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kekgate ago

yeah thats him. notice the #rugby in pic comments. good work anon.

edit: Man on right may actually be Ian Pope

oresd ago

Excellent catch. While not perfect, this certainly seems conclusive.

It connects Alefantis to a known pedophile. #Rugby, how would he know that? Wow.

Excellent, excellent work. This is exactly what this forum needs instead of this satanic crap connecting Clinton to aliens.

This is a GREAT find.

dindonufin ago

Spirit Cooking was one of the BIGGEST memes of the year. It's not crap.

WellSetTable ago

I never saw discussion of aliens.

RageGoddess ago

Look at the Jimmy Saville case. Was he brought down on satanism/occult charges or pedo charges? There's the answer to this debate about whether or not to make satanism the primary focus.

Melbourne43 ago

Unfortunately, he really wasn't brought down, at least not within his lifetime. If there's life beyond the grave, he probably had a good chuckle over how the complicit prosecution services failed us and enabled him.

ArchonFall4All ago

Nobody is arguing that satanism should be the primary focus. We're merely stating that there is evidence of occultism with these people and rings, and it's worth including it as part of the investigation. I don't understand why there are people so vocal about squashing this discussion. I noticed the same trend on Reddit. A few people would come in and submit one post after another trying to convince people not to talk about satanism. This behavior is very suspicious in my opinion, and it only makes me want to explore the occult aspect even more if brigades of people think it is so important to ignore

Free_Radical ago

Agree. I'm suspicious of anyone who's trying to tell others what they can and can't do instead of simply doing what they prefer.

AliBambii ago

I've never heard of a satanist connection with Jimmy Savile. Is there one?

srayzie ago

It's not the primary focus

roundhouse1776 ago

Except the Satanic stuff is just as real as the pedophilia stuff and they directly tie together. Who gets to decide that's it's important to expose one thing and not the other?

Ample4th ago

Someone trying to deflect always throws in "aliens".

WellSetTable ago

I thought that was odd and the pictures at Comet Ping Pong of red drawn people in two rows with one red person on top of a small figure with a handkerchief under it is a big concern. I would agree above comment is another person trying to encourage the focus off the most important element

ZalesMcMuffin ago

I know I'm replying to a comment that's weeks old now, but... that disturbing artwork you describe is Kim Noble's. It has some similarity to at least one poster for a band which performed at CPP, but it was not in CPP.

WellSetTable ago

The one with the red figures?

SaveTheChildren ago

Agreed. People really need to get off their high horse about what they personally find the most important.

I'm agnostic but find the satanism angle extremely compelling. These people do practice some sort of occult magic. Whether it works or not I don't really have much say, but I believe they think it works, and I believe it's the fabric holding these people together. I personally feel like the pedo angle is just one of the many tentacles of this greater satanic occult Illuminati thing.

ababcb ago

We should focus more on the sex trafficking because it will be easier to convince people of that.

RageGoddess ago

EXACTLY!!!

justforthissubverse ago

Exactly. There is nothing illegal about being a satanist. And quite honestly if we want to convince the general public we must focus on the most simple and believable issues. Regardless of truth. Truth is perception. Anyone in marketing can tell you this and let's not fool ourselves this needs to be SOLD as a theory. The satanic shit will be discovered and brought to light in due course but it is foolish to push that narrative as a starting point if you want to Bend the ear of the general public.
Now ask yourselves... are we about getting results or not? Because if not then by all means start every thread with all caps and Satan references.

RageGoddess ago

This. Just like a PR firm control the narrative for their clients, we need to control the narrative for pizzagate.

justforthissubverse ago

Dumbfucks downvoting me. Don't pay attention to the guy with 20 years in sales and marketing who persuades people all day, every day, for a living.

hopeless

thezodiac ago

Exactly. There is a connection between Alefantis and Marina Abramovic, remember that!

oresd ago

Ok, he knows an artist, so what? Is there any evidence of satanic bla bla? No. A pedo to pedo connection makes sense. Find real evidence of satanic rituals, then start a thread. This is why you get dismissed as wild theories.

RageGoddess ago

You, you're talking sense. I've been saying this since the first day. The satan/occult angle--and now aliens apparently--is a millstone around our neck.

ArchonFall4All ago

Wow, you obviously haven't done much research into other cases of pedophile rings and ritual abuse. Occult practices are a common denominator across many of these stories. I understand if you want to omit satanic references when introducing this to new people, but don't try to bully the investigators and tell them that something should be ignored, especially when there are valid reasons for pursuing it.

RageGoddess ago

Please go on: What are those "valid reasons" for pursuing it? Btw, you can stop accusing people on VOAT.COM/V/PIZZAGATE of not doing their research. That's the only reason they're here...doing research. We've all read about the other cases of pedo rings and guess what...none of them got convicted because of satanism or occult ritual abuse.

Pizzagatethroaway499 ago

Without spirit cooking this wouldn't have gotten the attention in the first place. Not sure where alien stuff came from but like it or not the satanic part IS a relevant and necessary piece to this. None of us made that part up it was them! THESE ANIMALS mascarading around as regular people sent the emails about spirit cooking, and posted pictures of blood on their bodies, and performed "art" including drinking blood, urine, semen, and other human liquids or at the very least collected their work. Theses elitists ALONE connect themselves to the occult and satanism with spoons full of blood(fake or not really doesn't make much of a difference to me) in their mouths. Hillary Clinton was the one who had some of these musicians who spirit cooked with Marina Abramovic performing at her speeches when she ran for president. Leaving that part out would make us as bad as MSM picking and choosing which pieces to report and investigate.

