Well said man, sorry if I came off too harsh on you, I had just come from the middle of a mudfight with some real nutjobs on a different thread and it distorted my perception. Continue to fight the good fight, my man.
Let's not forget the witchhunting that you are doing in this very post that is contributing to the division. In desperately attempting to avoid it, your paranoia is furthering the efforts of the enemy without them even having to lift a finger. Smh.
The web belongs to them. You've been providing them with ammunition to use against you for months just like every person who has trusted in "privacy" on the net. Think without it.
Can we create our own Website/Forum on our own domain? Being dependent on platforms like Reddit or Voat isn't sustainable and you never know when a host platform could get cucked enough to throw you out. We shouldn't care if less people will visit the website compared to the sub if we move, The only thing that matters is that is that the dedicated investigators will.
The antisemites who briefly showed up all over were an obvious factory product, although I think they were more likely chan-manufactured for lolz rather than a from-the-top villain.
Yeah i agree with this about reddit. Ive always felt like that place was the normie cult headquarters. The idea of it is cool, but its just so fuckin gay in actual real life.
If this gets taken down, then you are welcome over at /v/webofslime, where I have been following the many facets of this issue.
I do feel that there is a wider issue of systemic corruption involved and that the crimes involved are all encompassing. We are looking at the new evolution of organized crime.
Either way, make sure you are all making noise on the Internet.
Lucky for you, the admins here do not ban new accounts spouting presumptive reasoning. Its sort of the cornerstone of conspiracy theory.
Pizzagate became a psyop the second it hit cable news. That does not mean that the crimes did not happen. It does mean that 'mutual exclusivity' is a term worth pondering.
As for that video, its just one of those youtube clickbait conspiracy guys. Anyone who takes numerology seriously when looking at names and letters gets dismissed from my consideration pretty fast.
HOWEVER: Don't let one guy with a horribly reasoned argument turn you away from their conclusion. For example, If I tell you that I know the earth is round because I had a vision where I talked to ancient aliens, you're not going start believing flat-earth theory... right?
All possibilities must be considered, otherwise everyone here is wasting their time, and risking their safety for nothing.
Nothing gets done at this scale. Many of these users are spreading lies, or at least roumors that they pass off as fact. Every little misunderstanding sends talented researchers on false leads.
This isnt an election, its an investigation. Ruw numbers are indipendent of performance. Id rather have 20 researchers that I trust, than 5000 of whatever we have here. Every idiot and shill counts against us three-fold here. "More the marrier" is self destruction when the stakes are this high.
Good points to be sure, but we will have those 20 core researchers no matter what. Ultimately, we need vast public attention on this if we want action to occur though. Once the core group of researchers, you, I, whomever they may be, come across the real smoking gun, having enough attention already available to immediately get the public eye on that evidence will be key in bringing these scumbags down.
Valid points as well. This might just come down to what environment we each prefer to work in. The noise-to-signal ratio is just a little far out for me right about now.
If we're driven to a new location, don't worry about the "mods" of the new place
Please dear god, drive us out now.
I'm worried we will end up stuck here, where users that ask questions are asked to leave, and removed if they don't comply. We fucked up in letting this sub become the center for this research. Nothing good will come of research in this environment.
Please voaters: If you find a good place to discuss pizzagate, don't tell anyone. Same thing will happen there that happened here.
Old Usenet groups. Many are virtually empty of new content but archives remain. Some are kept alive by a few people (like the kubrick group. Alt.movies.kubrick) There are already pizzagate posts on different usenet groups. You can search it from a usenet group search box. They are the dustbin of the internet. No moderator.
Is this maybe useful for communicating now and in the future? I'm hoping that Voat.co remains the place to be for the most part but yeah, alternatives are good.....I haven't used this platform yet or any of its multiple iterations but I'm hoping that someone a little more knowledgeable than myself might be able to chime in here as to how this may or may not be useful to us.
http://matrix.org/ and
https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html (this page has a lot of interesting stuff, a lot of which is a bit over my head)
Unfortunately, anything mentioned could be a honeypot specifically for PG investigators. Go out and find shit that was posted in irrelevant places talking about irrelevant things - politically speaking. Best advice I've got.
Seeing many new accounts here posting .host and .review sites i would NOT visit those sites, they could be places to collect IP addresses of people investigating
If you go to 8ch, do not post anything that is not direct evidence-backed links to pizzagate itself, and SAGE (google it) posts that are forum sliding or disinformation.
This is going to make people laugh, but old tech might do in a real pinch. There's got to be something like a fax-blast anonymizer still out there that could be dusted off for something like this. Old tech, or just non-tech.
This is wisdom that will be next to impossible for some to fathom but necessary. Privacy was once prized above convenience and speed. Bring it back and confound the powers of the air.
