You probably already got the messsage, but I will try in a less aggressive tone.....
The basis for voat is free expression. It may result in some wasted time now, but keeps things a lot more transparent i the long run. If we allowed censorship of things that were determined to be a waste of time, the question of who gets to make that distinction is a very precarious one. And if the practice becomes embedded, it opens the door to lots of risk of the wrong person getting the power to make those calls. It gives them the ability to shape the conversations of the entire sub. The wrong people get in there and you entire movement will have torpedoed themselves without knowing it. That took down numerous good subreddits over there.
It's better to leave that power with the community via upvoat and downvoats.
It isn't a bad idea. By banning shill tactic anti-semitism this will accomplish two things: 1) We remove shills (yay) and 2) We establish that this investigation is anti-semetic in nature, thus killing that line of narrative against us.
It seems like a strong play against the propaganda machine.
So investigating a pedo ring run by and mostly populated by jews is antsemetic? What do you want to happen? Give them a pass since you being antisemetic is worse than them being pedos? That's cancerous levels of retardation dude. Its an investigation into raped and trafficked children, and your getting upset about people calling the kettle black, sure not all jews are pedos but these ones sure are.
The shill removal will only be temporary. Shills weren't so anti-semetic on Reddit but there were certainly plenty of shills nonetheless.
Limiting free speech is dangerous in an investigation like this. There will always be distractions and we can't expect to clean them all out by censoring people.
That's a really good about limiting free speech. We should try and avoid that. A direct way to close this anti-semetic narrative line I think will still be significant. It hasn't fired up yet, but I believe it will. This infowar is starting to approach the late early stage, meaning the attacks will become increasingly more aggressive.
It will be good to have some plans in place to defend against some of these narrative attacks.
Yeah, I agree. Some users are trying to turn it into a game. It's a distraction but I think we need to ignore it.
If we start banning users it opens the door to further censorship and we know how that worked out on Reddit.
Dedicated losers will come back anyway. I suggest we just keep upvoting quality content and keep digging.
I know it does. I understand your concern but I disagree with your solution.
We can't control what other people post in a site like this. All we can do is continue digging and pursuing promising leads. Fight the antisemitism by upvoating quality content and discussions.
I think you've pitched the idea to the community in this thread and people will decide.
When Reddit started censoring people and banning users is when it started to go downhill. I don't think it's a problem with democracy but censorship.
Sometimes it sucks because you have to see things that you don't agree with or that make the community look bad. There's no perfect democracy.
You can have voat where there are trolls trying to distract and discredit. You can have reddit where there aren't any anti-semitic trolls but there are shills and the subreddit gets censored into exile anyway.
I prefer having a platform to investigate even if that means sorting through the distractions.
Teflon-jersey ago
Jews aren't a race, you stupid nigger.
Muslim is also not a race. I just felt like you're the special kinda of dipshit that doesn't know what a religion is. And had to point that out.
Ra ago
Death to the Jews.
I suggest we use Zyklon B, what do you think?
philomath ago
You probably already got the messsage, but I will try in a less aggressive tone.....
The basis for voat is free expression. It may result in some wasted time now, but keeps things a lot more transparent i the long run. If we allowed censorship of things that were determined to be a waste of time, the question of who gets to make that distinction is a very precarious one. And if the practice becomes embedded, it opens the door to lots of risk of the wrong person getting the power to make those calls. It gives them the ability to shape the conversations of the entire sub. The wrong people get in there and you entire movement will have torpedoed themselves without knowing it. That took down numerous good subreddits over there.
It's better to leave that power with the community via upvoat and downvoats.
jordankelly ago
I would also like to say fuck off
Zednix ago
Jewish people are not a race so you can't be racist towards them. Grow up you fucking wet blanket.
RumpRangerRick ago
Yeah, you need to fuck off back to Reddit, you cum-gargling faggot.
brewpot ago
Lol you're retarded. Or just not used to freedom. Either way it's SAD!
