if any one could find the women's FB, social media, they would be writing what they are working on. Maybe not everything but allude for public support to get a following. That will tell you what they have investigated, what they needed support to change the problem they saw.
ALWAYS be aware that Sorcha Fal is a disinfo agent exposed so long ago that it's come around full circle again and people have forgotten.
I would never ever take at face value anything printed on that site or with that name on it.
If you can find backup evidence and reporting fine, but treat it with a grain of salt.
This is nonsense. Stop spreading this. Firstly, the victims of slaying were chosen randomly. Secondly, the victims were not some top class investigative journalists but worked for a small local newspaper.
There's no evidence that these journalists were investigating human trafficking that I can see, and that whatdoesitmean website seems to actually be a fake news website, they don't include any links to sources or anything. Couldn't find the supposed FSB report that the article is based around, they don't link to it, just to the FSB home page.
You're right. WhatDoesItMean.com is a well-known fake news website. Actually, it's one of the very first. It's fake news that has been spread by unwitting people on conspiracy circle websites for years and years. Thankfully, at least 50% of the people frequenting the discussion places know this and point it out immediately.
Mods should remove this submission unless the OP removes WhatDoesItMean from his source list.
It's easy to tell fake news sites because they never have any links to evidence/sources etc. That's how you can also tell that the MSM stories about Pizzagate being fake are themselves fake, because they provide nothing to back up their claims that it's been 'debunked.' A real story would either go through all the claims and provide evidence and links to the evidence that proved they aren't what people think they are, or are fabrications, or they would provide a link to another article that had gone through that process. I don't understand why so many people seem to fall for fake stuff, don't people fact check? Journalists don't get their information by channeling it from the ether, they have to find out about things from somewhere and so they should always state where that was, even if a source that needs to be kept anonymous, they still say they got it from someone reliable, and that should mean they have the evidence and the proof to back it up if necessary if it went to court or something.
All those idiots commenting on MSM articles saying 'you have no evidence, it's all fake, bla bla' when they clearly haven't so much as glanced at the evidence and the things people have discovered, yet they are very happy to just take the Washington Post/New York Times/BBC etc's word for it that:
"it's totally all been debunked, nothing to see here, we don't need to go through the process of actually debunking the allegations or telling you the specifics of those allegations or the reasons for them, we'll skip all that (who has the time these days?! Tee tee!) and just tell you it's fake because that's easier than trying to disprove something that's true. And all these many thousands of people across the world desperately concerned about a huge child trafficking ring after having found stacks of evidence suggesting its existence? They are ALL confirmed mentally ill/Russian agents/trolls who do nothing all day but make up imaginary stories to tell each other about child abuse for fun. You needn't bother checking any of that out, just trust us. WE are the only guardians of the Truth. Give us a few weeks and that will be enshrined in law, and hey presto! You will never need to be burdened with having to think for yourself again! See how much your government cares for you?"
Interesting. We'll have to find alternative sources though to really understand things.
For those that keep saying in so many words that "it should be easy" to understand and link and bring it all together, here's a "real news" version of how one example looks. Tell me when your eyes start to tear up trying to decipher it all. But yeah, it's complicated for the sole reason which is keeping the powerful out of jail.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/22/moscow-s-long-corrupt-money-trail.html
Agreed, but it was still curious to me.I found out that Finland has an anti-asylum push going on and she was speaking out in favor of it in one article I found. In general, when a politician and two journalists get shot randomly, it's curious to see how it plays out. I see zero links to PizzaGate, but it's odd in the sense that three people were shot by a man with a rifle that wasn't his own but had a violent past
It can be an assassination without having to label it with MKUltra conspiracy.... Labeling it as MKUltra related does NOTHING to our investigative efforts. All it can do is detract from it by making people turn away because that is still considered fringe topic.
I realize a lot of you guys are from conspiracy websites so you may already convinced yourselves of these things, but there is no proof and I think its off-topic and harmful to #pizzagate at the moment. All eyes are on us because of the shooting, so please have better manners.
totally agree. This has CIA special ops all over it... there are other markers for MKU and it doesn't have to be MKU to be an CIA assassin job. I think the OP should be careful with the language here.
Trauma based mind control is used to produce assassins. Assassins produce results. Two dead reporters and a dead politician all double tapped. Take the red pill.
It is a possibility, i'm not ruling it out so don't tell me to swallow a fuking pill...Once a name gets released then i will jump to all the conclusions i want, which you should do too.
THIS is why some people think us "conspiracy theorists" are loons, because we jump to conclusions way to early to try and back up our own ideas. We are too early for these allegation, so like i said..wait till a name is released.
Anybody who is into conspiracy theories knows that Sorcha Faal is complete BS. The first link should never be trusted as a source by itself. We need to find other evidence before linking the deaths to pizzagate.
