I'm not trying to cause division here, but my posts along with many others are being deleted.
This mod "KingKongisWrong" is deleting things despite users giving them positive evaluation.
I'm not going to say he is a shill, but it is clear he is subjecting all of us to his arbitrary whims. He deleted my call for international collaboration specifically pertaining to Pizzagate, despite the fact that others upvoted it.
KingKongisWrong refuses to tell people where he came from or what his (her?) history is. Maybe understandable, I suppose.
We do know this much: the censorship is extremely heavy-handed and as a result it is decreasing contributions to this investigation; a perfect way to stifle us.
KingKongisWrong, you need to understand that you cannot just delete things because you personally disagree with them. It is right to look out for obvious shilling, such as the "jewish conspiracy" material, but you cannot just delete legitimate discussions because you don't like them. That's going too far and is beyond the scope of your responsibility, particularly when those discussions are voted up by others.
I'm pointing this out for the sake of the longevity of the investigation.
I have tried to contact KingKongisWrong privately and he is unresponsive. I hate to post this publicly but he (or she) left me with no other option.
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HarveyKlinger ago
I saw that and I get it. My issue isn't against you in the slightest, it's that Pizzagate is now being overwhelmed with posts that are complaining about how the place is run and not about Pizzagate specifically.
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
Dude. How can you fucking say that with a straight face... Where are they supposed to complain about the same patterns we've seen unfold prior to other sub demises. Honest question... are we supposed to message the mods that are being accused of censorship, about our concerns of censorship. The amount of time it took this site to flip a complete fucking 180 from how they originally said this site would be run, Is fucking astounding. The answer to that by the way, Is 2 fucking days. 2 fucking days for this sub to do everything it said it wouldn't. YOU MIGHT BE THE GOOD GUY! BUT WE CAN"T FUCKING KNOW WHEN A FEW RANDOM FUCKS HAVE THE POWER TO DISCERN WHAT IS RELEVANT OR NOT. 2 days ago you refused to remove the fucking comet ping pong employee thread, even though it was a complete farce, and listed as the top search for voat pizza gate. Now there are people complaining about their shit being removed?
HarveyKlinger ago
You know I'm not a mod, right? I'm just a newb user that's tired of seeing the sub filled with posts unrelated to pizzagate. They have completely derailed this place. And in a few cases, that was their intent. There are subverses here that are dedicated for site related things as well as mod related issues. These issues need to be taken there so subs like this one don't turn into what it quickly turned into.
Again, to repeat myself, I AM NOT A MOD HERE OR ANYWHERE ON VOAT. I do not have the power to delete anything. I did not have the power to remove the Comet employee thread.
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
No. I did not know you were not a mod... Lol. My apologies. That being said, I'm suggesting we give the people the ability to determine whether or not, something is derailing the investigation. Nothing derails the investigation, more than people being concerned about Mod censorship. If there wasn't any censoring going on.... We wouldn't be having this conversation...
Do we really think those 8 mods, are the smartest people involved with this case? That we need them to be our parents, and tell us what is what? IF something is bullshit, Then the commenters will say that... None of these mods are more capable than any of the people frequenting this sub. (OK, that's obviously hyperbole) There's enough people involved, that we can quickly deduce if something is relevant or not... We don't need these 8 individuals preventing us from making that determination. We are several layers removed from reddit now...
The eyes on this sub at this point, are the committed eyes. EIther committed to proving this theory, or derailing this theory... I like to think the majority are dedicated to the former..It's not random people, stumbling across a fucking reddit thread, and posting their theory. The most of people posting shit, have dedicated a retarded amount of time investigating this shit.
NONE Of the pizza gate theories seemed credible at first, and by themselves. In fact, That is the only reason this shit is being exposed in 2016. None of this shit is new. None of these revleations are in regards to new material. It's old material that was never anyalized, because "you'd have to be retarded to think that, and investigate based on that retarded thought" NONE, of this shit is credible by itself. It took persistence and an accumulation of other circumstances that validated the random circumstances that don't make sense by themselves. There's no arguing that these 8 people should be able to determine the direction of this investigation. Personally, I've been laughed at at least 4 times, By mods from other subs. Not once, were they proven to be justified in their scuffing of my findings. In fact, All of it was eventually substantiated as being relevant. To the point I question the motives of the mods that scuffed me. The only two options are they are the opposition, Or simply not qualified to be leading an investigation of this magnitude.
There is no derailing of this investigation, as long as their is forum in which we can discuss this investigation. The only thing that kills this investigation, Is people losing faith in the forum, that is bringing lite to the forum, to the point people stop the forum. That is what we've seen unfold in every instance, and what some are worried we're seeing now, here. If people investigate shit, and it turns out to be nothing, GOOD. Then we don't have to worry about that aspect anymore, and helps substantiate the actual allegations, since not everything, is something.
HarveyKlinger ago
NP. But as an FYI, check out my posts to KingKong when all this "deleting" stuff started.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1438525/6942204
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1439834/6949780
I joined VOAT because I was under the impression that we had total freedom of speech and each and every comment was deemed worthy or not by up/down votes. I've had a few back and forths with KingKong and I don't believe he's doing anything out of malice and despite my ignorance has been pretty cool to me. He's got a difficult job to do and since I'm VERY new here, I'm just trying to figure everything out. It's not my place to dictate how things should be run. My personal feeling is each and every post should be left alone and let the VOAT'ers decide with upvotes and downvotes.
Peace.
FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago
To be honest. It's not any one or few persons places to dictate how things are run, on post by post basis. Obviously there needs to be a subset of rules, that are enforced. What we are dealing with now, are peoples opinions on whether not a few people(whom we literally have no clue their identity) should dictate what is relevant or not. At this point, I haven't seen a single mod defend their absolute power... So i have nothing against the mods. My comments are directed to the people advocating for these mods, and their ability to maintain absolute power.
I do understand he has a difficult job. I'm offering a solution that will combat most of the problems we're facing by even having this discussion, while offering a way to make his job substantially less hard. It seems silly, That if you're as vital as we are lead to believe theses mods are, to investigating this shit, that we'd want them wasting them time moderating what is posted, versus investigating themselves, and letting a much larger group of people, with a much wider degree of specialties, deem if a piece of information is relevant or not.
Any rational person, Know that they don't know everything. They are well aware of the fact, that any of the information by itself, doesn't seem relevant. They're aware that none of this shit is new information, yet they never knew about it until recently(Or at least the extent). Rational people know that every day, they'll learn something that hadn't known the day before. The information they learned today, that they didn't know yesterday, might be the factor in whether they interpret something as relevant or not.
My main point is, There is no reason to believe that the people with absolute power, know everything, that everyone else knows, or that they're able to determine information in the most practical and correct way. This whole investigation is based on a accumulation of random, facts and scenarios, that seem irrelevant by themselves. There's a much easier way to go about this, that ensures no information is being suppressed, or given more credence than other information. There's enough smart people that aren't*** moderating, that can figure that out, with out the help of mods.