We need to Depoliticize Pizzagate. (pizzagate)

submitted ago by ravagedblade1588

Repost, phone screwed up formatting Shrug

I will be brief however straight to the point. I am seeing way to much left blaming on this issue. While it appears right now the left is involved with this scandal. Historically it is a bipartisan issue, both sides are highly entrenched. We also need to keep things focused purely as "stopping evil people, no matter, their race religion, political affiliation". Second, we need to be logical, objective, and entrench ourselves with the concepts of logic (Ref=http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/ memorize make it part of your psyche). This is about the children. I will make a post soonish detailing the potential numbers involved, I will say based on quick equations of the numbers we are looking at a Holocaust size event. Our primary and only motivator is to save the children. Political, religious, and economic ideologies are irrelevant.

Reasons why this needs to happen.

  1. It is stop the alienation of allies on all sides of the political, philosophical, and economic spectrum. Rather they are socialist, capitalists, libertarian, right wing, or left wing; or they are christian atheist, jew or muslim we are united in stopping evil people.
  2. According to Sun Tzus art of war, this will eliminate a vector of attack from our enemies. No longer they can write off as a conspiracy movement of the right...but as a movement of justice and humanitarian force that is made up of a united front.
  3. Finally motivation, if there are political motivations behind every investigation. It will create bias and affect the investigation. It can lead to skipping or missing over evidence. Skew the interpretation of evidence, or influence conclusions. Most importantly the motivation is more being politically right than saving the kids.

I am not saying this is everyone, however I have see many posts on various social mediums that are to political or religious and the MSM is 100% using it as an avenue of attack. Let us drop our religious, economic, and political banners and work together to save these children and stop evil. I am saying this as a Progressive who wants evil destroyed.

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oresd ago

Thanks for the sensible post. Every time Hillary gets mentioned I roll my eyes. Just stop. There are clearly pedophiles operating. Stop the political lynch mob and start focusing on evidence.

I believe the evidence will show that a global problem exists with charities based around kids that are havens and networks for abuse.

Big_Willy_Wallace ago

5 days

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Please kill yourself.

TopGun ago

I think everything leads back to the Clinton Foundation, actually, and that is where we should be focusing our energy if PizzaGate is actually real.

While the strongest evidence we have is on Podesta, a little background that you may or may not be aware is that the entire PizzaGate conspiracy theory actually originates from the tip of a mysterious 4Chan anon, FBIAnon.

FBIAnon was an anonymous user claiming to be a FBI agent. He made a couple of bizarrely correct predictions such as the FBI reopening the investigation on Hillary and, specifically, the Clinton Foundation months prior to it happening and attained a cult following.

FBIAnon's strongest message was 'Follow the Clinton Foundation'. FBIAnon was the one that told readers that the Clinton campaign was speaking in code and that the Clinton Foundation was involved in an international human trafficking ring.

So when the Podesta emails began leaking, his followers immediately searched for clues. That is where "Pizzagate" originally came from. His followers immediately leaped on the assumption that "pizza" = "child" when cryptic Podesta emails were published. From there, the rest is history. The PizzaGate community was formed and began making connections everywhere such as Comic Ping Pong, Alefantis, etc.

But what the community forgets is that everything and I mean everything that we have originates from a tip from FBIAnon. If FBIAnon is wrong, then there is a likeliness that this entire theory is trash. A lot of our guesswork is contingent on FBIAnon having made correct predictions about Clinton in the past.

So if you happen to be a staunch liberal, Democrat, or Clinton supporter, that is great! But, you need to be aware that the entirety of PizzaGate actually hinges on the Clinton Foundation. We may have gone on a couple of tangents; but, everything leads back to FBIAnon, who made a couple of correct, insane predictions, and pinned it on her. If that is too political for you, then this conspiracy theory is not for you.

Orange_Circle ago

Can't forget FBI Anon telling us to look at how Mark Cuban makes his money....

shillsmademeregister ago

Guys the CEO of Clinton Foundation Eric Braverman is missing for 39 days now. Someone of his caliber being missing for nearly 40 days is something newsworthy don't you think? Anyone know where Podesta is at least?

ExiledAnubis ago

Agreed - Clinton Foundation is at the core of this rotten apple, but again, their political leanings are largely irrelevant to the actions they are party to. People that commit these atrocities do not align themselves with political views because they cherish them, they align themselves with a party because it is expedient to their selfish goals. Making it a partisan issue detracts from the facts at hand and encourages research bias, besides giving our opponents an easy opening to condemn us in the eyes of a large portion of the public.

Womb_Raider ago

Well, I think the Hillary bit is significant because she and Bill have hung out with Jeff Epstein on his sex island. Not to mention Clinton's campaign manager, Podesta, was involved.

It's hard to de-politicize something when political figures are intimately involved.

postfascion ago

Yeah, just because its bipartisan doesn't mean to say the evidence so far is nullified. They're all do fucking close in DC it surely won't take long for the spotlight to widen.

TryOurSalsa ago

Then they should only be broguht up when speaking of that specific evidence.

This isn't going to go anywhere until it can be de-politicized.

Womb_Raider ago

Didn't Clinton host campaign events at Comet Ping Pong?

oresd ago

There are no FACTS that connect anything here to the Clintons. That Epstien stuff is a totally different situation and shouldn't be brought up until a factual connection is made. That doesn't mean you ignore it, but rather focus attention where it's more valuable and more likely to result in a law enforcement investigation.

NotThe77th ago

The Clintons are right in the middle of this horror, that's nothing against the left, unless your idea of left is as fucking warped as they are.

tstr ago

Your reply is protecting them. There have been more than enough people that have come forward about Bill as well as how many times he was hanging with Epstein. You are NEVER going to find a body on the internet. Can't happen.

Womb_Raider ago

I think if you dug enough, you would find facts that did connect the Clintons.

Hillary had a campaign event at Comet Ping Pong. I think that's significant.

But we need proof. You're right. That's why we need to dig into every lead.

oresd ago

It's not significant. It's just a data point. My larger point is about the sensationalist nature of this talk and how people speak of it with such certainty, and how it distracts from real investigation.

Womb_Raider ago

I guess you have a valid point.

Hey_Sunshine ago

The hard part about connecting people to these cases and the people involved in them are bound with non-disclosure agreements makes it a lot more difficult to try and connect dots together.

There was a post last night that somebody made asking for researchers to look for connections between these civil litigation which are public record to these secret society of pedophiles the only problem is we're dealing with professional lawyers that let know how to play the game better than us lay people.

I really want to help and all but there's not much information to be gleaned from the public record because these people know how to cover their tracks better than most.

ravagedblade1588 ago

To continue to be civil. We have to separate the person from the party. While it is true they are part of the democratic party, I want to emphasize that your observation is true. As i stated historically there seems to be involvement all the way back into the Reagan years. It is logically safe to assume all parties mean little. So I say simplify the issue down to its basic components and that is..evil people doing evil things. When justice is served...what party they were a part of will be irrelevant.