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SheSaidDestroy ago

However, his home had been loaned to friends of his- John and Tony Podesta.

Do we have a primary source for this claim, in particular?

The full snippet is:

Police in Suffolk have confirmed the now-known Pedaphile, Clement Freud, was out of the country when Madeleine was abducted. However, his home had been loaned to friends of his- John and Tony Podesta.

Which I'm finding in the overall piece being copy/pasted across multiple sites, but is there a primary source for the claim about the Podestas having occupied the home of Clement Freud?

The article being referenced the most seems to be this one: http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/11/do-john-and-tony-podesta-have-a-connection-with-missing-child-madeleine-mccann/

In which they claim their source is an "FBI insider" -

One of our FBI insiders can confirmed the Intelligence community indicates John and Tony Podesta were in Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd 2007– the day Madaline McCann vanished.

Given everything, this claim is very plausible, but it's not the same thing as a primary source, such as a statement from the actual Suffolk police. Furthermore, same guy in video (sounds like) actually reached out to the Suffolk police and actually asked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6TX1RSFGIU

The Suffolk police responded and denied the claim.

Please everyone be very careful not to fall for bait like this.

Be ever vigilant and mindful that TPTB want to bait pizzagate investigators with "fake news" in order to sway public opinion. Be mindful that TPTB have an easy time establishing themselves as controlled opposition and operating in a psyop manner. They are fully aware that our natural human desire for JUSTICE and for the rescue and protection of child victims is incredibly strong, and that therefore many of us feel DESPERATE to find the 'smoking gun' or otherwise strong evidence/proof to nail these perpetrators. This does not mean we are fools, but rather that we are human beings with our morality in tact.

But those who work against our efforts to expose this corruption will try to use that as a weakness against us. We must be mindful and vigilant about this.

KansasJakeBG ago

There is NO PRIMARY CLAIM FOR THIS. The apparition of these sketches in 2013 is very mysterious. We are witnessing people inside law enforcement do things that indicate there is a war between FBI and CIA on this front.

Other avenues that make no sense to me:

Murdoch's bulldog protege, Rebekah Brooks, in 2012 lead the charge for the last burst of investigation in to the McCann case and this is what prompted the release of these sketches. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/rebekah-brooks-accused-of-bullying-government-over-mccanns-7737611.html

Murdoch's daughter was married to Clement Freud's son, who is a PR maven in the UK.

We know Clement Freud, the "lugubrious" pedophile who befriended the McCanns after the abduction, had an alibi.

But that is all we know.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Right you are. Flairing "accuracy in question."

ExplainerOfThings ago

very plausible, but it's not the same thing as a primary source,

So don't let them accuse you of spreading fake news. Due Diligence, prove what you know.

Don-Keyhote ago

is that guy on voat? how can he send such an embarrassingly poorly-written email and then publicize it?

lawfag123 ago

Very very happy to see this type of source-checking.

christa ago

Yeah, in the video the narrator says he's going to link to that initial article, but we don't see such a link in the description. Until he provides that, I'm skeptical of the allegation, although I do suspect the Podestas are highly likely to be those in the 'police sketch'.

Birdzeyeview ago

the freakin sketch never came from the POlice!

christa ago

Mmmhmm. I know. This is why I put it in quotes, because 'police sketch' is typically the term - I never said it came FROM the police. I mean, technically it's not a 'sketch' either, so pleae stop obsessing over an arbitrary detail that doesn't mean what you think it does - we are aware it came from who the McCann's sought help from....

contrary_mma_hipster ago

The police sketch was just the local Law Enforcement dry snitching on the Podestas since they weren't allowed to make an arrest. Thank you, nameless officers.

Freemasonsrus ago

I can't imagine it being anything else. Unless it was a "witness" who came in and helped create those pics. Someone there to do the same job as you refer to the police possibly doing, except an insider threatening themed others for some reason. I could also see those being created by an insider when they were actually innocent, again as a threat. Parents have always seemed innocent to me

Alpo ago

According to this and other articles, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html the efits weren't made by local police but by private investigators hired by the McCanns.

"In 2008, the McCanns used money from their charity fund to hire investigators from a firm called Oakley International, led by former MI5 surveillance officer Henri Exton, to look into the mystery – and they focused on the Smith sighting. They produced a dossier and called for the E-fits to be published. They also suggested Madeleine could have died after wandering off."

christa ago

How'd you conclude that?

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

Yeah this dude above is concern trollin calling the efits fake news

christa ago

Well the writers of the site linked are making a sensational claim that the Podestas stayed in Clement Freud's home nearby without citing ANY evidence supporting this. I wouldn't say he's "concern trollin'"...

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

He literally labeled this fake news. I dont think youre cut out for this conspiracy stuff just stick to the mainstream media

christa ago

Please show me where "the dude above" labeled the e-fits "fake news"?

