Below is a timeline of the tweets/articles I gathered yesterday. I have converted the times on this post to EST which is what Washington DC uses. Twitter displays in PST and archive.is uses UTC.
To begin, alleged witness Sharif Silmi said he was inside CPP when the gunman entered.
He confirmed three times in tweets that the man had a shotgun, he confirmed in a tweet when asked that he saw the suspect, he was the one who tweeted the picture of the gunman surrendering to police, he was one of the first to start tweeting about the incident, and he never said anything about an assault rifle.
He also tweeted later on that he was one of the last three people out of CPP and he said they did not see or hear any shots fired. "That is shocking devel." he said at 9:05 PM EST in response to Abby D. Phillip, who is a "Washington Post Political Reporter" according to her Twitter bio. Phillip had tweeted that the suspect had fired his weapon.
Here is a first hand witness who was in CPP during the incident and who is saying, in a tweet to Phillip, that he was one of the last three people out and yet they never saw or heard any shots. This would seem to contradict Phillip's regurgitating of the claims of police in her tweet which said,
Just to be perfectly clear how real this was: The suspect actually fired his weapon, according to police.
Phoebe Connelly, an "exec. producer/product owner" for Wapo according to her bio, earlier tweeted Silmi asking for permission to use his photos. So Wapo was clearly aware of Silmi, as they should have been.
Yet Phillip took no interest in Silmi's comment, at least not publicly in a tweeted response to him. To my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) no witnesses reported seeing or hearing any gun shots, that is all coming from police reports.
Debra Alfarone, at TV Anchor at WUSA9, tweeted at 4:57 PM EST that,
Police Chief Peter Newsham says man walked into Comet Ping Pong & fired into the ground - more than 1 shot.
So who exactly saw or heard these shots? Was this after everyone but the suspect had left CPP? He shot the ground for no reason? And no one outside the building was within ear shot?
And what kind of gun did he have? Silmi clearly confirms multiple times that it was a shotgun, and he confirms that he did indeed make visual contact with the suspect.
Another individual, Kent Hoshiko, tweeted that he was hiding in the Red Fox coffee shop next door, and also that he heard no shots. He stated that he was about to head into CPP prior to the incident, indicating that he was never inside CPP when the events began. And he said that CPP employees and customers came over to his location in Red Fox after everyone left CPP, and that CPP employees told him that the man exiting CPP with his hands on his head was the guy who entered with the gun, indicating that Hoshiko never saw the man with the gun originally.
Hoshiko did say that the man was carrying, "what appeared to be an assault rifle" but that was directly after saying CPP employees and customers had come over to Red Fox. So it seems that this is based off of second hand reports from unidentified witnesses.
Have any witnesses been identified who have reported seeing a rifle?
Gareth Wade, a Washington resident inside CPP, said to the Washington Post,
The servers came up to us and said, uh, a man had just walked into the building past us into the back of the building, he seems to have, like, a shotgun or a rifle type of thing, um, and said we ought to vacate the buildings. So we walked out the front of the building, um, took our pizzas and our beer. [laughing]
Wade makes it sound as though it was the servers who told him about the suspect and the shotgun/rifle, neither he nor his friend made any indication that they had visual contact with the armed suspect (and of course idiot Wapo doesn't bother to ask basic fucking questions).
In addition, Silmi tweeted, "I think he was trying to stash the shotgun in the back to use later on," Hoshiko tweeted, "Employees said he walked past everyone towards the back of the restaurant," and Wade said, "a man had just walked into the building past us into the back of the building." What exactly was he doing trying to get to the back? What kind of interaction did he have with anyone before heading towards that location?
Benjamin Freed and Jessica Sidman of the Washingtonian wrote,
Acting DC Police Chief Peter Newsham told reporters Sunday evening that Welch walked into Comet Ping Pong and did fire at least one shot into the ground. Police added that the Welch's car is registered in North Carolina.
Welch made no vocal threats or demands during the incident inside Comet Ping Pong, police say.
