And that's giving you the HUGE benefit of the doubt that this isn't just some slide bullshit tactic that goes hand in hand with the derailing tactic you're whining about.
Here's the logic.
You're mad about crazy stuff and meanie words distracting from the truth.
So you've made a thread to bitch about the crazy stuff and meanie words.
So now this thread is on the front page, diluting the content of this site. That's one thread of possible investigation that isn't on the front page now.
And it will not work. Because the shills are here specifically to do what you're whining about.
So now there's them derailing AND you diluting.
Which begs the question, are you such a fucking newb that you don't understand this or are you collaborating with the shills to stir outrage because nobody here gives a fuck about meanie words and crazies and the derailing hasn't been working?
Either way you're being unproductive, distracting, and a moron. And there's always the chance you're actually being paid to cover for kiddie diddlers by David Brock.
@kingkongwaswrong op is concern trolling why the living nigger fuck is this tagged "IMPORTANT"?!?!
there's a big fucking difference between hate speech (protected in the u.s as free speech) and violent speech (like threats, not protected, crimes)
because having a feeling (i hate fat people/niggers/people who jaywalk) is not a fucking crime, but threatening their lives/livelihoods for whatever reason IS a crime (on the net as well).
roping them in together is a known tactic of disinformation agents / shills.
QUOTING OP:
We need to have absolutely zero tolerance for violent or hateful speech here.
I said nothing about illegally protected speech or legal speech. Illegal or legal bigotry is still bigotry. Am I calling for an end to bigotry? No. I'm simply reaching out to this subverse to re-evaluate the importance of the image we are presenting to the world. I said nothing about bans, or deleting comments/posts, or what is hate speech and what isn't. If you want to fight for your right to call people "nigger" when no one is even trying to take that right away from you, go ahead, but just know that you ARE making us all look stupid. If MSM wanted to report on how irrational and hateful we are, they would probably use the comments you and 3 others have posted as an example, not mine.
EDIT: changed subreddit to subverse (oops, habit) and corrected wording.
We need to have absolutely zero tolerance for violent or hateful speech here.
violent speech (like threats or calls to violence) are not legal in the u.s.
hateful speech (like man i hate fat people and clowns) is legal, and protected speech.
you are roping them into one
while enveloping it in some nice let's stay focused on the purpose rhetoric to make it seem nice.
i see right through this bullshit.
this isn't about saying that you're a shilly cuntbag niggerfaggot
this is about you and this gay little message you squeaked by.
if you had said exactly the same thing but not tried to rope in perfectly legal speech
i'd be somewhere else right now.
but you didn't..
answer me this: what's (bot) the first thing i talked about in this comment?
and this: why the fuck do we care what paid peddlers of propoganda think/do? investigate. find the truth. fuck the haters and the (shilly) concern trolls like you.
Yo Sane! It's me.
I think you're missing the point of this post. OP is not calling for censorship of voat, or even of this subverse, he's calling for a voluntary effort by the people who post here to remain as professional as possible so as to not give the media a freebie to hit us with. I personally think it is a very logical and sensible request, there's also the added benefit of making the shills far more visible when we aren't just running off at the mouth all the time. If we're being calm, rational, and logical the shills will stand out like a sore thumb.
The nature of this investigation and the forces we are up against, coupled with the "crowdsourced" and hive nature of this thing demand as much of an ordered format as possible. The current media tack is that this is a crazy "alt-right" "white supremacist" "conspiracy theory". the best way to combat this image is not to play into it. I'm not saying you can't call me a nigger, and neither is OP, he's asking for a concerted effort by the people involved in THIS subverse to be more organized, less sensational, and less inflammatory simply for the sake of free speech.
OP cannot enforce these suggestions, nor does he want to, he is trying to organize and direct the community in a better, more productive direction. He's got a very good point that every single unproductive post submitted helps to drown the important posts just by the noise factor, he's asking the people involved to slow down and try to be more coherent, and with that comes less of the name-calling and sensationalizing.
Just leave him alone dude.
If the idea of not calling someone a nigger jew really bothers you there's always SBBH.
Honestly, you're one of the best guard dogs on voat, but I think you need to calm down on this a bit.
