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I will be brief however straight to the point. I am seeing way to much left blaming on this issue. While it appears right now the left is involved with this scandal. Historically it is a bipartisan issue, both sides are highly entrenched. We also need to keep things focused purely as "stopping evil people, no matter, their race religion, political affiliation". Second, we need to be logical, objective, and entrench ourselves with the concepts of logic (Ref=http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/ memorize make it part of your psyche). This is about the children. I will make a post soonish detailing the potential numbers involved, I will say based on quick equations of the numbers we are looking at a Holocaust size event. Our primary and only motivator is to save the children. Political, religious, and economic ideologies are irrelevant.
Reasons why this needs to happen.
- It is stop the alienation of allies on all sides of the political, philosophical, and economic spectrum. Rather they are socialist, capitalists, libertarian, right wing, or left wing; or they are christian atheist, jew or muslim we are united in stopping evil people.
- According to Sun Tzus art of war, this will eliminate a vector of attack from our enemies. No longer they can write off as a conspiracy movement of the right...but as a movement of justice and humanitarian force that is made up of a united front.
- Finally motivation, if there are political motivations behind every investigation. It will create bias and affect the investigation. It can lead to skipping or missing over evidence. Skew the interpretation of evidence, or influence conclusions. Most importantly the motivation is more being politically right than saving the kids.
I am not saying this is everyone, however I have see many posts on various social mediums that are to political or religious and the MSM is 100% using it as an avenue of attack. Let us drop our religious, economic, and political banners and work together to save these children and stop evil. I am saying this as a Progressive who wants evil destroyed.
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TruthTrumps ago
Excellent post. Maybe somebody could come up with memes stressing the bipartisan point. There is speculation that people who may be (or are ) involve from both sides include Clintons, Podesta, Scalia, Danny Hastert, Bush Sr. We need to get the bipartisan aspect out there. Pizzagate and Clinton/Podesta involvement is only the tip of the iceberg in a world wide BIpartisan ( or multi partisan) pedophile ring among the elite in politics and royal society.
krisspykriss ago
This is part of the plutocracy. The great snap between lives of the rich vs poor is happening. Here are a few links to specific points in a long lecture. I cover the main points though and it distills the lecture down to a couple short segments. We have a wealth divide that is accelerating and there will come a point where there are two Americas. The average American and the elite. Firstly, on how everyone really does have an increase in income. https://youtu.be/QCu-XnVxhfk?t=20s Secondly, on the concept of a "snap" https://youtu.be/QCu-XnVxhfk?t=13m7s Thirdly, on the complete separation of the elite and the masses. https://youtu.be/QCu-XnVxhfk?t=19m25s
So we have a growing divide in America. It isn't about race, religion, political views, or any of the standard ways of viewing demographics. We have the elite and the masses. We also see growing contempt toward the masses. That is how we have things like Katrina, Flint Michigan, Pizzagate. The elites do not face failing infrastructure, declining education, the prison industry, the militarization of police. Just look at the Bundy Standoff vs NoDAPL. The Bundys were just mere local rich. They were not in the top .1% nor part of the deep state. They were just rich for their area and community. They had an armed standoff with police lasting weeks. No escalation by the government. The shootings were all responses to danger from armed individuals. The water protectors are facing much different conditions. The police are blowing people's arms off with concussion grenades, spraying down protesters with fire hoses in freezing conditions, severely injuring people with rubber bullets. Or to bring it back to Pizzagate, how many of us would have child protective services hounding us for posting images like the ones we have uncovered. Rules for the masses and rules for the elite. Would anyone other than someone as poilitcally connected have gotten away with running a private server (data base) storing State Department communications without being prosecuted? Rules for us and rules for them. Republicans do it too. Pence has his own email issues. This is why an America with two classes of people is bad for America. The poor are disenfranchised politically, economically, educationally, and even judicially. Try running a charity where most of the funds get funneled to you and your friends and see how quickly you get put in jail. Again, Clinton did it but so do Republicans like Trump.
What happens where two cultures in the same nation have such great disparity between them. BOTH sides loss compassion for each other. Both begin to look at each other with contempt. Both start seeing the others as less human. Is there growing contempt from the masses directed at the rich and powerful? YES! That is how Trump was elected. He ran on "Not one of Them". He spoke to the struggles of the working class. He spoke to the issues of the working class. But now that Trump is picking his cabinet, we see he is just the same hop and change BS that Obama promised. He isn't draining the swamp. He is putting in a different set of rich and powerful people. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Obama was Bush Lite. So far it seems Trump is Bush Lager. The same deep state is there. The same elite preying on the masses. They just changed up some of the domestic platform and claim to be changing the imperial nature of the US. Obama is pushing hard to force Trump into a very precarious position before he hands over the keys to the White House. Trump may have little chance to stop the regional conflicts that are already ramping up. Regional conflicts in direct opposition with Russian forces. I am not sure Trump can prevent WW3, but I am hoping and praying he will. Time will tell.
