Remember, this is what the entire media did to make McMartin go away: gaslight anyone who looked at the evidence and was suspicious. But when the tunnels were found, nothing changed. Recent books ignore the tunnels being discovered 26 years ago.
http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html
The best proof we have so far of the larger version of Pizzagate theory is the media's complicit stonewalling and the push for global censorship based on one guy shooting a computer. So this Guardian article is yet more proof something nefarious and massive is afoot.
Elite patterns are very clear from one scandal to the other.
What you're saying about McMartin is also what happened in Belgium.
Very quickly, they use media to flip the situation so that suddenly the innocent are guilty, demonized ...
and the demons are still in power running things.
McMartin was a hysteria started by a single parent who made wild accusations who also happened to be a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic and died from complications of chronic alcoholism. Pizzagate is not hysteria.
The source for the McMartin accusations started from a single woman who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and died from complications of alcoholism. At one point during the trial she claimed one of the accused could fly. She. Was. Not. Credible. Nevertheless, the cops sent form letters to hundreds of parents alerting them that an accusation had been made and that they should interrogate their kids about anything suspicious. From there it snowballed into the most expensive trial in history that resulted in no convictions. It was a model of our broken, corrupt system.
Pizzagate sprung from suspicion of emails that was shared across a sizable group of people, and is gathering larger and larger amounts of circumstantial evidence; all of which is far more than was considered to accuse a bunch of innocent people of crimes including alleged supernatural acts in the 1980s. Those who cannot tell the difference are going to be of little use here.
Would recommend that you actually read or watch Ted Gunderson's report on McMartin case.
As we often see, there are no convictions because the investigations are stopped by powerful people.
We are seeing this over and again in US, in Norway, in Belgium, in Australia -- on and on.
Pizzagate arose from WikiLeaks alerting this nation to JPodesta emails with very questionable comments in regard to what
turned out to be code words for pedophile activities as made clear by the FBI. Currently, JPodesta's sister seems to be
running a child adoption agency out of VA. We heard that Alefantis was an "innocent person" accused of crimes, but clearly
Alefantis is heavily involved in this pedophile ring, locally -- and probably beyond that. He's visited the White House 5 times
and coincidentally on the same day as Silsby.
And, of course, neither did the Franklin Scandal involve innocent people -- except the children who were victimized by pedophiles.
The patterns are quite clear in attempts to cover up all of this -- including the McMartin case.
Strange then that a tunnel complex exactly as described by all the child witnesses was dug up there in 1990. Equally strange that some were diagnosed with blunt force trauma to their privates and some even had chlamydia.
The tunnels weren't "dug up". They were detected via radar that E. Gary Stickel used. People actually investigated and found they were waste tunnels that had been dug decades earlier, and further confirmed that the only objects they could find from the last 25 years were near the edge of the concrete slab floor that completely covered them, rendering them inaccessible to anyone but rodents. McMartin was hysteria just like Kern County was hysteria as were others. It's funny to me that some here are willing to believe government agents are corrupt and untrustworthy with regards to pizzagate but won't apply the same attitude to the law enforcement who imprisoned innocent people in the 80s. That's a real double standard you got there.
As for saying the kids had chlamydia, do you have actual evidence for that? I studied the McMartin case and never saw anything about that.
Your source, W. Joseph Wyatt, is a psychologist and 'expert' in child sexual abuse of the kind who sprung up after McMartin. I know more about archaeology than he does.
His 'analysis' is just trying to justify the modern approach of assuming ritual abuse allegations are made up.
My source consists of five PhD experts in digging and discovering things willing to put their names on a report. Yours is a self-interested so-called expert on child sex abuse who wants very much to say nothing happened at the McMartin school.
As for blocking me, that's what I expect from people who can't argue the facts.
Wow, everything you just said is false. McMartin was dozens of kids with physical symptoms of abuse, even some with VD, telling similar stories. The tunnels they described were found in 1990 after the case was over and the acquittals had made it impossible to pursue.
All that were found were waste tunnels constructed before the day care existed that had been rendered unusuable by a concrete floor that covered them. Stickel's claim of tunnels was made solely on a radar reading. Do you have a source on the VD thing? That's one of those "facts" I've never seen backed up by any evidence.
And once again in response to your spam: your 'expert' is a child psychologist who specializes in child sex abuse, as in covering it up. He knows nothing about archaeology. And yes, Stickel did, in fact, dig the site.