What? So he made no verbal threats or demands (these two paragraphs are still in the article as of now), he just made a non-verbal threat of firing into the ground at some point, which no one heard or saw, and then the police just reported the shots at a later time? How exactly do "journalists" string these two paragraphs together without any clarification??
The official police report released on the 5th, which, naturally, is extremely vague, says Welch pointed a firearm at an employee who fled and then called the police. Then Welch, "proceeded to discharge the rifle inside of the establishment." Two firearms were recovered inside the location and an additional weapon was recovered from Welch's vehicle, according to the report.
Everyone but the police, and apparently one employee whom they interviewed, keeps saying the suspect just walked towards the back without saying anything. The Washingtonian article also stated,
Matt Carr owns Little Red Fox, a cafe and coffeeshop next door to Comet. Carr was making sandwiches when a couple of Comet Ping Pong waiters rushed in his cafe and market and told him to lock the doors.
They'd seen the man with a gun blow past the host stand and head to the back of the restaurant. He didn't say a word to anyone from what they could tell.
Did he do a silent drive-by pointing of the firearm as he tip-toed full steam towards the back? Then he placed a silencer on the assault rifle and shot the floor a few times after patiently waiting for everyone to get completely out of ear shot?
A Washington Post article published at 8:07 AM EST on December 5th provided much needed clarification on these obvious questions,
Police said Welch proceeded to discharge the rifle inside the restaurant; they think that all other occupants had fled when Welch began shooting.
They think? How about you fucking ask them? They don't know? Did they interview any witnesses at any point?
The article continued,
A D.C. police report made public Monday says Welch had been armed with an AR-15 assault-style rifle. The report also says police seized a Colt .38 caliber handgun and a shotgun. One of those weapons was found inside the restaurant; the other in the suspect's car. Police did not specify the locations.
The Metropolitan PD provided documents later published by the Washingtonian which contained the seven charges against Welch: assault with a dangerous weapon, carrying a pistol without a license (outside home or place of business), unlawful possession of ammunition, unlawful discharge of a firearm, possession of an unregistered firearm/unlawful possession of a firearm or destructive device, possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device, and destruction of property $1,000 or more.
The assault with a dangerous weapon charge lists "handgun, shotgun, rifle" and alleges that the assault occurred inside the restaurant.
The carrying a pistol without a license charge does not list a weapon (I suppose it's presumed to be the handgun), and alleges that this occurred inside the restaurant.
The unlawful possession of ammunition charge lists "handgun, shotgun, rifle" and alleges that this occurred inside the restaurant.
The unlawful discharge of a firearm charge lists "handgun, shotgun, rifle" and alleges that this occurred inside the restaurant.
The possession of an unregistered firearm charge lists "handgun, shotgun, rifle" and alleges that this occurred inside the restaurant.
The possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device charge lists "handgun, shotgun, rifle" and alleges that this occurred inside the restaurant.
And the destruction of property charge is presumably related to the items listed below all of the charges, which includes a door, door lock, computer tower, and barrier wall.
Also listed are a Colt AR-15, Colt .38 handgun, a shotgun "unknown or unlisted," and a folding knife, among other miscellaneous items. The report did not specify where the weapons were recovered.
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Continuing...
If Welch had the handgun inside the restaurant as the "carrying a pistol without a license" charge indicates, and Welch also had a shotgun and a rifle inside the restaurant, as indicated by the other charges as well as Silmi's witness report and Hoshiko's second hand witness report, then what gun could have possibly been in the car?
Why didn't Silmi report seeing any rifle? How did Welch carry both a shotgun and a rifle into the restaurant, did he have one strapped onto his back? Why didn't anyone report seeing him carrying two guns? If either the shotgun or the rifle were left in the car then why did different witnesses apparently see both at various times?
The media reports have been repeatedly asserting that Welch stormed into the restaurant with an "assault rifle" yet the most outspoken and clear witness who was there, who was also allegedly one of the last to leave, never reported seeing any rifle, and confirmed multiple times that the suspect had a shotgun. Did Welch have the AR-15 shoved up his ass?
