After arguing with a non-believer today I realized his definition of Pizzagate is narrowed such that when someone says "Pizzagate is real", they mean there is 100% certainty a pedo ring involving high level government officials is running through Comet Ping Pong. I said not necessarily. Yes there could be that, but Pizzagate deals with any of: human trafficking, drug trafficking, illegal arms dealing, contract killing, pedophilia, money laundering, selling classified information, treason, ect., and deals with: Clinton Foundation, Soros, Obama, Biden, other high level government officials. Is that our definition? What is your definition of Pizzagate?
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MillennialHarvestMes ago
I think the key term here should be the "Gate" aspect. "Watergate" was a hotel, and that was what spawned all subsequent "gates"; the term "gate" simply became a catch-all suffix to imply scandal of one kind or another. Watergate was just the tip that some other iceberg was attached to. The hotel room break-in was just axiomatic of the paranoia that ran through the Nixon Whitehouse. So to, I see this weirdness with the "pizza" stuff as axiomatic of the notion that there are rings of pedophiles that run in high circles.
I think it's important that we do not allow ourselves to be deluded into thinking the rich and influential automatically equal depraved. There are plenty of decent trailer-park dwellers that do not beat their kids, and likewise, there are genuinely benevolent wealthy people. But I agree; focusing merely on this pizza joint is going to derail the focus on a genuinely real problem. For myself, I think that at the very least, the people revolving around this pizza place are weird, and suspicious. But until we find that one piece that is the "smoking gun" (which has now become a hackneyed phrase), it's better to just follow the evidence wherever it takes us, and not force everything into this one narrative.
Just my two-cents anyway.
anon123 ago
I agree with you, but we still need a formal definition of what our cause is about so when someone uninformed asks, "What is Pizzagate," we have a clear answer for them. So if someone asked you that question, what would your answer be?
MillennialHarvestMes ago
I guess I would say that it represents a search into systemic child sexual abuse that is being engaged in by leaders (political, religious, business) and that proper investigation and prosecution of such activity is being suppressed by these same people. For an easy target, try appealing to people's own bigotry. Consider the jokes routinely made about and accepted by people regarding Catholic Priests and pedophilia. About 2 to 4 percent of clerics have been found guilty of such pedophilia. Does anyone think that a political figure or a business leader is any less likely to be involved in such a thing? This might make them see that it is not as far fetched as they think it is.
Anyway, the definition I gave above is how I respond.
YungRu ago
Whack in Dennis Hastert & Jeffery Epstien as exemplars for political figure & businessmen.
Use Jimmy Saville as proof that public broadcasting companies can in fact be swayed to deceiving the public to save someone's bacon. So to be under the assumption privately owned media companies that exist in USA today would be above that is a tad naive. Especially with the clear bias over the election period and the WL emails proving of collusion between Hillary's Campaign and the media.