I am a former mod and top contributor at the original r/Pizzagate -- nobody knows who the mod here is ("KingKongisWrong"), his origin is mysterious and he is censoring tons of work (pizzagate)

submitted ago by LegionWill

I'm not trying to cause division here, but my posts along with many others are being deleted.

This mod "KingKongisWrong" is deleting things despite users giving them positive evaluation.

I'm not going to say he is a shill, but it is clear he is subjecting all of us to his arbitrary whims. He deleted my call for international collaboration specifically pertaining to Pizzagate, despite the fact that others upvoted it.

KingKongisWrong refuses to tell people where he came from or what his (her?) history is. Maybe understandable, I suppose.

We do know this much: the censorship is extremely heavy-handed and as a result it is decreasing contributions to this investigation; a perfect way to stifle us.

KingKongisWrong, you need to understand that you cannot just delete things because you personally disagree with them. It is right to look out for obvious shilling, such as the "jewish conspiracy" material, but you cannot just delete legitimate discussions because you don't like them. That's going too far and is beyond the scope of your responsibility, particularly when those discussions are voted up by others.

I'm pointing this out for the sake of the longevity of the investigation.

I have tried to contact KingKongisWrong privately and he is unresponsive. I hate to post this publicly but he (or she) left me with no other option.

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Crensch ago

I'm not trying to cause division here, but my posts along with many others are being deleted.

The only posts I've seen in the modlog, (and I HAVE looked) are shit-tier forum sliding or other subversion types. Follow the damn rules.

CaptnMeowMix ago

If "subversion" and "sliding" posts were objective and quantitatively defined, this would be a lot easier to do. Unfortunately they're not, so it's all to easy to fall into a slippery slope with them.

Complaining about deletions and calling it "censorship" when reddit admins do it, then turning around and suggesting it's okay when WE do it, doesn't exactly bode well for the future of this effort here, regardless of what's being filtered.

Crensch ago

If the sub was created to be a subverse for an investigation, then almost by definition, shitposts, clutter, subversion and sliting are detrimental to the entire subverse.

Yes, it's not objective or quantitatively defined, but I'll bet money that if you have an obscure post and in the first comment describe how it's linked, it won't go anywhere.

Any other strategy for a sub like this is a losing one. Period.

CaptnMeowMix ago

Any other strategy for a sub like this is a losing one. Period.

False dichotomy. Placing ambiguous ad-hoc rules to filter things isn't an investigative strategy, it's just a way of rate-limiting information, as any other moderation protocol would be. Actually having a concrete plan of action like following a set of leads is an investigative strategy, but that's orthogonal to the modding issue.

Regardless, if this assessment were true, then we wouldn't constantly see the biggest breaks and leads coming from 4chan of all places, since they're 99% "shitposts" and "clutter".

Crensch ago

False dichotomy. Placing ambiguous ad-hoc rules to filter things isn't an investigative strategy,

I didn't say it was an investigative strategy, it's an organizational one - basically reducing clutter and crap so people can see relevant info.

CaptnMeowMix ago

Fair enough. Does depend on what the mods want the sub to be though, since like I alluded to with the 4chan reference, actual investigative work seems to flourish more with chaos. Same phenomenon seems to be happening with the pizzagate chat channels as well.

If on the other hand, they're trying to prioritise making this into a kind of archive to point new people and media to, then they should make that a bit more clear.

Crensch ago

Fair enough. Does depend on what the mods want the sub to be though, since like I alluded to with the 4chan reference, actual investigative work seems to flourish more with chaos.

I'd counter with the idea that some find chaos stimulating, and others find it to be clutter and off-putting. I understand the chans, and am able to wade through the shit, but I'd prefer an orderly investigation to chaos any day.

If on the other hand, they're trying to prioritise making this into a kind of archive to point new people and media to, then they should make that a bit more clear.

Perhaps that could be the way to go. The head mod is open to such ideas, if you'd like to ping him here. Alternatively, it could be that the removal of the utter crap-tier stuff was less about making an archive and more about keeping the conversation focused on the investigation instead of unfounded, outlandish claims and other random troll/shitposts.