Hi,
My name is Joe and I run Don Giovanni Records. Sex Stains label. I can't claim to understand anything about what you are all trying to investigate as far as the bigger picture and political connections or Comet Ping Pong or anything involved in your broader investigation. I also believe that this kind of stuff is really important and worth investigating, I just haven't had any time to read up on anything related to the broader scandal.
With that said, it seems like my label and one of our bands, Sex Stains is now somehow part of your investigation. Instead of being investigated though, we are just being harassed.
I've had people email me and ask me questions which I've answered but I guess those answers aren't getting back to this community so I made an account to come answer whatever you want to know about us and Sex Stains with the goal of you realizing we really have nothing to do with this whatsoever and that hopefully it will lead to us not being harassed. As a label, and as artists we are all very outspoken with our music and writing about sexual assault and exploitations in all its forms. We work to police and investigate matters our own punk/diy community. I know what its like for victims not to be believed.
When someone told me that there was symbol for pedophelia in one of our videos I was horrified. Even if it was unintentional since i don't think most non-pedophiles are aware of those symbols (I certainly wasn't till someone linked me to the FBI document because of its supposed connection with the video), I wouldn't want it showing up in the video. But when I looked at the symbol in the document and the one in the video they really didn't seem all that similar. In an email I wrote someone else it would be like the difference between an "M" and an "N" or something. There are similarities, but they have different amounts of lines in different directions and thus have different symbolic meaning. This site I am on right now (Voat) seems to have a blue triangle for a logo, for example. I doubt it is part of this whole (though if people feel its worth investigating, then maybe it is).
I guess the point of this all is that I really have no issues with the investigation of pedophelia or any kind of abuse whatsoever, in fact, I agree it should be investigate if there is reason to. Like many of you, I also believe that there are large scandals especially in the mainstream that are covered up by the MSM and the government.
I don't know how the rest of your investigation is being conducted, but I can tell you that what is happening with Sex Stains and our record label isn't investigation. For every email or tweet I have received asking em questions about it, I have received a dozen of harassing comments. Please investigate. Ask me any questions you have about Sex Stains and my label and I will answer them as fast as I can (I am home with my family on thanksgiving. I was hoping to deal with this on Monday but the harassing comments are too numerous and piling up too fast).
I am, and always have been very accessible. My email is public, my label has no walls to hide behind and is fully owned and operated by me. I will now answer all your questions here too (or if you tell me a better place I will do it there too).
Joe
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party1981 ago
Joe:
I'm really sorry that you were harassed. If you have good intentions, you can help us - there is a chance that this is the biggest scandal since the Holocaust, slowly unraveling over the Internet.
I strongly recommend that you educate yourself about Pizzagate. It just overtook Wikileaks on Google Trends. I would start with short videos like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvQdZXMGLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkAVgsOgaw0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lusSfBW44YU
You can then read the summary of all evidence here (although it is not current - more evidence of pedo symbols have been found in 8+ adoption agencies and some big businesses, like an ice cream business):
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1434956
Then, if you're still following and think this is enough evidence to justify further investigation, I would ask yourself these questions:
dongiovannirecords ago
Hi,
It might take me some time to get up to your speed on this whole this. Most of this came to my attention just before thanksgiving and I am still spending it with my family. As I type this my mother and sister are in the other room and my child is sleeping. I basically did enough reading before coming here only to figure out why people were harassing me over one of our youtube videos. And honestly, after seeing the similarities, I do understand why people wanted to know more. I am just also hoping that knowing more they were realize this isn't really part of the thing and can move on and we can go back to our lives.
1) I know a lot about Sex Stains and feel comfortable answering almost any questions you would have about them. I know very little about Comet Ping Pong in general. But I know a fair amount about the bands that play there. It is one of many rooms of that size booked in DC by music promoters. So sometimes bands I know or on the label play there, sometimes they play other rooms, and then most of the time they have bands there I've never even heard of. But as someone who works in music, I understand how this kind of stuff works. Sometimes our bands play coffee shops or burrito places even for example, and the coffee shop/Mexican restaurant has almost nothing to do with it. this just how being in a small band works. The owner doesn't even always take a cut and usually just lets someone use the room because they know people will come to the concert and hopefully order food or drinks. The shows at these place are small. They may bring in just hundreds of dollars a night to share with 3-4 bands + the promoter which is why sometimes the places don't even take a cut. That said, I don't know anything about the agreement or how it works with Comet Ping Pong specifically or if they take a cut or not, just that the room is booked by a promoter, not the owner.
2) Sex Stains got involved through a promoter booking them there, which now that this is all being investigated seems like awful luck since if they had been booked into a room like the black cat downstairs that night of the same size no one would be harassing them. I said this somewhere else, but bands don't get to ask what room they play in on tour and rarely even have opinions, promoters deal with that and it has to do with what rooms are available that night.