The very objective press release published on the DC government website from Metropolitan PD made sure to round it off with,
Thank you for giving us your esteemed opinion about the veracity of an online conspiracy theory, next time just fill out the fucking paperwork. To their credit though, they did respond with almost unbelievable speed.
The aforementioned Washingtonian piece says that Little Red Fox owner Matt Carr "saw at least seven to nine police cars swarm the restaurant" within two to three minutes. Seven to nine police cars within a few minutes?
CPP was reportedly heightening its security during music shows, and police were certainly aware of the torrential downpour of death threats alleged by Alefantis, but still seven to nine or more police vehicles within minutes is quite extraordinary. It's almost as if they were somehow tipped off beforehand.
Hilariously, various DC media personnel have been publishing tweets indiscriminately ridiculing the undifferentiated mass of "conspiracy theorists," whom they refer to as "mouth-breathers," because some might suspect that Welch and others were part of a "false flag op."
Here's a thought: maybe do your fucking jobs and learn how to write a fucking article. This would typically include such ground breaking methods as asking witnesses, "what did you see?"
Also helpful would be attempting to stitch together the evidence into a clear coherent picture so people can actually understand what the fuck happened. If there are seeming contradictions then attempting to gain further clarification with witnesses and police would probably go a long way in minimizing any confusion.
What the media does not understand, or refuses to understand, is that not every "conspiracy theorist" will be a proponent of a particular theory no matter what. Given ample evidence they might adjust their position. Many conspiracy theorists are critical thinkers who have simply committed the deadly sin of not blindly accepting incoherent contradictions even when those contradictions come from a place of supposed authority or from those operating under the pretense of "investigative journalism" (puke).
The mainstream media, until its dying breath (and it is dying), will maintain at all costs that us "mouth-breathers" have no justification for being suspicious towards them. Yet it's obvious that a large portion of that suspicion is driven by their embarrassing levels of incompetence and all out refusal to investigate those whom they rub elbows with, lest they lose their precious press access and invites to cocktail parties.
Rather than accept any responsibility it's simply easier to act like buffoons and point the finger at their supposed political enemies (even though not everyone interested in pizzagate, such as myself, is a Donald Trump supporter).
TL;DR; All the reports are still in conflict and the mainstream media is filled with 2nd graders
pizzagateinvestigate ago
Here is the timeline:
December 4th, 2016
Sharif Silmi, Esq @bayreef 3:04 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 @NBCNews @NPR guy with shotgun entered @cometpingpong 3pm - link - archive
Alan Henney @alanhenney 3:04 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 MAN W/RIFLE AT COMET PIZZA, Connecticut Av and Nebraska Av NW-DC. MPD surrounding restaurant and may be calling SWAT-ERT. - link - archive
Sharif Silmi, Esq @bayreef 3:06 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 @asmamk guy just walked in comet Pizza with shotgun - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:11 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 A man just walked into the Comet restaurant in DC with a rifle. No shots heard. I'm ok, hiding in the red fox coffeeshop next door. - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:14 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Lots of police on location but nobody's talked to us yet. Doors are locked. Haven't heard anything. - link - archive
Alan Henney @alanhenney 3:17 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 u/d MAN w/RIFLE IN COMET PINGPONG, 5037 Ct Av- Man rpt'd inside rear room of Comet. SWAT-ERT en rte to cmd post at firehouse. Roads CLOSED. - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:18 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Police are here and surrounded the building. Employees said he walked past everyone towards the back of the restaurant. - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:18 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Employees and customers ran out, and several came in to the Red Fox with me. Man was carrying what appeared to be an assault rifle. - link - archive
Report: Man with Rifle at Comet Ping Pong in Chevy Chase Update: Man surrendered to police. Posted: 3:21 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Archived: 5:29:15 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 "Alan Henney reports just after 3pm" - link - archive
