Guys, I understand the frustration of seemingly 'non-sequiturs' and the call for MODS on here to keep better control. In a way, though, isnt EVERYTHING linked to Pizzagate? Whether its false flags here or around the world, celebrities, Hollywood, arms dealing, drugs in South America, literally, ALL ROADS lead back to Pizzagate, that is, absolute corruption and exploitation at the heart of the political system.
Someone posted a video about Joan Rivers being bumped off a few posts down and commentators have screamed 'irrelevancy'... actually, it IS pretty relevant to Pizzagate. A corrupt and covert operation as the first family in the White House, pushing the Gay and Transgender issues? Where else have we come across a DC based corrupt and covert operation? Oh yes. PIZZAGATE.
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massconception ago
Yes, I find the new strict rules are counterproductive as soon as I read them. They leave absolutely zero amount of room for what would be considered "brain storming", or "throwing ideas out there", which are exactly what you need when things start to run a little "cold" an in investigation. It was very rude for the mod to show up making that demand while also seeming impartial. Whoever asked for that demand or for this mod to come around is counterproductive to pizzagate, no matter how much they congratulate his or her self on being a staunch supporter.
2impendingdoom ago
its not just the demand for relevancy that distracts from the conversation (in some cases the connection is obvious, yet the questioner remains unreasonable) its the down voating that goes with it. This is pure contention and distracts from the investigations.
massconception ago
I agree. I held up this contention a few days before the recent mass downvoating. People in this sub who don't ra-ra PG like it's a religion replete with doctrinal beliefs never gets an upvote and often gets a downvote.
I hope my point has been made a bit more clear now that there's a nice, contentious-yet-orthodox background to show stark contrast.
2impendingdoom ago
I think we are here, and all in this together, is because we want to find the extent of the corruption and get justice served for the victims. Anyone in this forum who acts contrary to that is obstructing our efforts, and the freedom of speech that we rely on for our work. The rules work as guidelines but pizzagate is a nomenclature for global schemes involving any kind of systemic corruption undertaken by abuse of authority. It is most egregious where it involves abuse of children but that is probably just one aspect of a larger network of criminality. Downvoating or calling for mods because the thread is not about a pizzashop is contrary to the pursuit of pizzagate investigations. All of us here are intelligent enough to decide for ourselves what is of interest and how it relates, and what not to pursuit. I suggest that for the many repeating threads we can simply and politely direct the poster to use the search and move on without voating one way or another, and to keep the titles as descriptive as possible.
massconception ago
That sounds largely parallel to my own line of thinking. And I like that you stress how everything we find is not always going to come anywhere close to a pizza restaurant.
Well, that kind of pokes a big hole in pizzagate now that I think about it. Pizzagate's "planetoid" if you will is James Alefantis and the Comet Ping Pong establishment. Which, under entirely other circumstances seems like a crazy sort of place that I would enjoy eating pizza at if I ever dared to even set foot in DC, except for the ping pong. I fucking hate ping pong, because I find it boring and ludicrous, and far too constrained. I don't dislike net games overall: I'm good at volleyball and I love badminton. If their sport of choice were volleyball or badminton I would have to excuse myself from the investigation because I'd be laughing too much. CPP seems like a synthesis of art-pop and "underground aesthetics" that I enjoy, having frequented a lot of the underground music and art scenes in my own locale.
One thing I do want to stress, though, is that those music and art scenes I've visited do contain sketchy persons who make one too many sick pedo jokes for me to be comfortable with them. Sadly this kind of sense of "humour" is bird of feather with the alternative lifestyle scene, meaning many of my gay/trans/tranny friends rub elbows with people I suspect of being sick perverts. Suffice it to say I've been out of that scene for quite some time as it became I was offending a lot of my closer friends with outbursts against "faggots". Nothing hurts worse than being in a car full of bisexuals going to a club and blurting out something about "those faggots" and having your close friends all go "yeah. fucking faggots" and knowing that you just made them all feel like human shit.
What I'm saying is, the focus has become larger than Alefantis' weird little Satanic Daycare Pizzeria, and therefore pizzagate itself is no longer strictly pizzagate at this point in time, as you point out so well. Which means some of the more important newer discoveries, dealing with things such as "why the hell are so many island-based orphanages and human trafficking headquarters even in existence let alone seemingly all complicit", or "how does this relate to Norway and Hillary Clinton", are off-topic and yet precisely on-topic.