Read the archaeology report in its entirety. It was what we call in archaeology a rescue dig so they went fast under time pressure. They dug it in reality, did not rely on GPR.
http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html
If you understand absolute chronology and the root evidence, it's not even slightly credible to say the tunnels pre-existed the school. Moreover, the point at trial was the tunnels did not exist. They did, 100%, exist. And then they were mysteriously filled in with 1980s refuse and fill dirt. Moreover, there were pots and carved pentagrams (my take, Stickel says stars) recovered from the space during the excavation.
we don't even have reliable facts that dude shot anything. there may have been a computer destroyed, but then WHY would Alefantis destroy a hard drive that contained all his valuable child porn, snuff films and cannibalism? that stuff doesn't grow on trees, and it's a cash cow for him now that it's produced (sick sick sick)
makes no sense. the entire Maddison Welch thing is a wash.
We have Megyn Kelly's interview with footage shot in CPP showing a bullet hole in a computer. One bullet would not necessarily destroy data stored in a computer. Towers have a lot of air space. But it is a good excuse to get rid of the computer.
However, I am in longterm wait-and-see mode when it comes to that event. We may never know. The media is clearly lying and exaggerating. But that's often true.
Possible reason he shot it... The hard drive had evidence on it. If he got rid of it and bought a new one instead, that would look suspicious to a jury--he just happens to replace his hard drive when pizzagate breaks out and he's a main suspect. He also did not want to delete the evidence for the same reason. Not only is it recoverable, if he uses bleach bit, they will probably know.
So why not destory it via proxy hoax gunman? Not only does it give the media reason to attack pizzagate, but it gets rid of the evidence while making him out to be the victim.
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B_dog ago
Remember, this is what the entire media did to make McMartin go away: gaslight anyone who looked at the evidence and was suspicious. But when the tunnels were found, nothing changed. Recent books ignore the tunnels being discovered 26 years ago. http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html
The best proof we have so far of the larger version of Pizzagate theory is the media's complicit stonewalling and the push for global censorship based on one guy shooting a computer. So this Guardian article is yet more proof something nefarious and massive is afoot.
Votescam ago
Elite patterns are very clear from one scandal to the other. What you're saying about McMartin is also what happened in Belgium. Very quickly, they use media to flip the situation so that suddenly the innocent are guilty, demonized ... and the demons are still in power running things.
madmanpg ago
McMartin was a hysteria started by a single parent who made wild accusations who also happened to be a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic and died from complications of chronic alcoholism. Pizzagate is not hysteria.
Votescam ago
I don't have points --but consider this a down vote. Ted Gunderson/YouTube is a good basis for understanding that case.
madmanpg ago
The source for the McMartin accusations started from a single woman who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and died from complications of alcoholism. At one point during the trial she claimed one of the accused could fly. She. Was. Not. Credible. Nevertheless, the cops sent form letters to hundreds of parents alerting them that an accusation had been made and that they should interrogate their kids about anything suspicious. From there it snowballed into the most expensive trial in history that resulted in no convictions. It was a model of our broken, corrupt system.
Pizzagate sprung from suspicion of emails that was shared across a sizable group of people, and is gathering larger and larger amounts of circumstantial evidence; all of which is far more than was considered to accuse a bunch of innocent people of crimes including alleged supernatural acts in the 1980s. Those who cannot tell the difference are going to be of little use here.
Votescam ago
Would recommend that you actually read or watch Ted Gunderson's report on McMartin case. As we often see, there are no convictions because the investigations are stopped by powerful people. We are seeing this over and again in US, in Norway, in Belgium, in Australia -- on and on.
Pizzagate arose from WikiLeaks alerting this nation to JPodesta emails with very questionable comments in regard to what turned out to be code words for pedophile activities as made clear by the FBI. Currently, JPodesta's sister seems to be running a child adoption agency out of VA. We heard that Alefantis was an "innocent person" accused of crimes, but clearly Alefantis is heavily involved in this pedophile ring, locally -- and probably beyond that. He's visited the White House 5 times and coincidentally on the same day as Silsby.
And, of course, neither did the Franklin Scandal involve innocent people -- except the children who were victimized by pedophiles.
The patterns are quite clear in attempts to cover up all of this -- including the McMartin case.
MAGABoomer ago
You're a bit out of date there yes? The tunnels were found. http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html
madmanpg ago
Found to be trash pits: http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96
paulf ago
Strange then that a tunnel complex exactly as described by all the child witnesses was dug up there in 1990. Equally strange that some were diagnosed with blunt force trauma to their privates and some even had chlamydia.