I find it really interesting you jump to make conclusions about me when I'm a mod who takes the entire investigation super seriously, and I don't watch mainstream news unless I feel like punishing myself for some reason.

Sorry if my opinion offended you so much that you felt compelled to be condescending for no justifiable reason, I guess... but that's the kind of attitude that alienates people from pizzagate information and deters them from learning more, so I'd say you're less "cut out" for it.

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

Learn how to read b4 u come lecturing me on some bullshit "Be ever vigilant and mindful that TPTB want to bait pizzagate investigators with "fake news" in order to sway public opinion. "

christa ago

All he said was that they want to bait us with "fake news" and you should keep it in mind. That certainly is not calling the e-fits fake news -- he's just telling you to be mindful of potential traps.

But ok.

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

What level reading comprehension are u operating at? Quit falling for these shills' bullshit.

HashTagFU ago

STFU doucebag.

christa ago

I'm content with it being vastly higher than yours. To prove this I'll ask you a question that I'm confident you won't be able to answer, and I'll even try to help you out a little:

Again, show me where he called the E-FITS "fake news"?

Hint: He never did.

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

Okay then summarize the purpose of his post for me. What was his point? In response to what? UPDATE: I read his post again, doesnt look like a shill. He's pointing out this video is bullshit, but does it in a roundabout manner. Sorry my mistake. I recognize the voice on the video.

christa ago

He was referring to what he had quoted. This:

Police in Suffolk have confirmed the now-known Pedaphile, Clement Freud, was out of the country when Madeleine was abducted. However, his home had been loaned to friends of his- John and Tony Podesta.

That is the aspect of the video that he was considering could possibly be a "fake" allegation. This is why he goes on to further elaborate that while plausible, it seems to be false because "Police in Suffolk" never confirmed this. So he is telling us to be mindful of sensational claims like "Police confirmed the Podestas stayed at Clement Freud's" because they might be purposely planted misinfo or just plain false.

He wasn't saying the E-Fits were fake at all.

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

Why do bullshit posts like this always get voted up so high?

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

Its all bullshit. Cops never confirmed one way or another. All they did is deny that they confirmed it. Its literally meaningless. You cant use that as an argument to why the efits would be planted disinfo. The efits are a dead ringer. Nobody can tell me those arent significant. Maybe the guy is a shill, its getting harder and harder to spot, theyre becoming more nuanced.

christa ago

I agree with him, we should be careful about purposeful disinfo meant to mislead us, 'cause it'll bite us in the ass later and be used to discredit the entire thing -- we've already seen some attempts at this.

That said, I 100% think the e-fits are real and significant. If they weren't genuine, the Podestas would have jumped on the opportunity to say they weren't in Portugal and that's definitely not them. On the other hand, to say they stayed at Freud's is just speculation if you have zero means to prove it or make the connection. For now (trust me, I'd love to make that connection).

HomeboyChrisBanned ago

Disinfo: spot it and call it out. Dont obsess on every "mistake" we make. We're amatuers and this is not a courtroom. If we wanna talk about disinfo, talk about how Alex Jones pushed the "newcummers" document. And ignored the download page. The media should be able to distinguish between disinfo and real info. If they cant do that theyre garbage.

UglyTruth ago

The house purchases add significance to the efits

http://forum.clonehost.net/post/431

RebelSkum ago

I very much agree with the overall point. I feel like too many things without vested interest in #Pizzagate point to the Podestas being in Praia da Luz, though, so I think it's important to remember. Honestly, until Madeleine's case is solved, there has been around 40 other people interrogated for their involvement and it seems like the Podestas and Clement Freud could afford and explanation at the very least. Plenty of other "loose connections" have been explored at this point.

ALDO_NOVA ago

Clement died in 2009 so there's that

RebelSkum ago

Thanks for that undeniably good point. Still wouldn't exclude the Podestas as having valuable info though as they could possibly account for Clement's whereabouts.

Konran ago

Clement Freud could afford and [sic] explanation at the very least

That might be difficult seeing as he is dead.

Don-Keyhote ago

If they were there they entered and left through the garage in tinted cars, cuz I went there and interviewed many locals. The place is the size of your living room and not only did no one recall their ugly-ass faces but no one had ever been shown the efits either.

The efits were suppressed by the McCanns themselves according to this account: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.0

RebelSkum ago

One of the Wiki team looked into the source of the Efits. Interesting stuff: http://pizzagate.wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

2impendingdoom ago

right, confirmation one way or another. There should be records of entry if the Podestas flew into Portugal.

RebelSkum ago

Those records would be great, but it's been 9 years. I would be willing to bet those don't exist anymore, but that's just my pessimism talking.

Cantilever ago

Thanks for the reminder. Nice catch!