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pizzaparallel ago

I think it's good to post things like this but the way the information is presented is not very effective imo.
I tried to watch it but so much time is spent (in a 34 minute video) simply scrolling through pictures and slowly reading captions, I couldn't even make it all the way through. It seems like he doesn't debunk as much as playdown the possible significance of various things.

Maybe I just don't have the attention span to sit through this ... sorry :\

In the interest of making the information more easily accessible, do you think you could summarize what points he debunks?

I understand that might be an unreasonable request given the length of the video. If that's too much, can you maybe comment on some of the points that stuck out to you as most significant?

justiceforever ago

Honestly I had a lot of it playing in the background while I did chores. My ADD wasn't gonna let me sit there watching it, so I listened.

pizzaparallel ago

I tried to post this as an edit to my original comment but couldn't. Maybe it's too long.

EDIT: I caved and went through the video myself.

[] = My comments

Goal: Present a counter investigation and fact check. Show the opposite side of the pizzagate argument.

Investigation doesn't mean finding things that match your theory but to objectively look at evidence to see if it is reasonable.

Not a full debunking of the entire theory.

Suggests stepping back and seeing full picture with logic and reason.

Pizzagate Points of Interest Discussed:

  1. Did you leave a handkerchief email: Seems suspicious at first glance. People suggest might be code.

Counter point: Other emails reference these two often talk about going out for lunch, going to one anothers houses, going out for pizza. [Other emails not cited specifically to show this. I think most people are familiar with talking about going out for lunch and visiting each other. He doesn't even address the weird phrasing that seems so creepy. How does this context make the pizza related map thing make more sense?]

  1. Handkerchief code (White with Black Handkerchief implications) Black = S&M White = (not on original wikipedia image) virginity/pedophilia

Counter point: The swatch for white has been added to the original wikipedia image. Goes through various sources of what color codes mean. Most suggest that white means safe sex or masturbation. Therefore he must only be into s&m and safe sex or masturbation. [Odd that he still makes this conclusion after telling people not to jump to conclusions... I'm not convinced that the handkerchief necessarily means anything, however, considering the laws protecting children from pedophilia, why would people openly indicate that white means virginity? Virgins can be adults of course but it seems that there is also reason to avoid suspicions.]

  1. Tamera Luzzatto email: "We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be Uber service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you'll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure."

Counter point: Luzzatto implying that her kids will be further entertainment because her kids are a handful and kids are crazy. [I considered this interpretation too, but the way she says it is still really strange. It's possible she just meant that her kids love swimming so they will "for sure" be in the pool. It's just so strange in the context she presents it while noting all the ages of the kids.]

  1. Tamera Luzzatto Blog: "Evelyn is growing up ... for a limited time only, you can spend some time with her online, raw and uncut"

Counter point: Blog is a raw and uncut look into Evie's life. Just a blog where you can see these children. No pedophilia here. Simply taken out of context.

[Maybe. Maybe not. This is another unverified conclusion. It is an interesting word choice at the very least. Raw and uncut are words used to describe pornography as well. Maybe it's an odd word choice. Maybe it's something more. This doesn't disprove anything.]

  1. Jimmy Comet Weird sculpture. Purported to be in pose of Dahmer's victim.

Counter point: Pose is not EXACTLY like Dahmer's victim. Common and note worthy art piece. "Literal and figurative suspension of a normative historical discourse of madness". Therefore nothing to do with murder or pedophilia or Dahmer. Just an edgy art piece.

[I never believed it meant anything. I just think it's a weird center piece for a person's home.]

  1. Image of John Podesta with 14 and fish on hand. Bandage and scars suggest blood rituals.

Counter point: No bandage to be found. Just patch of skin that looks discolored in photo. Common for older men to have scars on hands. Could be from anything. Says Podesta intends to have surgery on hand.

Evidence is easy to "disprove" with simple google search. 14 + Fish and the Osiris Myth can't be the case because the email talks about global initiative #14 about caring for oceans and life under water.

[I wasn't a huge believer of that theory to begin with but his google search doesn't actually disprove anything. I agree that it is more likely the email is in reference to the global goals in the email.]

  1. Cellphone Use Prohibited in La Boum Boum Room. La boum boum is slang for prostitution in Thailand.

Counter point: Brings up Washington Post article "With La Boum Boum Room D C Just Got A Lot Weirder". Insists that cell phone use is prohibited because there are shows going on. [Doesn't mention that it is called a pansexual paradise... but ok]

Late night event for adults and adult entertainment.