Yes, if we could get a consensus, and maybe even add it to the bottom of the stickied post, of where a good second (and third) place to congregate would be. And PLEASE everyone, keep ARCHIVING everything!!
All I know is I posted a little while ago, a YT where a veteran there shows how G has removed the 'NEWS' link on the top, ONLY when you search on CPP. AND the last few days, the algorithmj for what comes up on duckduckgo for 'voat/pizzagate' search has changed...
Edit: I should say I think it's a good idea to have a Plan B and C and D.
ExiledAnubis ago
Well said man, sorry if I came off too harsh on you, I had just come from the middle of a mudfight with some real nutjobs on a different thread and it distorted my perception. Continue to fight the good fight, my man.
FuckReddit69 ago
THIS TIMES A JIZZILLION. GOOD THINKING FELLOW FAG.
algernon4peace ago
hahaha you guys are awesome -- great post!
ExiledAnubis ago
Let's not forget the witchhunting that you are doing in this very post that is contributing to the division. In desperately attempting to avoid it, your paranoia is furthering the efforts of the enemy without them even having to lift a finger. Smh.
Glencannon ago
The web belongs to them. You've been providing them with ammunition to use against you for months just like every person who has trusted in "privacy" on the net. Think without it.
FateBender ago
Can we create our own Website/Forum on our own domain? Being dependent on platforms like Reddit or Voat isn't sustainable and you never know when a host platform could get cucked enough to throw you out. We shouldn't care if less people will visit the website compared to the sub if we move, The only thing that matters is that is that the dedicated investigators will.
B3nd3r ago
nntpchan
lawfag123 ago
Gab.ai
B3nd3r ago
you know what a gabai is?
lawfag123 ago
Ya a new social network, are you on it too?
B3nd3r ago
maybe. maybe not.
https://archive.is/mJ0Cg
it's literally correct the fucking record.
lawfag123 ago
Shit mon
B3nd3r ago
statement.
lawfag123 ago
Thanks. I agree. And I just learned about webofslime
frankenmine ago
See the pro-free-speech social networks & forums section here:
https://voat.co/v/news/comments/1315115
thicktail1730947 ago
The antisemites who briefly showed up all over were an obvious factory product, although I think they were more likely chan-manufactured for lolz rather than a from-the-top villain.
Baconmon ago
You guys at least need a back-up IRC channel to go to, at least so every one can meet there and figure out which site to migrate to next..
HomeboyChris ago
Yeah i agree with this about reddit. Ive always felt like that place was the normie cult headquarters. The idea of it is cool, but its just so fuckin gay in actual real life.
HopeStillFlies ago
chan.today is also functional for this purpose.
Kal ago
Pretty sure they brought some serious heat with them. I think voats canary is dead.
Kal ago
Is irc too complicated for you guys?
srayzie ago
Please make it mobile friendly. I use an iPad and I've seen others are using their phones
webofslime ago
If this gets taken down, then you are welcome over at /v/webofslime, where I have been following the many facets of this issue.
I do feel that there is a wider issue of systemic corruption involved and that the crimes involved are all encompassing. We are looking at the new evolution of organized crime.
Either way, make sure you are all making noise on the Internet.
srayzie ago
What about message boards like godlikeproductions or something. A forum?
Holabebe ago
Guys come to steemit.com no government can't take us down.
Sciency ago
Lucky for you, the admins here do not ban new accounts spouting presumptive reasoning. Its sort of the cornerstone of conspiracy theory.
Pizzagate became a psyop the second it hit cable news. That does not mean that the crimes did not happen. It does mean that 'mutual exclusivity' is a term worth pondering.
As for that video, its just one of those youtube clickbait conspiracy guys. Anyone who takes numerology seriously when looking at names and letters gets dismissed from my consideration pretty fast.
HOWEVER: Don't let one guy with a horribly reasoned argument turn you away from their conclusion. For example, If I tell you that I know the earth is round because I had a vision where I talked to ancient aliens, you're not going start believing flat-earth theory... right?
All possibilities must be considered, otherwise everyone here is wasting their time, and risking their safety for nothing.
Rigg5 ago
I think the numbers will grow when people listen to the JRE Podcast this week. They will come in wanting to know wtf pizzagate is
Lunari ago
I was thinking that earlier.... would be a good option.
Sciency ago
You kidding me? Leaving is exactly what half of these newfriends need to do.
ExiledAnubis ago
Yes, let's discourage newcomers to the cause. Are you insane? How does a cause grow if it becomes an exclusive club?
Sciency ago
Nothing gets done at this scale. Many of these users are spreading lies, or at least roumors that they pass off as fact. Every little misunderstanding sends talented researchers on false leads.
This isnt an election, its an investigation. Ruw numbers are indipendent of performance. Id rather have 20 researchers that I trust, than 5000 of whatever we have here. Every idiot and shill counts against us three-fold here. "More the marrier" is self destruction when the stakes are this high.