We all want the same thing here, and if we work together there is no force that can stop us.
did i fucking stutter? i never said all this shit you're saying i said.
he called for self-censorship swaddled in concern troll lightly dusted with a tiny little bit of truth. fucking shill tactic.
who are you?
some how you want to make this pizzagate vs. msm
it's not.
i am voat. i breathe voat. when you're at work, i'm living voat, when you're watching tv, i'm shitting voat, when you're off jackin' it, i'm making sweet sweet love to v/all/new..
i'd list all the fallacies and disinfo in this
but (you're just a b0t) i need to be on my merry way to sbbh, where i never fucking go (except that once to post only nickelback lyrics to get banned forever because fuck sbbh).
Not a bot bro, we've had conversations before. Look at my history instead of accusing me of shilling because you disagree with me.
Once again, self-moderation is not censorship, you are allowed to say whatever you want, even calling me a shill and a bot, but what OP is calling for is simply more thought given to content of submitted posts.
Nothing, and I do mean nothing, but good can come of reducing the more inflammatory language in this subverse. Instead of post titles in all caps and exclamation points we can have a calmer atmosphere and neater format. Mostly what I took his post to mean is to put more thought into posts, focusing on quality and transmission of information rather than panicked fluff.
If I haven't made my point by now then I doubt I am capable of doing so. Just trying to put in my two cents as someone who's been here a while. I can understand that anything from a new account is suspect, but in this case I see a point being made. In the end, nothing is actually gonna change as far as the way the information is disseminated here, so this is a tempest in a teapot anyway.
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grlldcheese ago
Language Nazism doesn't work here.
And that's giving you the HUGE benefit of the doubt that this isn't just some slide bullshit tactic that goes hand in hand with the derailing tactic you're whining about.
Here's the logic.
You're mad about crazy stuff and meanie words distracting from the truth.
So you've made a thread to bitch about the crazy stuff and meanie words.
So now this thread is on the front page, diluting the content of this site. That's one thread of possible investigation that isn't on the front page now.
And it will not work. Because the shills are here specifically to do what you're whining about.
So now there's them derailing AND you diluting.
Which begs the question, are you such a fucking newb that you don't understand this or are you collaborating with the shills to stir outrage because nobody here gives a fuck about meanie words and crazies and the derailing hasn't been working?
Either way you're being unproductive, distracting, and a moron. And there's always the chance you're actually being paid to cover for kiddie diddlers by David Brock.
Suck a fucking dick.
Edit: tfw the fire rises.
SaneGoatiSwear ago
why in the fuck is this tagged important, though?
@kingkongwaswrong op is concern trolling why the living nigger fuck is this tagged "IMPORTANT"?!?!
there's a big fucking difference between hate speech (protected in the u.s as free speech) and violent speech (like threats, not protected, crimes)
because having a feeling (i hate fat people/niggers/people who jaywalk) is not a fucking crime, but threatening their lives/livelihoods for whatever reason IS a crime (on the net as well).
roping them in together is a known tactic of disinformation agents / shills.
QUOTING OP:
kingkongwaswrong ago
Is he not allowed to say that? O_O who's censoring who?
Did you even read his post? or just saw that comment and went spacko?
SaneGoatiSwear ago
he can say it all he wants
and i'll continue to call it concern shilling because that's what it is, paid for or not.
if he said
"we need to have absolutely zero tolerance for violent speech"
I WOULD AGREE.
because threatening people and calling for violence against people (or orgs, etc) is illegal!
i think it goes without saying, but hey some may say it bears repeating.
but he's - again, now pay attention here, because this is the trick - he's ROPING IN LEGALLY PROTECTED FREE SPEECH (HATE SPEECH) WITH ILLEGAL SPEECH.
and suggesting that
did you even read my comment?
anonymousgate ago
I said nothing about illegally protected speech or legal speech. Illegal or legal bigotry is still bigotry. Am I calling for an end to bigotry? No. I'm simply reaching out to this subverse to re-evaluate the importance of the image we are presenting to the world. I said nothing about bans, or deleting comments/posts, or what is hate speech and what isn't. If you want to fight for your right to call people "nigger" when no one is even trying to take that right away from you, go ahead, but just know that you ARE making us all look stupid. If MSM wanted to report on how irrational and hateful we are, they would probably use the comments you and 3 others have posted as an example, not mine.