It's a conundrum. Maybe pizzagate needs to be cut from the directory tree (I presume there is one) and turned into a subdirectory of a larger topic. It would get the investigators here turned onto the larger pursuit of figuring out the global pedophilia cult.
2impendingdoom ago
For me its curling. How is that a real sport?? And your question, Which means some of the more important newer discoveries, dealing with things such as "why the hell are so many island-based orphanages and human trafficking headquarters even in existence let alone seemingly all complicit" its seems the more of them (orphanages) there are, the higher the number of missing children, wouldn't anyone expect those statistics to GO DOWN? I don't think there should be any splinter subs, we should make more effort adding to the wiki. I am not and I should be.
gopluckyourself ago
As the user who is doing all of this I would like to say I'm doing it to try to keep everyone at the very least to keep asking questions and make the post about pizzagate. Joan Rivers transgender fake death (trump in video) is not about pizzagate. Hence I asked mods to delete it. Minimal effort to relate it to pizzagate I believe is needed otherwise we're in /v/whatever
edit: also the rules aren't new they've been there for a while. I'm just helping point out their violations.
massconception ago
I disdain to see that a simple explanation like this has been downvoted. When my 24 hours have come around, much later tonight, I will spend 3 points here to bring it to positive 1.
massconception ago
It seems I misunderstood the purpose of the new sticky regarding rules and the oversight of a presumably new mod. The whole thing smacked of hostile takeover.
And I still maintain that the rules as they are could be - stressing "could" - destructive. But... I re-read them and they could also - stressing "could", not "will" - be interpreted in a loose manner that still allows for brainstorming and wild speculation.
[edit] There's nothing wrong with adding an "amendment" (an "exception" if you will) that broadly outlines brainstorming efforts and other speculative efforts while also re-iterating how they must remain on-topic and not simply orbit pizzagate from a distance.
gopluckyourself ago
I like the inclusion of a brainstorming rule my main beef tho is people not putting any effort into posts.
I'm talking to the design mod about if a tagging and filtering system can be put in place similar to the eddit/r/overwatch implementation. So that oh hell here's the message I sent him.
"post tagging and sorting by post tagging would make the sub easier to navigate and would negate the need for seperate subs for different topics. Would also allow mods to be more lenient with the rules"
massconception ago
Too bad there's not a metavoat similar to the convoluted systems thrust out by Slashdot, something similar to "karma points", where a person can earn bad karma for being off-topic.
Hell. Maybe this entire place should ask slashdot for their framework and just come up with a script to convert the database over.
smokemirrors ago
I agree, it does sometimes seem as though the topics go off track, but I still believe in the degrees of separation. interesting for me is that if Joan knew and thought that about the obamas, how many other powerful players in entertainment think/feel the same? That Obama is gay and Michelle is transgender, specifically. Would be interesting to see the celebrity body count over the next few months/years and hear how many of those opened their traps. RIP Andrew Breitbart.
samhara ago
Study the video and look at the evidence yourself before you make a judgment.
samhara ago
Apparently Joam Rivers was faked death. They are all hoaxers.
This speaks to they way they love to mock "the little people" / The people who mean nothing. The people whom they abuse, steal from, murder and laugh at. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoz-9BZj-kQ -
This is in the context of "fake - deathening" happening many many times. They wanted people to think "it was because" she allegedly exposed Mrs. Obama as a tranny. And that would scare people. They would think that someone could get killed for that - and so keep quiet or be intimidated.
gopluckyourself ago
I agree ask these questions in the posts tho. Tell me your thoughts and how you think it connects.
smokemirrors ago
Thank you much for your supportive and intelligent response. I am immensely grateful to Voat for giving everyone a platform to espouse views on this topic (LOL, even though my other half is convinced its CIA-owned and now they have our IP address, are going to come storming into our apartment any day now and suicide us)<--digression, sorry! But there needs to be better moderation here. Also, the ability for links and pics to show up in the 'response' fields, because the constant clicking and diversion to a new page, then having to hit 'back' to return to Voat, is getting to be a bit much.