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Investigate1999 ago

OP, as I left my computer a moment ago, it dawned me. What I'm about to share with you is just a theory, so take it for what it's worth.

I think that you have got us over the biggest hump in our attempt to flesh out the details.

If they are shipping by sea containers, then they are probably bringing sea containers to those ports filled with stuff, and then emptying the containers, and then filling the containers with children for the outbound trip. In other words, having the containers full in 1 direction helps to justify the movement of the containers.

For example, if wanted to ship several containers of children out of Haiti on a normal day, then where are we going to get those containers? If there are no containers there, then we can bring our own, but don't people want to know why we're bringing empty containers to Haiti, when there might not be stuff to ship out? I don't know. I don't understand the shipping world.

For Haiti, there was a video, where the documentary goes around Haiti showing these weird houses that were built the Clinton Foundation, and even the mayor had no say in the matter. Nobody understood what was happening. We and the Haitians are focused on the natural catastrophe, and the money wasted, and the sovereign rights of the locals. However, none of us ask about the missing kids in the outbound sea containers.

I think that the Clinton Foundation built the ugly houses to justify bringing containers to that location. It would be weird to do a lot exporting during a catastrophe.

They have to do their human trafficking during a catastrophe, because it provides cover for missing children. Many children die at that time, and many might be washed out to sea. So, if a few hundred are kidnapped, then nobody would know, or maybe they would be too distracted to do anything about parents's complaints.

It would be like you going on a vacation, and then walking through a foreign bazaar. A man invites you to play a game, where you have to bet 5 cents. He explains that he is a professional magician, and that it wouldn't be fair to cheat you out of a lot of money. So, you accept, and then he shows you a card. He shuffles, it with another card. You guess incorrectly, and pay up 5 cents. On the way to the hotel, you are so impressed. Later that night, you discover that your watch is missing. In this hypothetical story, you would have been so distracted with the card game, that you missed him taking your watch.

The Clinton Foundation is comparable to the magician, and the Haitian children are comparable to the watch.

dontkillmehillary ago

Good point on the containers! Incoming containers would be carrying disaster aid, and the outbound would be filled with the fabrics and clothing made in the factory Monica Peterson was looking into. A sea container is 10x10x20 or 10x10x40 so filling the front and back but leaving a 10x10x10 space in the middle is a super effective way to smuggle.

The companies exporting from Haiti might be worth looking at next. There is a few that benefit from the fabric manufacture. This was the angle Peterson was looking at I think. Her theory also included mexican human trafficking cartels.

Investigate1999 ago

I just tried to look up information on missing Haitians statistics, but couldn't find anything. At least the Clinton Foundation did claim to be involved in since whatever time, so we can always start looking from there.

Regarding whatever I said about Vancouver, I think that we should scrap that idea. I recall now that the missing women were probably mostly natives. I don't mean to belittle them in such a sad topic, but I think that these specific natives aren't as desirable as the typical trafficked humans. Anyways, here is a reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_and_Murdered_Indigenous_Women

dontkillmehillary ago

ok... Hang on... The Highway of Tears? I think it was Stuff You Should Know (or Stuff They Dont Want you to Know) did an episode on it, and they mentioned in that show the FBI estimated that there was a ring of human traffickers working from transport trucks. The transport trucks could be a link from ground abductions to sea transport. Its a connection, but I agree one that should back burner for now.

Investigate1999 ago

Yeah, the Highway of Tears, if I recall correctly. I honestly don't know what to make of that. I don't want to ignore them, and I don't want to read into every situation.

By the way, if they are transported by sea containers, then they'll probably be transported inland by trains in those same containers. It's just a guess, though.

By the way, in the last few rounds of comments between you and me, I've often wondered about the prostitutes on Craig's List. If the photos could give us hints of the demographics of the port cities, then that might be worth looking into.

dontkillmehillary ago

Ew... Lol, that's a lead I'll let you look into :p

A ex gf of mine used to do logistics with transport companies. Sea cans run on rail and road. Something is nagging me though about sea transport out of Alaska... I need to look into that when I have time I guess :/

This thread started waaaaay more leads than I ever anticipated.

Investigate1999 ago

This thread started waaaaay more leads than I ever anticipated.

Yeah, I never expected us to talk about shipping. However, when I think about it, it makes sense. When people are involved, there has to be a physical part of the problem.

dontkillmehillary ago

It's frustrating because I can't even hope to look into half of the stuff for at least a week because... Sigh... Work.

I need to win powerball.

Investigate1999 ago

Yeah, me too. :-(