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I will be brief however straight to the point. I am seeing way to much left blaming on this issue. While it appears right now the left is involved with this scandal. Historically it is a bipartisan issue, both sides are highly entrenched. We also need to keep things focused purely as "stopping evil people, no matter, their race religion, political affiliation". Second, we need to be logical, objective, and entrench ourselves with the concepts of logic (Ref=http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/ memorize make it part of your psyche). This is about the children. I will make a post soonish detailing the potential numbers involved, I will say based on quick equations of the numbers we are looking at a Holocaust size event. Our primary and only motivator is to save the children. Political, religious, and economic ideologies are irrelevant.
Reasons why this needs to happen.
- It is stop the alienation of allies on all sides of the political, philosophical, and economic spectrum. Rather they are socialist, capitalists, libertarian, right wing, or left wing; or they are christian atheist, jew or muslim we are united in stopping evil people.
- According to Sun Tzus art of war, this will eliminate a vector of attack from our enemies. No longer they can write off as a conspiracy movement of the right...but as a movement of justice and humanitarian force that is made up of a united front.
- Finally motivation, if there are political motivations behind every investigation. It will create bias and affect the investigation. It can lead to skipping or missing over evidence. Skew the interpretation of evidence, or influence conclusions. Most importantly the motivation is more being politically right than saving the kids.
I am not saying this is everyone, however I have see many posts on various social mediums that are to political or religious and the MSM is 100% using it as an avenue of attack. Let us drop our religious, economic, and political banners and work together to save these children and stop evil. I am saying this as a Progressive who wants evil destroyed.
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ravagedblade1588 ago
(Oh boy, well ignoring the fact you are doing exactly what I saying should be happening let me answer your paragraph piece by peace.)
Go to hell (Ad Hominem, instead of address my statement as a whole you attack the person.)
, 4chan (the scum of the internet as you call them) (Last I checked I never said such a claim, assumptions do not help your argument to a person you know nothing about.) found this shit while you "progressives" were busy spreading degeneracy.
(Irrelevant who found it first, what matters is the content; this is not at all relevant to the scandal itself. Second part if you pay attention to the current political climate. Liberals and progressives are no longer the same thing. Notice in all the protests of the election they are claiming progressives for trumps win. Third, majority of the country doesn’t know about this, and I am sure majority of them are of various political and ideological beliefs. Again and other logical fallacy of bias generalization)
It seems to be entirely the left side involved in this pedophile ring and that's no coincidence. (I am not, various progressives are not, but historically republicans are also involved like Reagan and the Bushes, these are dating back well into the 70s and 80s. The logical fallacy here is you are committing is suppressed evidence; you are trying to ignore the wealth of evidence this being a bipartisan problem. Not to mention another over generalizing fallacy. )
You completely fail to see that it was degeneracy and destruction of Christian values (and being more PROGRESSIVE) that lead to this occultist, satanic shit. (Last I checked the religious values do not have that much of an impact. Majority of Criminals are Christians, What are Christian values, because what I know of Jesus your first three words are in direct violation of these values. So it seems you do not value Christian values. Also, Progressives are what fought against trusts, for civil rights, for better work conditions…and incase you didn’t know Progressives started in the Republican Party Teddy Roosevelt anyone? As for the occult shit, I don’t care I am a secular person, to me evil and harmful beliefs that hold bad progress is what I care about. )
You're a concern troll trying to skew the narrative or you don't really understand what we are fighting. (Care to elaborate how I am trolling (when I am attempting to unify), what narrative I am skewing I gather and only see evil people. When the court cases happen whatever party they pretended to be will not be relevant. I understand we are fighting evil and that is where we should focus on. All other items are irrelevant unless it benefits the children or brings these monsters to justice.)
This post is exactly what I am referring; let me tell you how this comes off to other people. IT comes off as you care little about the children and more about you ideals being right. So the person skewing this narrative isn’t me, empirical evidence by our own admission seems to projecting the exact thing you are trying to say about someone else. As for Christian values, you do not show them at all.
SnapeDoggyDogg ago
Being a Christian myself, I wonder what your concept of Christian values is. It seems like you're just saying that without actually knowing what you're talking about. You say that his first three words "go to hell" are a direct violation of Christian values. That is a massive stretch. A direct violation would be to commit adultery, or steal, or to commit some act of cruelty such as rape or murder. Saying go to hell is not an ideal, but honestly, it is not much worse than burping in public.
ravagedblade1588 ago
Being a Christian myself, I wonder what your concept of Christian values is. (I simply read exactly what Jesus said. Love Thy Neighbor as yourself, and love god with all your heart mind and soul. The plethora of other verses about how you treat your fellow man, the fact you are 100% supposed to emulating Jesus’ life. The bible says you will know my followers by their fruit. So the fruit I am receiving tells me they do not follow him. It is a fair observation as that is all I have to go off of.)
It seems like you're just saying that without actually knowing what you're talking about. (That is a mighty large assumption. What evidence provided shows I do not know? What facts specifically (citing biblical examples) that I am not getting?)
You say that his first three words "go to hell" are a direct violation of Christian values. That is a massive stretch. (Not at all, taking that as a face value, you are wishing me eternal damnnation and torment for what reason? What have I done specifically in my statement warrants such a comment? Would Jesus say that in response to a call for unity and peace?)
A direct violation would be to commit adultery, or steal, or to commit some act of cruelty such as rape or murder . (Also judging your neighbor, thinking bad thoughts about them, possessing cruel intentions are a few other psychological violations.)
Saying go to hell is not an ideal, but honestly, it is not much worse than burping in public. (Burping in public is nothing, but saying someone go to a place of eternal torture is not. Yes it is a figure of speech for some. However in this context with the other Christians overtones, I think I can make an educated guess on the motive.)
SnapeDoggyDogg ago
Christian values actually state that we are all sinners, and can never be perfect, but that we can call ourselves Christians so long as we're genuinely trying to repent and become better people. So, for somebody to recognize a sin and say that makes you not a Christian is really a huge misunderstanding of the religion. It's not useful to track down specific biblical examples, because that again misses the point. You're talking about the bible like is a constitution or a legal document. Religion is something far more personal and complex. Everyone has their own interpretation. Like, for example, I do not believe hell is to be taken literally as torment. Where is my proof? Jesus referred to a person as a temple, and he told people that the kingdom of heaven was now upon them. Clearly heaven and hell can be considered a state of mind/soul. Other proof is that Jesus and his disciples mentioned many times that the bible and the things Jesus said were at times deliberately obfuscated. it is not meant to be easy to understand. Actually the psychological sins all deal with attitudes that tend to last over a period of time. If this person had remained angry at you over a period of time, it starts to become judgement and a sin. But it is very clear that this person is not attacking your actions as an individual, but your idea. That is not judging a neighbor. That is judging an idea. To illustrate just how complex Christian values can be, consider that Jesus attacked the religious leaders of his time as being hypocrites. And when Jesus saw people conducting all sorts of financial deals inside the temple, he got angry and flipped over tables. Is he being judgemental? Depends on your perspective. But didn't he tell us to follow him? Yes. So it's not easy to figure these things out.