I'm not denying that three women were murdered. Those points were covered in the Sputnik and Guardian articles. But there's nothing to suggest that they were researching pizzagate, the Clinton Foundation, etc. I appreciate your efforts, but honestly this thread will only serve to discredit us unless we can find credible information to substantiate your claims
We shouldn't be censoring ourselves to conform to the mainstream prejudices enshrined in the #fakenews meme. Its purpose is to strengthen those same prejudices against our counter-narrative (a.k.a. the truth), so the right thing to do is to be totally unmoved by the threat of ridicule and break through their facade with the truth.
It's too late to avoid being labeled as "conspiracy theorists," and anyone intelligent enough to understand pizzagate can also tell that the MK-ULTRA angle is OP's personal interpretation.
Also, this investigation doesn't exist in a vacuum. MK-ULTRA is something that has been discussed by Jay Parker and others who broke ground on the issue of Satanic Ritual Abuse. The pre-existing body of knowledge on the general topic has a stigma attached to it precisely because it's something that the establishment doesn't want people taking seriously, because it's INDEPENDENT, INDIRECT CORROBORATION of Pizzagate. That's EXTREMELY valuable as it provides CONTEXT and therefore OBJECTIVE CREDIBILITY.
winning tactic. We have been wrong all along dodging getting to the hardcore truths by being afraid of THEIR language and name calling (conspiracy theorist, racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc.....). We need to own it and say, yeah who cares, it is the TRUTH
This! I'd upvoated you but, I'm outta voats for the day. We gotta be careful and keep it somewhat in the realistic realm until we can prove what we're saying. People will dismiss that we're crazy if we stick to hardcore facts. I've been trying to direct people here telling them this is where you'll find all the goods that is driving this force. If it gets infowars like, it's gonna frighten em away. Not everyone can handle this truth, it's falling on new ears. They don't wanna see unproven, they're coming here either to see how to help, or they're looking for this proof I've been squawking about.
Ah, many thanks for the heads up. I spent a good long time reading of disinformation tactics posted on the sidebar last night. I'm trying to learn quickly.
HelpingChildren ago
if any one could find the women's FB, social media, they would be writing what they are working on. Maybe not everything but allude for public support to get a following. That will tell you what they have investigated, what they needed support to change the problem they saw.
spiderj ago
The facts ARE sensational.
VieBleu ago
ALWAYS be aware that Sorcha Fal is a disinfo agent exposed so long ago that it's come around full circle again and people have forgotten. I would never ever take at face value anything printed on that site or with that name on it. If you can find backup evidence and reporting fine, but treat it with a grain of salt.
DISINFO, IGNORE.
spiderj ago
I take everything with a grain of salt.
mrnobu ago
This world is so fucking crazy.
VieBleu ago
ignore anything by sorcha fal
StarHumpbackwale ago
This is nonsense. Stop spreading this. Firstly, the victims of slaying were chosen randomly. Secondly, the victims were not some top class investigative journalists but worked for a small local newspaper.
spiderj ago
Random is the meme the MSM is pushing.
spiderj ago
Says the account that's been here for 13 days LOL. Talk about the arm pit calling the arsehole hairy.
VieBleu ago
doesn't matter, sorcha fal is long known as disinfo
CandyPanda ago
More details here: The killer had a legally owned rifle that wasn't his own, and seemed to kill with intent yet police say he still chose his targets randomly. https://www.gp.se/nyheter/v%C3%A4rlden/tiina-wil%C3%A9n-j%C3%A4ppinen-var-ett-av-d%C3%B6dsoffren-i-finland-1.4014634
SpikyAube ago
There's no evidence that these journalists were investigating human trafficking that I can see, and that whatdoesitmean website seems to actually be a fake news website, they don't include any links to sources or anything. Couldn't find the supposed FSB report that the article is based around, they don't link to it, just to the FSB home page.
noworldorder ago
You're right. WhatDoesItMean.com is a well-known fake news website. Actually, it's one of the very first. It's fake news that has been spread by unwitting people on conspiracy circle websites for years and years. Thankfully, at least 50% of the people frequenting the discussion places know this and point it out immediately.
Mods should remove this submission unless the OP removes WhatDoesItMean from his source list.
SpikyAube ago
It's easy to tell fake news sites because they never have any links to evidence/sources etc. That's how you can also tell that the MSM stories about Pizzagate being fake are themselves fake, because they provide nothing to back up their claims that it's been 'debunked.' A real story would either go through all the claims and provide evidence and links to the evidence that proved they aren't what people think they are, or are fabrications, or they would provide a link to another article that had gone through that process. I don't understand why so many people seem to fall for fake stuff, don't people fact check? Journalists don't get their information by channeling it from the ether, they have to find out about things from somewhere and so they should always state where that was, even if a source that needs to be kept anonymous, they still say they got it from someone reliable, and that should mean they have the evidence and the proof to back it up if necessary if it went to court or something.