ExiledAnubis ago
Good points to be sure, but we will have those 20 core researchers no matter what. Ultimately, we need vast public attention on this if we want action to occur though. Once the core group of researchers, you, I, whomever they may be, come across the real smoking gun, having enough attention already available to immediately get the public eye on that evidence will be key in bringing these scumbags down.
Sciency ago
Valid points as well. This might just come down to what environment we each prefer to work in. The noise-to-signal ratio is just a little far out for me right about now.
Sciency ago
Please dear god, drive us out now.
I'm worried we will end up stuck here, where users that ask questions are asked to leave, and removed if they don't comply. We fucked up in letting this sub become the center for this research. Nothing good will come of research in this environment.
Please voaters: If you find a good place to discuss pizzagate, don't tell anyone. Same thing will happen there that happened here.
rp5x5 ago
Old Usenet groups. Many are virtually empty of new content but archives remain. Some are kept alive by a few people (like the kubrick group. Alt.movies.kubrick) There are already pizzagate posts on different usenet groups. You can search it from a usenet group search box. They are the dustbin of the internet. No moderator.
Cantilever ago
You nailed it perfectly. It's commercial advertising cloaked as "interesting content" for the lemming sharddit userbase
Cantilever ago
Your upvoats are disappearing. Seriously, wtf?
SecularPenguinist ago
Why not an .onion site on Tor? It would be very difficult for them to identify anyone or shut the site down.
BC_Based ago
Is this maybe useful for communicating now and in the future? I'm hoping that Voat.co remains the place to be for the most part but yeah, alternatives are good.....I haven't used this platform yet or any of its multiple iterations but I'm hoping that someone a little more knowledgeable than myself might be able to chime in here as to how this may or may not be useful to us. http://matrix.org/ and https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html (this page has a lot of interesting stuff, a lot of which is a bit over my head)
Shepherdess ago
Seen.is and Gab.ai?
Crensch ago
https://i.sli.mg/wnNzf7.png
Crensch ago
Unfortunately, anything mentioned could be a honeypot specifically for PG investigators. Go out and find shit that was posted in irrelevant places talking about irrelevant things - politically speaking. Best advice I've got.
Crensch ago
Everyone here is responsible for their own OpSec.
Crensch ago
If you go to 8ch, do not post anything that is not direct evidence-backed links to pizzagate itself, and SAGE (google it) posts that are forum sliding or disinformation.
Crensch ago
I, for one, would be a helluva plant.
The rest of your post is spot on.
Aynswer2 ago
We have reddit, voat, chans, twitter, facebook, email, letters. Whatever it takes to keep the truth going.
Have faith that pedes do not disappear no matter what internet lies you see.
srayzie ago
and gab.ai
B3nd3r ago
search for a translation of the word "gabai". Come to your own conclusions.
srayzie ago
Oh that's weird. But I think it's just coincidence. I don't think they choose the ai part
B3nd3r ago
You think domain registrations happen by accident? If I register a domain I choose the top level domain, it's not randomly assigned.
srayzie ago
I don't know anything about that kind of stuff. I didn't know you could just choose the last 2 letters
B3nd3r ago
you
can.have to. This part is called top level domain if you want to read more about it. Nothing about the name of a website is random.srayzie ago
Wow
tucker123 ago
This is going to make people laugh, but old tech might do in a real pinch. There's got to be something like a fax-blast anonymizer still out there that could be dusted off for something like this. Old tech, or just non-tech.
Glencannon ago
This is wisdom that will be next to impossible for some to fathom but necessary. Privacy was once prized above convenience and speed. Bring it back and confound the powers of the air.
GoodGodKirk ago
don't forget pastebin!
RecycledUser ago
Yes, if we could get a consensus, and maybe even add it to the bottom of the stickied post, of where a good second (and third) place to congregate would be. And PLEASE everyone, keep ARCHIVING everything!!
23eulogy23 ago
Is this site about to be taken down? I thought voat was a "safe space" free from censorship and that's why people come here from reddit
GaslightCoffee ago
'safe' in that Atko isn't going to kick us out, but a criminal investigation may.
whisky_cat ago
This is the correct assessment. As long as these researchers don't over-dox or link to child porn I don't see anything changing for some time.
RecycledUser ago
All I know is I posted a little while ago, a YT where a veteran there shows how G has removed the 'NEWS' link on the top, ONLY when you search on CPP. AND the last few days, the algorithmj for what comes up on duckduckgo for 'voat/pizzagate' search has changed... Edit: I should say I think it's a good idea to have a Plan B and C and D.
happy_snek ago
Duckduckgo uses Yahoo's engine on the backside. If you can verify the same behavior on Yahoo, don't blame Duckduckgo.
RecycledUser ago
ok
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
This is the United States. There is no free space.
anonentity ago
Why not out of US jurisdiction.