Remember that with the number of people researching this, statistically some of them are going to die. Knowing how he died would be useful in establishing whether it was related to PG or not.
Yeah, unless he had a huge smoking gun, they wouldn't have murdered him over Pizzagate. The cat's already out of the bag; tens of thousands of people are actively investigating. Also, even if he was killed over Pizzagate, there's no reason to assume it had anything to do with him messaging Frank Winstead. If he was investigating Pizzagate, he would have been looking into all kinds of leads. I don't even think Frank Winstead is a genuine lead. I got downvoted a good bit for saying it, but if you actually read the facts of the story, Winstead's attack on Comet probably had absolutely nothing to do with Pizzagate. This came up back in /r/pizzagate days and most people seemed to agree it was probably unrelated, once they actually dug into the story. A lot of people on here don't seem to understand how dangerous and damaging confirmation bias is to our credibility.
Yes, it's so important to not get carried away and to realise that maintaining credibility is THE most important thing. The attitude we should all be taking is to try to prove that PG is false - question everything, make sure all our evidence and sources are watertight. Getting carried away without taking a breath and calmly evaluating and assessing the situation, information, evidence etc, will only damage the investigation.
you are both absolutely correct. But from another perspective, when professional law enforcers REFUSE TO DO THEIR JOB on widely, publicly known evidence of serious concern - then the establishment knows ordinary citizens who are untrained in investigations and the rules of jurisprudence will feel compelled to take up the cudgel
Yes our community makes many erroneous conclusions - but its on THEIR head that this is occurring
Yes you are 100% right, of course people will make mistakes as investigative journalists and private investigators/researchers etc spend years learning how to do it. The people who have learned how to do this and are paid for doing it, aren't, so yeah we all have to muddle through with it. It's good though for those of us with research experience to hand out advice and stuff I think!
I prefer to think that yes, the FBI has all the research we have and more - its just that they dont have the backing in the DOJ to make good of the prosecutions they want to bring to bear.
This is why I'm not to fussed about unequivocal 'smoking gun' evidence - I'm sure the FBI already hs it in spades - OUR JOB is to make the public outrage so visceral that the political apparatus has to act or lose the consent of the governed. Even if the best that means is a fratricidal war within the paedo-mafia that halves its powers and numbers.
But look. Unless they kill the internet altogether, The Awakening is unstoppable. The paedo mafia have grown so much, they have so many peripheral players, they all spend time on the internet - they are leaving far more evidence of their crimes than they were 100 years ago. Pizzagate's power is not so much in simply the disgusting activities of Podesta suggested therein - its THE WEB that spins off from it into every other paedo-scandal in the last 10 years. Many thought they were incidental / separate abberrations. Pizzagate shows us they are all part of a central diabolical plan.
Which is great. We plunge a stake in the right heart and the whole thing falls apart.
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SpikyAube ago
Remember that with the number of people researching this, statistically some of them are going to die. Knowing how he died would be useful in establishing whether it was related to PG or not.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Yeah, unless he had a huge smoking gun, they wouldn't have murdered him over Pizzagate. The cat's already out of the bag; tens of thousands of people are actively investigating. Also, even if he was killed over Pizzagate, there's no reason to assume it had anything to do with him messaging Frank Winstead. If he was investigating Pizzagate, he would have been looking into all kinds of leads. I don't even think Frank Winstead is a genuine lead. I got downvoted a good bit for saying it, but if you actually read the facts of the story, Winstead's attack on Comet probably had absolutely nothing to do with Pizzagate. This came up back in /r/pizzagate days and most people seemed to agree it was probably unrelated, once they actually dug into the story. A lot of people on here don't seem to understand how dangerous and damaging confirmation bias is to our credibility.
SpikyAube ago
Yes, it's so important to not get carried away and to realise that maintaining credibility is THE most important thing. The attitude we should all be taking is to try to prove that PG is false - question everything, make sure all our evidence and sources are watertight. Getting carried away without taking a breath and calmly evaluating and assessing the situation, information, evidence etc, will only damage the investigation.
MolochHunter ago
you are both absolutely correct. But from another perspective, when professional law enforcers REFUSE TO DO THEIR JOB on widely, publicly known evidence of serious concern - then the establishment knows ordinary citizens who are untrained in investigations and the rules of jurisprudence will feel compelled to take up the cudgel
Yes our community makes many erroneous conclusions - but its on THEIR head that this is occurring
SpikyAube ago
Yes you are 100% right, of course people will make mistakes as investigative journalists and private investigators/researchers etc spend years learning how to do it. The people who have learned how to do this and are paid for doing it, aren't, so yeah we all have to muddle through with it. It's good though for those of us with research experience to hand out advice and stuff I think!
MolochHunter ago
I prefer to think that yes, the FBI has all the research we have and more - its just that they dont have the backing in the DOJ to make good of the prosecutions they want to bring to bear. This is why I'm not to fussed about unequivocal 'smoking gun' evidence - I'm sure the FBI already hs it in spades - OUR JOB is to make the public outrage so visceral that the political apparatus has to act or lose the consent of the governed. Even if the best that means is a fratricidal war within the paedo-mafia that halves its powers and numbers.
But look. Unless they kill the internet altogether, The Awakening is unstoppable. The paedo mafia have grown so much, they have so many peripheral players, they all spend time on the internet - they are leaving far more evidence of their crimes than they were 100 years ago. Pizzagate's power is not so much in simply the disgusting activities of Podesta suggested therein - its THE WEB that spins off from it into every other paedo-scandal in the last 10 years. Many thought they were incidental / separate abberrations. Pizzagate shows us they are all part of a central diabolical plan. Which is great. We plunge a stake in the right heart and the whole thing falls apart.