So how does all this fit into Pizzagate? The elite have noticed an ever decreasing demand for labor. The elite have noticed an ever increasing world population. The elite knows these two vectors will cause a very real problem in the near future. While a world wide depopulation plan would be too conspicuous, the death of a thousand cuts can be very banal. Some leaded water here. Ignoring a disaster there. Ignoring violent crime in impoverished communities. Rationing health care based on income. It is a war of attrition. The next phase is a world war. The elite have bunkers and will have rescue efforts. The masses of poor will be left to fight amongst ourselves, attrition. There are only so many resources to allocate. Who will get them? Not us. Pedophilia, baby snatching, drugs, prostitution, fraud... all are focused on the masses and comes from the elite. They no longer even view us as people. We are sub human to them. A source to rape pillage and plunder. We are here for their own proclivities. Nothing displays dominance and fills a sociopath with feeling of power like rape and murder. They keep narc sheets on members to keep them inline with the cult of the elite. Politicians who rock the boat are time and again discredited through sordid revelations of their deeds.
The sooner we put aside the Red Team and Blue Team raw raw raw BS, the sooner we can come together 300,000,000 strong. Stop the violence against the masses. Stop the fake elections. Stop the corruption. Stop the war machine. Stop the drugs, prostitution, assassinations, systemic deaths (Flint, Katrina, and others), outsourcing and death by atrophy of the common American.
Why run a pedophile ring? Because in the long run, they are all dead anyway. Might as well use this resource while it is there for their own amusement. Are the elite really that heartless? Yes, yes they are. There are to many of us and they just want our number culled to a level required for them to continue their elite perks. We are their chattel now to do with as they wish.
ThinkItThru ago
Exactly. Thank you.
starseedlover ago
What would it be like if the "elite" had their own private island where they could do all the shit they wanted amongst themselves as long as they kept it to themselves and didn't bother anyone else. Would that be a solution? Or do you imagine that the "elite" would somehow get reformed and "fixed?" Or all of them executed?
krisspykriss ago
That is what we have today. From private islands to gated communities to large ranches, they already are pretty separated from the general population. They won't rape and murder their own though. They need the masses to partake in such things.
Part of the problem is the system itself. It is based off of complexity and fraud. We saw it in the savings and loan scandals. We saw it in the Dot Com Boom. We saw it in home loans. We are seeing it today in health care. We have had it for generations in politics. From Tweedism to campaign finance to blackmail. The system's complexity is reaching a max pain event. I will give an example. The CEO and top management of VW made a decision to cheat emissions laws. The majority voting stock owners such as the Porsche were left out of the loop. They were basically defrauded by the very management they selected. Their is a silent coup in equities with CEOs and managers becoming increasingly powerful and even keeping voting majority owners holding the bag. The system is cannibalizing itself right now. We have shifted from an entrepreneurial and growth economy to a capitol dominated economy. Now the highest wage earners and capital are each fighting one another on who gets the biggest slice of an ever shrinking pie... ownership of future returns.
No, I am not advocating a great purge of the elite or reeducation camps. In the past all such attempts have just shifted the power from this set of elites to another set of elites. The great Russian Revolution was actually pretty meh. Russians were just as much surfs under the USSR as they were under the Czars. The structure of the economy never really changed much. They went from an authoritarian state with absolute power over the people to... an authoritarian state with absolute power over the people with different heads and a different bureaucracy. The same can be said for China or either Korea. ;)
So long as America worships greed and turns a blind eye to corruption. As long as we allow the wealth of this nation to funnel into fewer and fewer hands, the worse the situation will become. So no, just replacing the elite with new power brokers will not help. We need to acknowledge that there are long held and long lasting systemic issues that are creating the breeding ground for abuses of the elite. You cannot just drain the swamp. The very nature of the ecology of the swamp demands it be refilled with swamp creatures. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
So how can we fix this? It will take at least a generation. More transparency of government. More political influence of the masses. Negation of the elites power of money. Greater diversity in the teaching of economics. From Karl Marx to Ludwig von Mises to Adam Smith (who is often quoted but invariably used out of context). How bloody such a political revolution would be depends entirely on the elite's resistance. The very greediest and most powerful may make us pry their wealth and power from their cold dead hands.
archie01 ago
Great Post! I registered to up vote this post! It should form part of this subverses sticky post.
krisspykriss ago
Thanks. I should edit some of the grammar but honestly I hate editing minor mistakes. It really is becoming Us vs Them, but the elite keep trying to make the masses look amongst the common folks and ignore the rich man on the hill. That is why identity must be squashed now. Men, women, blacks, white, young and old, we are in this together.
ravagedblade1588 ago
I agree.....WE can sort out our differences when we rebuild. The issue here we are fighting psychopaths and sociopaths. They will do anything to win...and we need to be prepared to unite and do the same.
krisspykriss ago
Eventually we may need to cull the cullers. Time will tell.