Cbradio ago

Not even sure why Satanism is legal. Sacrificing animals should be illegal and fall under animal abuse. If the animal right groups, esp on Facebook that do daily animal rescue knew about this; they would be livid and loudly advocating. They are a loud group in the USA and worldwide, and would be smart to inform them and get them on board, for they sure make a lot of noise, fast.

Operation Cross Country interviews state girls are sent to Vista Maria or CP's. Vista Maria is Good Shepherd and is connected to Ireland cases. Easy to find a lot on web searches, for USA and worldwide locations, stories, connections to CP's, public healthcare, and us- aid. Many us- aid emails on Wikileaks, including Clinton and Podesta.

Two refugee/ deportee survivors, wrote a book, " Let Haiti Live." Boystown in South Florida and all over the USA is mentioned in the book many times, including the S. FL.location as one of the first places to route minor refugee boys. A dentist is mentioned that is even hired to check the teeth for age. Krones and Broward Jail are where non minor males sent; or aslum ones to Guatima, then routed to Australia, Venezual, Guatoma.

Pg 215 in the book, mentions children sent to VA and NYC, and "sponsor families."

This is clearly systemic with routing, to organize where ones are sent in a process. Krones on Facebook has a lot of refugees on it, complaining. The book, stares that even if ones have relatives, immediate family in the USA, still routed, separated and not allowed in person contact, very limited phone contact that also messes up there foia court cases as cannot contact their attorneys as needed.

Some attorneys post on Krone, Fb that might be able to share more info if contacted.

Motels are also on state fed contracts with public health care, used more to first route all ages of females, and the book states deplorable conditions, not allowed outside and federal cases that have occurred that Bush and others have ignored the court outcomes and created bills to surpass the court orders.

Connections to ever expanded Boys town and Ireland Good Shepard nuns is huge, as are the profits, fundings, mass USA and worldwide locations, programs, hospitals, group homes, sponsor families, schools, medical research, corp connections and more.

A simple web search shows Flanagan is number #47 or #48 on top Npo charity profit, and that is Boys Town. Also, Boystown gold silver IRA and coins, and many web pages of the so called licensed "sellers," of the Boystown gold/ silver IRA and coins. Www.tzadah.org has a lot of financial data, names, connections of many nonprofits.

As there are strong movements to put Satanism in school and after school programs and coloring booklets, be good to make more parents aware. One mom is trying to and has a blog and petition that is based in FL. Fl, Alaska, NYc are mentioned a lot on the web as a string movement to put Satanism in schools. Alaska had a govt ritual recently, and NYC 42 nd area, just built that Satanic monument. A lot of people just do not know about Satanism, so do not teach their kids, streetsmarts about it.

Yet, there are some blogs that list all the cps crimes that have gone to court that involve severe violent satanic crimes with both elite and the populace, since the 1980s. There are thousands of cases listed. I posted that link around two months ago, on Vout.

roundhouse1776 ago

Exactly. Let's not fall into the MSM trap of pushing a narrative. Put all the information out there and let people make up their own minds.

Warnos44 ago

I think oresd means that people are more likely to listen to pedo to pedo connections vs satanic or alien "conspiracies".

Free_Radical ago

Maybe but that's irrelevant. You go where the evidence leads. Focus-testing it for soccer mom demographic would be counter-productive.

RageGoddess ago

Why would that be counter productive? Ideas and products don't just "take off" and become popular without carefully constructing the messaging around them. People will more readily share content that is framed in ideas they're already familiar with (pedo and cp) as opposed to satanism/occult stuff. Soccer moms don't want that on their FB or IG feeds.

Free_Radical ago

Wrong approach. It's not a line of products that have to be sold and compromised for an extra shekel.

You present the truth, the way you see it, and make sure it's as informative and clear as possible - you don't remove pieces of that truth because they might be, theoretically, inconvenient. Some demographics will be curious about the occult leads.

RageGoddess ago

True, it's not a line of products. However, you're mistaken in the idea that strategically controlling and shaping the narrative of pizzagate will somehow compromise the truth. Far from it. If the narrative is not controlled by the researchers, then someone else will do it...that's for sure. We have limited resources. Let's focus them on the areas that will generate the most potential legal action. Satanism is not illegal. Occult magic is not actually real and is also not illegal. The abuse is real, the pictures are real, so researchers, imho, should focus there. That's all. Cheers.

Free_Radical ago

Ideas and products

carefully constructing the messaging

content that is framed

strategically controlling and shaping the narrative

Let's focus them

Let's not.

These kinds of movements only work as a thousand-headed, ever changing, hydra (think Anonymous or Gamergate). You can't co-opt a group without leadership. You can't lead it astray if they're already moving in all directions.

RageGoddess ago

"These movements only work as a thousand-headed, ever changing, hydra"

And the evidence for that claim is Anon and Gamergate? But Anon has official media channels to distribute their highly targeted, carefully constructed messaging. The only way Gamergate is similar in any way to this current pizzagate investigation is that it also had no leader or centralized mouthpiece.

You can't co-opt a group without leadership.

Bro, have you even read any of the info on JTRIG? There are a number of highly effective strategies to control the narrative, disrupt investigations, and derail discussion in disorganized online forums just like this one. Forum sliding is one of them.

Here's my final comment and I'll let you have the last word since I've already made my point several times. Satanism/occult is part of this, yes, BUT we have limited resources. We should focus our resources on the angles/leads that will produce the most actionable evidence. Satanism is not illegal. Occult is not illegal. Therefore, we should focus on the actual illegal activities like pedophilia and cp. Cheers and good luck.