McMartin was not hysteria.
madmanpg ago
The tunnels weren't "dug up". They were detected via radar that E. Gary Stickel used. People actually investigated and found they were waste tunnels that had been dug decades earlier, and further confirmed that the only objects they could find from the last 25 years were near the edge of the concrete slab floor that completely covered them, rendering them inaccessible to anyone but rodents. McMartin was hysteria just like Kern County was hysteria as were others. It's funny to me that some here are willing to believe government agents are corrupt and untrustworthy with regards to pizzagate but won't apply the same attitude to the law enforcement who imprisoned innocent people in the 80s. That's a real double standard you got there.
As for saying the kids had chlamydia, do you have actual evidence for that? I studied the McMartin case and never saw anything about that.
http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96
B_dog ago
Your source, W. Joseph Wyatt, is a psychologist and 'expert' in child sexual abuse of the kind who sprung up after McMartin. I know more about archaeology than he does.
His 'analysis' is just trying to justify the modern approach of assuming ritual abuse allegations are made up.
Your source is part of the problem.
madmanpg ago
Your source is no more accredited or reliable. I'm blocking you since you're being hostile in this.
B_dog ago
My source consists of five PhD experts in digging and discovering things willing to put their names on a report. Yours is a self-interested so-called expert on child sex abuse who wants very much to say nothing happened at the McMartin school.
As for blocking me, that's what I expect from people who can't argue the facts.
B_dog ago
Wow, everything you just said is false. McMartin was dozens of kids with physical symptoms of abuse, even some with VD, telling similar stories. The tunnels they described were found in 1990 after the case was over and the acquittals had made it impossible to pursue.
http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html
madmanpg ago
All that were found were waste tunnels constructed before the day care existed that had been rendered unusuable by a concrete floor that covered them. Stickel's claim of tunnels was made solely on a radar reading. Do you have a source on the VD thing? That's one of those "facts" I've never seen backed up by any evidence.
http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/bsi/article/viewFile/77/96
B_dog ago
And once again in response to your spam: your 'expert' is a child psychologist who specializes in child sex abuse, as in covering it up. He knows nothing about archaeology. And yes, Stickel did, in fact, dig the site.
http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html
More here: https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/mcmartin-preschool-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/
B_dog ago
Read the archaeology report in its entirety. It was what we call in archaeology a rescue dig so they went fast under time pressure. They dug it in reality, did not rely on GPR. http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html
If you understand absolute chronology and the root evidence, it's not even slightly credible to say the tunnels pre-existed the school. Moreover, the point at trial was the tunnels did not exist. They did, 100%, exist. And then they were mysteriously filled in with 1980s refuse and fill dirt. Moreover, there were pots and carved pentagrams (my take, Stickel says stars) recovered from the space during the excavation.
yabbadoody ago
we don't even have reliable facts that dude shot anything. there may have been a computer destroyed, but then WHY would Alefantis destroy a hard drive that contained all his valuable child porn, snuff films and cannibalism? that stuff doesn't grow on trees, and it's a cash cow for him now that it's produced (sick sick sick)
makes no sense. the entire Maddison Welch thing is a wash.
ThePuppetShow ago
Maybe he didn't destroy it but, now he has an out if it does come up.
redditsuckz ago
He has 2 organizations at that location.
He has Comet Ping Pong with 12 employees
And The Big Cheese LLC with 4 employee.
That area also has 2 floors.
http://archive.is/O4CSn
I doubt they are selling dairy products...must be something else...
B_dog ago
We have Megyn Kelly's interview with footage shot in CPP showing a bullet hole in a computer. One bullet would not necessarily destroy data stored in a computer. Towers have a lot of air space. But it is a good excuse to get rid of the computer.
However, I am in longterm wait-and-see mode when it comes to that event. We may never know. The media is clearly lying and exaggerating. But that's often true.
MAGABoomer ago
Perhaps Welch was MEANT to get rid of the computer. IYKWIM.
RedGreenAlliance ago
My first thoughts...
LargePepperoni ago
Possible reason he shot it... The hard drive had evidence on it. If he got rid of it and bought a new one instead, that would look suspicious to a jury--he just happens to replace his hard drive when pizzagate breaks out and he's a main suspect. He also did not want to delete the evidence for the same reason. Not only is it recoverable, if he uses bleach bit, they will probably know.
So why not destory it via proxy hoax gunman? Not only does it give the media reason to attack pizzagate, but it gets rid of the evidence while making him out to be the victim.