ToastyMcFly ago
Delete your account
BigFatDaddy ago
Why you hate white people?
NordicDefender ago
So than maybe we'll relocate and take our donations with us.
Teflon-jersey ago
We don't want your slimy Jew gold.
jsac ago
doors that way nigger>>>>>>>>
ConservativeDev ago
I'm donating again...just because of this comment.
CrazyInAnInsaneWorld ago
Rofl! Really?!? "I'll just take my ball and go home"?!? THAT's your fucking nuke of a demand?!? Oh gods, it hurts...my sides...
oedipusaurus_rex ago
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
1Sorry_SOB ago
JIDF is doing damage control.
NordicDefender ago
Alright, fair enough.
NordicDefender ago
I say we put the idea through the democratic process of voting and let the community decide.
MightoScrub ago
It isn't a bad idea. By banning shill tactic anti-semitism this will accomplish two things: 1) We remove shills (yay) and 2) We establish that this investigation is anti-semetic in nature, thus killing that line of narrative against us.
It seems like a strong play against the propaganda machine.
Thetiedyeguy ago
So investigating a pedo ring run by and mostly populated by jews is antsemetic? What do you want to happen? Give them a pass since you being antisemetic is worse than them being pedos? That's cancerous levels of retardation dude. Its an investigation into raped and trafficked children, and your getting upset about people calling the kettle black, sure not all jews are pedos but these ones sure are.
NordicDefender ago
I agree. Simple and effective.
pizzaparallel ago
The shill removal will only be temporary. Shills weren't so anti-semetic on Reddit but there were certainly plenty of shills nonetheless. Limiting free speech is dangerous in an investigation like this. There will always be distractions and we can't expect to clean them all out by censoring people.
MightoScrub ago
That's a really good about limiting free speech. We should try and avoid that. A direct way to close this anti-semetic narrative line I think will still be significant. It hasn't fired up yet, but I believe it will. This infowar is starting to approach the late early stage, meaning the attacks will become increasingly more aggressive. It will be good to have some plans in place to defend against some of these narrative attacks.
demurrage ago
gtfo shill
NordicDefender ago
Bro, the people wildly blaming Jews are the shills trying to delegitmize us.
Crensch ago
Get genocided, fucking kike.
Create a Voat holohoax with 6 gorillion kikes virtually gassed.
I_like_paint ago
You are the one jewing it up here, not us.
pizzaparallel ago
Yeah, I agree. Some users are trying to turn it into a game. It's a distraction but I think we need to ignore it. If we start banning users it opens the door to further censorship and we know how that worked out on Reddit. Dedicated losers will come back anyway. I suggest we just keep upvoting quality content and keep digging.
NordicDefender ago
We need to fight antisemitism as much as we can though because it makes us look bad.
pizzaparallel ago
I know it does. I understand your concern but I disagree with your solution.
We can't control what other people post in a site like this. All we can do is continue digging and pursuing promising leads. Fight the antisemitism by upvoating quality content and discussions.
NordicDefender ago
I say we pitch the idea to the community and let them decode. What's wrong with democracy?
tagarouco ago
Such a vote would not go as you expect here on Voat (just look at the downvoats you are getting).
And even if the majority here were in favour of censoring, that would not be democracy, but mob rule. You seem to be confusing the two.
PM_ME_UR_NOODZ ago
You are, someone who believes that tyranny of the majority is a democratic principle
goatsandbros ago
We're a republic of free speech, not a mob of mincing faggots.
pizzaparallel ago
I think you've pitched the idea to the community in this thread and people will decide. When Reddit started censoring people and banning users is when it started to go downhill. I don't think it's a problem with democracy but censorship. Sometimes it sucks because you have to see things that you don't agree with or that make the community look bad. There's no perfect democracy. You can have voat where there are trolls trying to distract and discredit. You can have reddit where there aren't any anti-semitic trolls but there are shills and the subreddit gets censored into exile anyway.
I prefer having a platform to investigate even if that means sorting through the distractions.