EDIT: changed subreddit to subverse (oops, habit) and corrected wording.
SaneGoatiSwear ago
violent speech (like threats or calls to violence) are not legal in the u.s.
hateful speech (like man i hate fat people and clowns) is legal, and protected speech.
you are roping them into one
while enveloping it in some nice let's stay focused on the purpose rhetoric to make it seem nice.
i see right through this bullshit.
this isn't about saying that you're a shilly cuntbag niggerfaggot
this is about you and this gay little message you squeaked by.
if you had said exactly the same thing but not tried to rope in perfectly legal speech
i'd be somewhere else right now.
but you didn't..
answer me this: what's (bot) the first thing i talked about in this comment?
and this: why the fuck do we care what paid peddlers of propoganda think/do? investigate. find the truth. fuck the haters and the (shilly) concern trolls like you.
Fahrvergnaked ago
Yo Sane! It's me.
I think you're missing the point of this post. OP is not calling for censorship of voat, or even of this subverse, he's calling for a voluntary effort by the people who post here to remain as professional as possible so as to not give the media a freebie to hit us with. I personally think it is a very logical and sensible request, there's also the added benefit of making the shills far more visible when we aren't just running off at the mouth all the time. If we're being calm, rational, and logical the shills will stand out like a sore thumb.
The nature of this investigation and the forces we are up against, coupled with the "crowdsourced" and hive nature of this thing demand as much of an ordered format as possible. The current media tack is that this is a crazy "alt-right" "white supremacist" "conspiracy theory". the best way to combat this image is not to play into it. I'm not saying you can't call me a nigger, and neither is OP, he's asking for a concerted effort by the people involved in THIS subverse to be more organized, less sensational, and less inflammatory simply for the sake of free speech.
OP cannot enforce these suggestions, nor does he want to, he is trying to organize and direct the community in a better, more productive direction. He's got a very good point that every single unproductive post submitted helps to drown the important posts just by the noise factor, he's asking the people involved to slow down and try to be more coherent, and with that comes less of the name-calling and sensationalizing.
Just leave him alone dude.
If the idea of not calling someone a nigger jew really bothers you there's always SBBH.
Honestly, you're one of the best guard dogs on voat, but I think you need to calm down on this a bit.
We all want the same thing here, and if we work together there is no force that can stop us.
SaneGoatiSwear ago
who are you?
did i fucking stutter? i never said all this shit you're saying i said.
he called for self-censorship swaddled in concern troll lightly dusted with a tiny little bit of truth. fucking shill tactic.
who are you?
some how you want to make this pizzagate vs. msm
it's not.
i am voat. i breathe voat. when you're at work, i'm living voat, when you're watching tv, i'm shitting voat, when you're off jackin' it, i'm making sweet sweet love to v/all/new..
i'd list all the fallacies and disinfo in this
but (you're just a b0t) i need to be on my merry way to sbbh, where i never fucking go (except that once to post only nickelback lyrics to get banned forever because fuck sbbh).
Fahrvergnaked ago
Not a bot bro, we've had conversations before. Look at my history instead of accusing me of shilling because you disagree with me.
Once again, self-moderation is not censorship, you are allowed to say whatever you want, even calling me a shill and a bot, but what OP is calling for is simply more thought given to content of submitted posts.
Nothing, and I do mean nothing, but good can come of reducing the more inflammatory language in this subverse. Instead of post titles in all caps and exclamation points we can have a calmer atmosphere and neater format. Mostly what I took his post to mean is to put more thought into posts, focusing on quality and transmission of information rather than panicked fluff.
If I haven't made my point by now then I doubt I am capable of doing so. Just trying to put in my two cents as someone who's been here a while. I can understand that anything from a new account is suspect, but in this case I see a point being made. In the end, nothing is actually gonna change as far as the way the information is disseminated here, so this is a tempest in a teapot anyway.
SaneGoatiSwear ago
so many disinfo tactics
kek that requires another, the correct term for is self-censorship.
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AHAHAh no.
v/pizzagate is a tempest in a fucking abyss of infinite shit storm.