Edit: To the people downvoting: not sure how many of you are shills, and how many are just uninformed, but please get informed about this guy's actual complaints before you downvote me for fighting disinformation. An example of how quickly disinformation spreads is how people in this thread are saying this guy accused Alefantis of rape and murder. Not even close to true! He claimed that such a venue being open so late would bring rape and murder to the area (i.e. it would be a crime magnet). You have to understand that fake evidence like this is the NUMBER ONE tool the enemy is using to disrupt our investigation. It wastes our time and ends up discrediting us for confirmation bias.
This post is old news (was discovered back in the /r/pizzagate days) and completely unrelated to Pizzagate. This was an overactive neighborhood association member trying to keep outside traffic out of his neighborhood.
Here's an article that covers the dispute in a bit more detail:
Rule #8 of Truth Suppression: "Dismiss charges as 'old news'."
I don't see how this isn't connected to Pizzagate. It proves that someone was onto Alefantis almost a decade ago... perhaps for entirely different reasons.
I had never heard about the rules of truth suppression, but after reading your comment, I suspected that was a former publication. Just checked it out, good stuff. Thanks for saying something.
I'll be honest, I had never heard of this stuff either. I have no idea who wrote it all out or how accurate it is, whether or not any of those tactics are being used here. It all seems like it makes sense to me, even if I don't fully understand their game. But understanding their techniques and terminology go a long way toward being informed. Sifting through the bullshit becomes easier when you know how your enemy thinks and talks.
I'm learning as I go.
I don't know that @millennial_falcon is specifically employing disinformation strategies, I honestly haven't taken the time to look into it that heavily. I am not accusing him of anything nefarious but I am skeptical of the entire mod team (every user, really); when I see some bullshit, I feel like I need to call it out.
And I see that several folks agree with my assessment.
Well, since you pinged me, I'll reply. If you look through my comment history, you will see me promoting good evidence, and questioning questionable evidence. It would be really ironic for anyone to suggest I'm promoting disinformation, as disinformation is the main threat I have been fighting since this investigation began. I also spent several days putting together the current Pizzagate summary sticky, and I continue to work on it, as time allows. A lot of people hear don't seem to get how damaging confirmation bias is to our credibility. People in this thread immediately assumed Winstead's concerns were Pizzagate-related, without actually investigating what it was really about. That kind of frenzied irrationality is very harmful to our efforts. People in this thread are actually saying Winstead accused Alefantis of rape and murder. Nope. He accused him of making a "haven for rape and murder." If you look at the context, he meant that Comet being open late would attract crimes such as rape and murder.
Did you download the audio recording and listen to it? There's actually something interesting happening in the meeting. Alefantis brought a whole crowd along to boo the bloke, and some stood up to personally threaten the guy. Winstead got pissed off, but it was a premeditated attack against Winstead. The article doesn't even write the full story, it was more about "operating post-midnight" than about having ping pong tables outside, as far as I recall.
The important thing is that Winstead clearly considered Alefantis to be scum. This is important considering Alefantis has shown no such traits during the Megan Kelly interview, so obviously he has a side to him that he hasn't shown on TV.
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QuestionEverything ago
Dont direct traffic at these assholes. Archive ftw.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Edit: To the people downvoting: not sure how many of you are shills, and how many are just uninformed, but please get informed about this guy's actual complaints before you downvote me for fighting disinformation. An example of how quickly disinformation spreads is how people in this thread are saying this guy accused Alefantis of rape and murder. Not even close to true! He claimed that such a venue being open so late would bring rape and murder to the area (i.e. it would be a crime magnet). You have to understand that fake evidence like this is the NUMBER ONE tool the enemy is using to disrupt our investigation. It wastes our time and ends up discrediting us for confirmation bias.
This post is old news (was discovered back in the /r/pizzagate days) and completely unrelated to Pizzagate. This was an overactive neighborhood association member trying to keep outside traffic out of his neighborhood.
Here's an article that covers the dispute in a bit more detail:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120212231251/http://dcist.com/2008/06/18/small_victory_for_comet_ping_pong_a.php
Not going to delete, but flairing for relevance.
eMalum ago
Rule #8 of Truth Suppression: "Dismiss charges as 'old news'."
I don't see how this isn't connected to Pizzagate. It proves that someone was onto Alefantis almost a decade ago... perhaps for entirely different reasons.
mrjdouble ago
I had never heard about the rules of truth suppression, but after reading your comment, I suspected that was a former publication. Just checked it out, good stuff. Thanks for saying something.
eMalum ago
I'll be honest, I had never heard of this stuff either. I have no idea who wrote it all out or how accurate it is, whether or not any of those tactics are being used here. It all seems like it makes sense to me, even if I don't fully understand their game. But understanding their techniques and terminology go a long way toward being informed. Sifting through the bullshit becomes easier when you know how your enemy thinks and talks.
I'm learning as I go.
I don't know that @millennial_falcon is specifically employing disinformation strategies, I honestly haven't taken the time to look into it that heavily. I am not accusing him of anything nefarious but I am skeptical of the entire mod team (every user, really); when I see some bullshit, I feel like I need to call it out.
And I see that several folks agree with my assessment.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Well, since you pinged me, I'll reply. If you look through my comment history, you will see me promoting good evidence, and questioning questionable evidence. It would be really ironic for anyone to suggest I'm promoting disinformation, as disinformation is the main threat I have been fighting since this investigation began. I also spent several days putting together the current Pizzagate summary sticky, and I continue to work on it, as time allows. A lot of people hear don't seem to get how damaging confirmation bias is to our credibility. People in this thread immediately assumed Winstead's concerns were Pizzagate-related, without actually investigating what it was really about. That kind of frenzied irrationality is very harmful to our efforts. People in this thread are actually saying Winstead accused Alefantis of rape and murder. Nope. He accused him of making a "haven for rape and murder." If you look at the context, he meant that Comet being open late would attract crimes such as rape and murder.
redberries ago
Did you download the audio recording and listen to it? There's actually something interesting happening in the meeting. Alefantis brought a whole crowd along to boo the bloke, and some stood up to personally threaten the guy. Winstead got pissed off, but it was a premeditated attack against Winstead. The article doesn't even write the full story, it was more about "operating post-midnight" than about having ping pong tables outside, as far as I recall.
The important thing is that Winstead clearly considered Alefantis to be scum. This is important considering Alefantis has shown no such traits during the Megan Kelly interview, so obviously he has a side to him that he hasn't shown on TV.