All those idiots commenting on MSM articles saying 'you have no evidence, it's all fake, bla bla' when they clearly haven't so much as glanced at the evidence and the things people have discovered, yet they are very happy to just take the Washington Post/New York Times/BBC etc's word for it that: "it's totally all been debunked, nothing to see here, we don't need to go through the process of actually debunking the allegations or telling you the specifics of those allegations or the reasons for them, we'll skip all that (who has the time these days?! Tee tee!) and just tell you it's fake because that's easier than trying to disprove something that's true. And all these many thousands of people across the world desperately concerned about a huge child trafficking ring after having found stacks of evidence suggesting its existence? They are ALL confirmed mentally ill/Russian agents/trolls who do nothing all day but make up imaginary stories to tell each other about child abuse for fun. You needn't bother checking any of that out, just trust us. WE are the only guardians of the Truth. Give us a few weeks and that will be enshrined in law, and hey presto! You will never need to be burdened with having to think for yourself again! See how much your government cares for you?"
Makes me sick.
CandyPanda ago
Interesting. We'll have to find alternative sources though to really understand things.
For those that keep saying in so many words that "it should be easy" to understand and link and bring it all together, here's a "real news" version of how one example looks. Tell me when your eyes start to tear up trying to decipher it all. But yeah, it's complicated for the sole reason which is keeping the powerful out of jail. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/22/moscow-s-long-corrupt-money-trail.html
VieBleu ago
learn now that anything sorcha fal is disinfo
CandyPanda ago
Agreed, but it was still curious to me.I found out that Finland has an anti-asylum push going on and she was speaking out in favor of it in one article I found. In general, when a politician and two journalists get shot randomly, it's curious to see how it plays out. I see zero links to PizzaGate, but it's odd in the sense that three people were shot by a man with a rifle that wasn't his own but had a violent past
GoHeadBeGoneWithIt ago
What the fuck does MK ultra have to do with this? Can you fuckers stop delegitimizing this investigation? Jesus
4thDaGrymReaper ago
I am sick and tired of good people dying for these monsters.
spiderj ago
Our world is run by psychopaths.
OpenSoulOpenMind ago
Although it is a strange story, but allegations like these are what drives people to think we are all loons...
spiderj ago
The red pill is hard to swallow.
zeroreloaded ago
it looks like you took the retard pill instead.
spiderj ago
I am prepared to look like a retard when the lives of children are at stake.
zeroreloaded ago
so you're willing to discredit the investigation with your asinine conclusions? I'm sorry you are not a retard but a shill.
totesgoats908234 ago
It can be an assassination without having to label it with MKUltra conspiracy.... Labeling it as MKUltra related does NOTHING to our investigative efforts. All it can do is detract from it by making people turn away because that is still considered fringe topic.
I realize a lot of you guys are from conspiracy websites so you may already convinced yourselves of these things, but there is no proof and I think its off-topic and harmful to #pizzagate at the moment. All eyes are on us because of the shooting, so please have better manners.
OpenSoulOpenMind ago
^ This, pretty much...appreciate the links though, and it is a strange story, MK Ultra or not
Gonna have to wait till we get a release of the killers name before we really start jumping to conclusions..
hedy ago
totally agree. This has CIA special ops all over it... there are other markers for MKU and it doesn't have to be MKU to be an CIA assassin job. I think the OP should be careful with the language here.
OpenSoulOpenMind ago
Yea...this is how we get labeled as "fake news"..
Curious how you came up with this assumption?
It doesn't even mention the killers name in any of those articles.....
spiderj ago
Based on my knowledge of trauma based mind control and the actions of the shooter. Research Project Monarch.
VieBleu ago
Sorcha fal is disinfo, take the garbage out
OpenSoulOpenMind ago
Sigh...i know all about MK Ultra, trust me. Im a firm believer in it as well, i know all about Paul Bonacci and many other victims
But this is a conclusion youve drawn out of thin air..
spiderj ago
Trauma based mind control is used to produce assassins. Assassins produce results. Two dead reporters and a dead politician all double tapped. Take the red pill.
OpenSoulOpenMind ago
It is a possibility, i'm not ruling it out so don't tell me to swallow a fuking pill...Once a name gets released then i will jump to all the conclusions i want, which you should do too.
THIS is why some people think us "conspiracy theorists" are loons, because we jump to conclusions way to early to try and back up our own ideas. We are too early for these allegation, so like i said..wait till a name is released.
zeroreloaded ago
you're a retard.
cronintendo ago
"Two women reporters investigating the Finish Finance Minister, who has ties to Clinton..."