DC Police Department @DCPoliceDept 3:23 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Police Activity: Connecticut Ave between Fessenden St and Nebraska St NW Closed in both Directions. Please seek alternate route. // 10735 - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:24 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 A man just exited comet with his hands on his head. Comet employees with me say it's the guy that entered with a gun. - link - archive
Sharif Silmi, Esq @bayreef 3:24 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Suspect at #cometpizza apprehended great job @DCPoliceDept (note: Sharif is the one who took the picture of the man alleged to be Edgar Maddison Welch surrendering) - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:27 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 He's been handcuffed and put in a squad car. Police haven't come to escort us out or anything yet though (again, im next door from comet) - link - archive
Alan Henney @alanhenney 3:28 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 u/d COMET PINGPONG, 5037 Ct Av NW-DC. A man has surrendered to PD. SWAT-ERT and bomb techs will sweep Comet and man's car parked outside. - link - archive
jeffgep @jeffgep 3:30 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Major police presence near #comet pizza in #Northwest DC near the corner of Connecticut and Nebraska. Man arrested. - link - archive
Mike Reinitz @reintzgebot @PoPville police with guns drawn outside Comet 3:30 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 @PoPville police with guns drawn outside Comet - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:31 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Rebekah and i were literally about to walk into the restaurant when I remembered i was parked illegally. Moved the car, and in that time... - link - archive
PoPville @PoPville 3:33 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Comet Ping Pong Man with Rifle update from @alanhenney: "A man has surrendered" - link - archive
Ryan Snow @ryanpsnow 3:35 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 from Washington, DC The crazy conspiracy theorists behind #pizzagate are now armed and my n'hood is barracaded. #comet @realDonaldTrump - link - archive
jeffgep @jeffgep 3:37 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 police guns drawn not sure what's coming on ... @fox5dc - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:37 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Comet employees with me say that all their employees are accounted for. But the place was also filled with customers. - link - archive
Kirby @KirbyReitz 3:39 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Was walking to CVS when people came out of Comet Pizza. Employee mentioned possible gunmen. Serious police presence within minutes. - link - archive
Stephanie Ramirez @RamirezReports 3:41 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 @DCPoliceDept spokesperson says police received report of a man w/gun at the Comet pizzeria on CT Ave. @wusa9 - link - archive
Stephanie Ramirez @RamirezReports 3:44 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Told @DCPoliceDept supervisors are searching but so far no evidence of gunman discovered. Heavy investigation underway @wusa9 #pizzagate - link - archive
Cameron @dasTurbo 3:47 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Down the street from #Comet - link - archive
Sharif Silmi, Esq @bayreef 3:47 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Police still clearing the block #cometpizza - link - archive
Kent Hoshiko @Kenttouch_this 3:48 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 SWAT now entering Comet. Presumably clearing it. Again: a man has already been arrested. - link - archive
Stephanie Ramirez @RamirezReports 3:49 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Still a very active scene. Watching SWAT team & chopper. Officers focused in area of CT and Nebraska @wusa9 - link - archive
DC Police Department @DCPoliceDept 3:50 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Update: suspect armed w/ assault rifle taken into custody. - link - archive
UPDATES: Man With Rifle Arrested at Comet Pizza in DC; Restaurant Target of PizzaGate Theories Posted: 3:52 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Archived: 4:25:14 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 - link - archive
Stephanie Ramirez @RamirezReports 3:53 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 @DCPoliceDept tweeted a suspect armed w/ assault rifle taken into custody @wusa9 #pizzagate - link - archive
jeffgep @jeffgep 3:55 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 I was ordered back inside here's my view from my neighbors window @fox5dc - link - archive
Suspect armed with assault rifle enters Comet Ping Pong, is apprehended Updated: 3:57 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016, Posted: 3:23 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 Archived: 4:06:28 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 - link - archive
DC Police Department @DCPoliceDept Archived: 3:57:23 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 - link - archive
Franak Viačorka @franakviacorka 3:59 PM EST - 4 Dec 2016 There's a gunman at #comet pizza restaurant now in #DC - link - archive