Why in kid-friendly restaurant? L'enfant cafe Bar is not in Comet Ping Pong.

[Fair enough. It still seems reasonable to wonder why a cafe with a name meaning "the child" in French is a pansexual paradise.]

  1. Chicken Lover instagram post with man holding young girl is suggestive and has yellow sex bracelet meaning analingus.

Counter Point: Necklace is not a sex bracelet [well yeah] Most sites suggest that yellow means hugging although one suggests analingus as alternative meaning. [This was not what I found disturbing about this post. For me it was the "chicken lover" part. He doesn't even mention this for some reason.]

  1. Picture of construction work at Comet pizza. Comet Pizza and neighbors have not filed a building permit in last three years. Creepy since it is known that there are underground tunnels in DC.

Counter point: There is a door with sunlight so it's not underground. Therefore, just renovation work. Looking at streetview it is clear that the front entrance is higher than the back entrance. So building might have underground walk-in basement Not sketchy. [Wouldn't they still need a building permit? I really have no idea but he didn't mention the building permits at all]

  1. James Alefantis is 49th most influential in DC. Is Pizza shop owner which is strange.

Counter point 1: Ex boyfriend of Brock so makes sense that he has political connections and fans. Just because they've broken up doesn't mean he lost his influence.

[Is Alefantis the only boyfriend of David Brock that is influential?]

Counter point 2: It's not so strange that he's a restaurant owner on there. There is at least one other restaurant guy. #41 is Jose Andres who is a "restaurateur". Therefore it totally makes sense. [I didn't think this was a big theory but ok]

  1. Rachel Chandler pictured with Bill Clinton at age 15. Now has pictures of random half-naked children on her tumbler and instagram.

Counter point: [Seriously, the most condescending part of the video] Most of the pictures on her tumblr and instagram now are not of half-naked children. Except maybe one.

[Was this always the case?]

  1. Comet Ping Pong Storefront - star and crescent symbols.

Counter Point: Internationally recognized symbol of Islam. Probably just a coincidence. Maybe just the style they are going with.

[I don't think the crescents and stars have much to do with anything. The way he explains it, it sounds like he thinks that Islam is the "style" they are going with. If he meant that the crescents and stars were a style they were going with then I can agree though.]

  1. Joe and Barack friendship bracelet with pizza charm.

Counter point: From a video of 5 things that are easier to do than voting. Or a video to show how easy it is to vote. Shows that kit happens to have pizza charms on box and not many to choose from. Biden is just goofy.

[I've never taken that information to mean anything so I can agree with him there.]

  1. Kim Noble's Art of sacrifice/rape

Counter point: On art page, there are some creepy ones but as a whole she also has other stuff including cubism, watercolor etc.

[He has nothing to say about the fact that other artists involved with the place also do artwork of children tied up. He doesn't even address any of the art from other artists. I think the artwork of the children tied up on the wall is much more creepy. Maybe these artists just did a few of these kinds of things ... but that doesn't make it better in my opinion.]

  1. Concerning pictures of children on instagram

Counter point: Look at pictures without assuming it implies pedophilia. Take a deep breath and remember that while it may look creepy, it's probably not.

Image of child tied up: The child is laughing/having a good time. Cute joke and must be taken out of context.

[Not convincing for me at all. The fact that the child seems to smiling does not mean that it's ok ...]

  1. Other weird sexual pictures geotagged

Counter point: Clearly a hot spot for gay men. A popular place for families to come eat. Being weird and being gay isn't a crime.

[Why is a family friendly place so overtly sexualized? I'm not saying that being gay or weird is a crime. But how do you have a place that is overtly sexual while being family and kid friendly?]

Conclusion: Do equal research. Don't find things that confirm theory. Look into contradictory theories. Do quick google searches. [Reasonable advice overall. The condescension in "do quick google searches" is annoying because he acts like all of this stuff is so blatantly obvious ... but it's not. Even with his "quick google searches" he wasn't able to disprove any points, just express skepticism in the claims.]

justiceforever ago

Wow great analysis. You da real MVP.

You should comment that on his video! Idk if it would all fit, but still!

pizzaparallel ago

Thank you, I'm glad it can be helpful.

I'm not really comfortable posting it through an account on youtube but I don't mind if someone else wants to re-post it. Additionally, if anyone wants to fix the formatting on here so it's easier to read, please feel free. (I numbered to 16 originally but now it looks like I can only count to 1)

justiceforever ago

I'm also not comfortable using my youtube account lol. CALLING SOMEONE BRAVE, PLEASE