Hi investigators. This is my first post. I'm not jumping to conclusions. But the evidence you've collected about so many different people and organizations sure suggests a great deal. But that's not why I registered and felt like I needed to say something.
I wanted to explain something to all of you, assuming many of you may be under 40. If you are, you probably don't remember the McMartin case. Without too going into it too much, the link I'm leaving is the best place to start, it shaped the way people think about, and even conduct, ritual abuse investigations in the US more than any other case. After the entire mainstream media began to say it was a witch hunt and the allegations were just kids saying things because they were tricked by experts, it shaped public opinion until today.
The main fact used to debunk all the kids and physical evidence was that tunnels, mentioned by all the victims, did not exist. Except they did, absolutely, exist:
So when you run up against older Americans who simply refuse to believe anything like this, the media coverage of the McMartin case and the incredible amount of literature and other media generated in its aftermath is the major reason.
Lastly, notice that this proof beyond any reasonable doubt tunnels did exist, discovered and reported many years ago, has not been reflected in recent literature. So you can add that to the pile of evidence suggesting very powerful people are not interested in the facts, like Megyn Kelly.
See, not even off topic.
Just search McMartin case and you can see it's still used as an example of ritual abuse being something only religious fanatics think exists.
I remember being convinced that it was all hysteria as well, reading good investigative articles and then the "false memory syndrome" business getting started up and running.
You're welcome. I found it linked at Last American Vagabond. I don't think younger people can possibly grasp how much this changed everything in the US because you did not live through the media storm.
riveting description. I remember the case and thought I followed it. I was in my 20's at the time. I don't think I remember the satanic abuse details. And OMG - when digging to find the tunnels they found a plate with a couple of pentagrams on it that were drawn by hand...by an adult. And the cauldrons...wtf. I wish I could UN-see that in my minds eye. Thank you for this post!
Yeah, I'm sub 40 myself and not even American so I didn't know that story, however I perfectly understand what you mean. I witnessed a similar case happening in my country. The official story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outreau_trial.
At the time, despite being already very aware of the existence of large pedo rings protected by the medias/politicians/etc., I didn't pay much attention to it, I was assuming that if the media were all screaming "fake!" on this particular story, then it was surely fake.
I realized only years later that the whole thing was actually a massive psy-op which completely shaped the perception of the public, the media, the police and the justice towards pedophile rings. Mission accomplished.
Needless to say, the craziest thing is that it was obviously a real pedophile ring, with real victims, murders, "mysterious powerful people wearing masks", etc., but now when a similar case breaks out, the pavlovian reaction from the media and, sadly, the public is to yell "remember Outreau!" and "the children must be lying!".
McMartin was, in terms of media coverage, close to the OJ trial. As for importance with regards to changing public perception, it was infinitely bigger than the OJ case. At the beginning people believed the children and wanted convictions. After it was over, people wanted to charge the very young victims, their parents, expert witnesses, everyone in favor of prosecution basically, with crimes for bringing it up. After McMartin, people were scared to even suggest ritual abuse allegations could be true.
And then, six years later in 1990, the dig proved the key element of the case missing previously. And somehow, nobody noticed or cared.
I did not know this dig had been conducted and found the tunnels until Pizzagate. I have read quite a few people online in the last couple weeks using McMartin to say Pizzagate is ridiculous.
"Since the McMartin trial, new protocols have been developed."
"Developed", thanks to a media lynch mob condemning children based on false analysis of the case. The question is, false on purpose? I could link hundreds or thousands of articles just like this, and books.
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B_dog ago
Hi investigators. This is my first post. I'm not jumping to conclusions. But the evidence you've collected about so many different people and organizations sure suggests a great deal. But that's not why I registered and felt like I needed to say something.
I wanted to explain something to all of you, assuming many of you may be under 40. If you are, you probably don't remember the McMartin case. Without too going into it too much, the link I'm leaving is the best place to start, it shaped the way people think about, and even conduct, ritual abuse investigations in the US more than any other case. After the entire mainstream media began to say it was a witch hunt and the allegations were just kids saying things because they were tricked by experts, it shaped public opinion until today.
The main fact used to debunk all the kids and physical evidence was that tunnels, mentioned by all the victims, did not exist. Except they did, absolutely, exist:
http://whale.to/b/stickel.html
So when you run up against older Americans who simply refuse to believe anything like this, the media coverage of the McMartin case and the incredible amount of literature and other media generated in its aftermath is the major reason.
Lastly, notice that this proof beyond any reasonable doubt tunnels did exist, discovered and reported many years ago, has not been reflected in recent literature. So you can add that to the pile of evidence suggesting very powerful people are not interested in the facts, like Megyn Kelly.
See, not even off topic.
Just search McMartin case and you can see it's still used as an example of ritual abuse being something only religious fanatics think exists.
umpteenth ago
I remember being convinced that it was all hysteria as well, reading good investigative articles and then the "false memory syndrome" business getting started up and running.
militant ago
Thank you for sharing this.
B_dog ago
You're welcome. I found it linked at Last American Vagabond. I don't think younger people can possibly grasp how much this changed everything in the US because you did not live through the media storm.
LadyMinx ago
riveting description. I remember the case and thought I followed it. I was in my 20's at the time. I don't think I remember the satanic abuse details. And OMG - when digging to find the tunnels they found a plate with a couple of pentagrams on it that were drawn by hand...by an adult. And the cauldrons...wtf. I wish I could UN-see that in my minds eye. Thank you for this post!
militant ago
Yeah, I'm sub 40 myself and not even American so I didn't know that story, however I perfectly understand what you mean. I witnessed a similar case happening in my country. The official story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outreau_trial.
At the time, despite being already very aware of the existence of large pedo rings protected by the medias/politicians/etc., I didn't pay much attention to it, I was assuming that if the media were all screaming "fake!" on this particular story, then it was surely fake.
I realized only years later that the whole thing was actually a massive psy-op which completely shaped the perception of the public, the media, the police and the justice towards pedophile rings. Mission accomplished.
Needless to say, the craziest thing is that it was obviously a real pedophile ring, with real victims, murders, "mysterious powerful people wearing masks", etc., but now when a similar case breaks out, the pavlovian reaction from the media and, sadly, the public is to yell "remember Outreau!" and "the children must be lying!".
B_dog ago
McMartin was, in terms of media coverage, close to the OJ trial. As for importance with regards to changing public perception, it was infinitely bigger than the OJ case. At the beginning people believed the children and wanted convictions. After it was over, people wanted to charge the very young victims, their parents, expert witnesses, everyone in favor of prosecution basically, with crimes for bringing it up. After McMartin, people were scared to even suggest ritual abuse allegations could be true.
And then, six years later in 1990, the dig proved the key element of the case missing previously. And somehow, nobody noticed or cared.
I did not know this dig had been conducted and found the tunnels until Pizzagate. I have read quite a few people online in the last couple weeks using McMartin to say Pizzagate is ridiculous.
Two years ago, CBS article, nothing about tunnels: https://www.google.com/amp/losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/08/04/30-years-later-key-figures-reflect-on-mcmartin-child-abuse-case/amp/
"Since the McMartin trial, new protocols have been developed."
"Developed", thanks to a media lynch mob condemning children based on false analysis of the case. The question is, false on purpose? I could link hundreds or thousands of articles just like this, and books.
militant ago
The similarity is astonishing.