in the way of finding the truth.
Lets remember where we came from. Places like Reddit, Twitter, and even Youtube to a large extent have been completely censoring #PizzaGate. Voat is allowing the discussion to take place. That doesn't mean that we have to go to the extreme on the other end and censor nothing. And Voat has protections in place that if a moderator censors something, we can actually see that. I have seen nothing so far to think that the moderators are over-censoring, and if anything, I think they have been slightly under-censoring where some valuable information has been lost in favor of useless information.
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atheist4thecause ago
I'm a bit mixed on this, so I'll try to figure out how to effectively get my thoughts out:
1) #PizzaGate, and it's core, is about investigating if something nefarious is going on specifically in regards to pedophilia among the elites. It started from what seem to be code words in John Podesta's emails via WikiLeaks. Also involved is this idea that elites at the top protect each other so we can't depend on typical investigative bodies to do their job without pressure. The goal of #PizzaGate is to help gather the evidence to create societal pressure to force these agencies to do real investigations, and also force politicians to take actions if other elites are blocking investigations. #PizzaGate is not about accusing people or putting people on trial, however, forming hypotheses are key to a hypothesis investigation.
There are other aspects that have potential, such as the satanic occult aspect, but these other "optional" aspects really aren't a part of the core of #PizzaGate, and so #PizzaGate can survive even if these aspects aren't true. So, for instance, if there is a pedophile ring among the elites but no satanism, #PizzaGate continues. If there is satanism with no pedophile ring, #PizzaGate largely dies out. If there are sacrificial killings with no pedophilia, #PizzaGate could potentially morph into being more about satanism, but I think that would be a large change.
2) About how broad or narrow the investigation should be, I think a lot of the disagreement comes from whether rings such as the Norwegian pedophile ring are actually the same ring or separate rings from a potential American pedophile ring. I think the only way to know this is to actually investigate to see if there are connections, which is why I favor allowing talk of any ring that includes convictions or arrests of pedophile elites anywhere in the world, especially if it's recently. I don't think it's relevant to have posts where individual pedophiles are being caught. For instance, the story where a Santa and his elves in Milwaukee, WI beat up a pedophile stepfather was just clutter and had absolutely nothing to do with #PizzaGate.
About satanism, I understand allowing some really good posts about satanism that maybe don't directly tie just to help people understand how these cults work, but it needs to be limited. Also, preferably, this should be limited to the type of satanism that are likely close to what the elites surrounding John Podesta actually practice. But really, these need to be limited. These types of posts are getting very far from #PizzaGate, and we don't need to go super in-depth about teach people about these cultish practices without stronger evidence of satanism in a form that matters (such as actually driving pedophilia).
3) This will probably be an unpopular position here, but information overload is actually a form of censorship. If we censor absolutely nothing, the few good things will get pushed down while the majority of crappy stuff will dominate, because it's harder to make a really good and accurate post than a bad and/or inaccurate post. We need to value the good posts, and if posts get pushed down really quickly, there isn't enough time for voaters to upvoat the really good stuff to keep it on the front page. The more information and investigators we have, the more we need to limit what is posted. Think about in a football game where a Quarterback is trying to make a call, and all of the fans are yelling, some of the Quarterback's information gets through, but much of what the Quarterback says gets lost.
4) I think we need to recognize that there are a lot of conspiracy theorists looking to make money on this. They aren't trying to further #PizzaGate, they are trying to build up their Youtube channels, sell books, etc. This is not good for the #PizzaGate Movement, as it makes us look very conspiratorial (when most people here aren't actually conspiracy theorists outside of #PizzaGate), and it is just clutter getting in the way of finding the truth.
Lets remember where we came from. Places like Reddit, Twitter, and even Youtube to a large extent have been completely censoring #PizzaGate. Voat is allowing the discussion to take place. That doesn't mean that we have to go to the extreme on the other end and censor nothing. And Voat has protections in place that if a moderator censors something, we can actually see that. I have seen nothing so far to think that the moderators are over-censoring, and if anything, I think they have been slightly under-censoring where some valuable information has been lost in favor of useless information.