What is your source for this? This seems like wild speculation that will only hurt our cause.
spiderj ago
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2180.htm
noworldorder ago
WhatDoesItMean.com is ACTUAL fake news. This is well known in conspiracy circles.
spiderj ago
"fake news" is a propaganda term being pushed by the MSM.
LloydK ago
That seems to be a very important story. I wonder if anyone else has discussed it elsewhere on Voat.
I'd like to upvoat, but I don't seem to have any way to voat as yet. What qualifies members to voat?
VieBleu ago
sorcha fal is disinfo
Godwillwin ago
you have to have so many comments or something. i was able to upvote after a few days, but am still not able to downvote.
spiderj ago
Try clicking on the up triangle in the top left hand of the text window. Should turn blue and upvoat.
LloydK ago
Thanks. I'll see if I can find it.
ArchonFall4All ago
Anybody who is into conspiracy theories knows that Sorcha Faal is complete BS. The first link should never be trusted as a source by itself. We need to find other evidence before linking the deaths to pizzagate.
VieBleu ago
Amen
spiderj ago
Plenty of links in the report. It's a good starting point for investigation. It's a world wide swamp and it needs to be drained.
ArchonFall4All ago
Did you click on any of the links? They don't even pertain to the points being made. This is what Sorcha Faal always does
spiderj ago
Yes. Both of the reports about the reporters being murdered.
ArchonFall4All ago
I'm not denying that three women were murdered. Those points were covered in the Sputnik and Guardian articles. But there's nothing to suggest that they were researching pizzagate, the Clinton Foundation, etc. I appreciate your efforts, but honestly this thread will only serve to discredit us unless we can find credible information to substantiate your claims
derram ago
https://archive.is/KS29k :
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totesgoats908234 ago
It's a good article, but why do you say its MKUltra assassins?
IMO, this is how #fakenews will propagate, because you can't remain OBJECTIVE and have to put your own personal slant (MKUltra) on a good news story.
You are approaching the same kind of mentality as MSM, slippery slope.
lectorleoni ago
We shouldn't be censoring ourselves to conform to the mainstream prejudices enshrined in the #fakenews meme. Its purpose is to strengthen those same prejudices against our counter-narrative (a.k.a. the truth), so the right thing to do is to be totally unmoved by the threat of ridicule and break through their facade with the truth.
It's too late to avoid being labeled as "conspiracy theorists," and anyone intelligent enough to understand pizzagate can also tell that the MK-ULTRA angle is OP's personal interpretation.
Also, this investigation doesn't exist in a vacuum. MK-ULTRA is something that has been discussed by Jay Parker and others who broke ground on the issue of Satanic Ritual Abuse. The pre-existing body of knowledge on the general topic has a stigma attached to it precisely because it's something that the establishment doesn't want people taking seriously, because it's INDEPENDENT, INDIRECT CORROBORATION of Pizzagate. That's EXTREMELY valuable as it provides CONTEXT and therefore OBJECTIVE CREDIBILITY.
micha_ ago
Mainstream media does not report and suppress important FACTS! But claiming that therefore calling wild speculations facts was ok, is absurd.
WRONG: Pizzagate reporters murdered by MKUltra assassin
CORRECT: Was Pizzagate reporters murdered by MKUltra assassin?
EatThePizzaEaters ago
*Were pizzagate reporters...
Boud8814 ago
winning tactic. We have been wrong all along dodging getting to the hardcore truths by being afraid of THEIR language and name calling (conspiracy theorist, racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc.....). We need to own it and say, yeah who cares, it is the TRUTH
spiderj ago
Great comment.
spiderj ago
This behaviour suggests to me MKultra assassin "Investigators said the suspect arrived outside the restaurant in his car and shot the three women as they stepped out of the restaurant. He then waited in the car until police arrived, and accompanied officers silently and peacefully." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/04/three-women-shot-dead-outside-restaurant-finland https://sputniknews.com/europe/201612051048171401-finland-triple-murder/
connornm777 ago
Yeah, but that's speculation. You can report on the facts and you can speculate, but don't claim your speculation is fact.
alliecapone ago
This! I'd upvoated you but, I'm outta voats for the day. We gotta be careful and keep it somewhat in the realistic realm until we can prove what we're saying. People will dismiss that we're crazy if we stick to hardcore facts. I've been trying to direct people here telling them this is where you'll find all the goods that is driving this force. If it gets infowars like, it's gonna frighten em away. Not everyone can handle this truth, it's falling on new ears. They don't wanna see unproven, they're coming here either to see how to help, or they're looking for this proof I've been squawking about.
VieBleu ago
Sorcha Fal has been a disinfo source for a long time. ignore.
alliecapone ago
Ah, many thanks for the heads up. I spent a good long time reading of disinformation tactics posted on the sidebar last night. I'm trying to learn quickly.
VieBleu ago
Lurking does a body good. : )