As for the art/imagery involved in the punk bands that play there, I wrote this earlier: "I'll just add to that too, because truly the only thing I can help shed any light on related to this whole thing just has to do with music and bands work, not pizza, sex trafficking or politics work, is that I really wouldn't read too much into bands names or imagery in the punk community. While I personally do not agree with this mentality, there is a general mentality in many parts of punk to try to be as offensive and vulgar as possible as a way to essentially celebrate freedom of speech and push its boundaries. While I am a huge free speech proponent, I personally tend find this stuff immature and somewhat offensive (though I believe they have the right to say it). So its true, that I would probably be very offended by a band with a name that alluded to child sex trafficking, it would be because i was offended that they were making light of a serious issue, not because i believed they were involved in it."
3) No, but this may also be something I can help clear up in general. It's not like a chuck e cheese where people sit around eating pizza and watching bands play. There is a full dining area, and then in the back there is ping pong tables. Late at night after children would be in bed they move the ping pong tables and bands play in that area. People probably wouldn't be allowed to enter the show part till closer to 9pm and then Sex Stains wouldn't go on until around midnight, so I would be a much worse parent for letting my kid stay up that late and exposing them to the loud noise than I would be because the band had a provocative name. There are many venues small bands play like this across the country, one that used to be by me was called Maxwells in Hoboken, NJ where there was a really good restaurant in the front and then there would be concerts in the back. People would come to the restaurant just to eat not knowing there was a concert and people would come to the concerts not realizing they could eat there (unless it wasn't their first time). So if people are getting images if like a 3 year old having a birthday party and then provocative punk bands playing profane music, I wouldn't really be supportive of that kind of thing either (though I also wouldn't assume it meant the bands were out to hurt kids).
Joe
party1981 ago
Joe, thank you for your reply. I just want to add a couple things that you might not know:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53ab17b8e4b0f756e4a585aa/t/57bdb9fa59cc68eaf79d3e2a/1472051719447/?format=500w
There are also videos showing kids playing ping pong at night there.
James A., owner of CPP, was cited/sued over allowing kids to drink alcohol at CPP. He also lobbied to get the drinking hours extended at CPP.
What do you think of the band Heavy Breathing? Do you want Sex Stains to be associated with Heavy Breathing? There are videos of Heavy Breathing (and its leader) at birthday parties at CPP. They are extremely offensive and talk about euthanasia and pedophilia. We want to dismiss this as punk rock being offensive (but most punk is offensive in terms of saying fuck the police, not yeah for child trafficking!). But we have to evaluate it in the context of everything else, including CPP's Instagram (wish you should review), which contains many references to children, pedophilia, and child trafficking. Just look through the pictures yourself:
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM
As you dig deeper and deeper into this, it will disturb you more and more. When that happens, if you want to be on the right side of history, help us investigate and research to bring justice for the victims.
dongiovannirecords ago
Hi,
1.) "All ages" is an important concept in underground punk promotion especially in DC. In the 1980s you weren't allowed to go to concerts unless you were older than 21 which excluded people. DC was one of the first cities to really right this and also started the straight edge movement which had to do with refusing to drink and use drugs. All Ages was something people used to fight for to make shows open to younger kids (not toddlers, like high school and college kids). There are books about it (All-Ages-Reflections-Straight-Edge/dp/1889703001/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1480109854&sr=8-2&keywords=all+ages+punk+book), Songs (http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/kiddynamite/cheapshotyouthanthem.html, http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/album-groupe-Kid_Dynamite-nom_album-All_Ages-l-en.html)) If you google the term "all ages punk" or "all ages show" or something you will find a lot about it. It isn't meant to imply underage.
If there are videos of ping pong at night, which I certainly believe its probably because there aren't shows there every night. But when there are shows, its in the same room as the ping pong.
1.) I don't know anything about James at all and didn't even know the name of the owner till reading these threads. I can't really speak to his character at all and doubt sex stains even met him either when they played there.
2) I've never heard of heavy breathing. Personally I believe free speech is extremely important. Though I also believe the right to protest that speech is as important.
At this point it seems you have switched from asking me to defend Sex Stains and my label to helping investigate CPP and the bands that play there. I am hoping that means I have answered enough of your questions about sex stains and my label that you will stop harassing us even if you want to keep watching us and investigating us or whatever you think is important to do. I just told this story to someone who emailed me in questions so will tell it to you too:
When I was around 19 a friend and I were walking home and three police cars pulled up and told us that two people described just like us had robbed a gas station, that we had in fact walked by. It was crazy and they searched us and our backpacks and questioned us for almost 45 minutes. It was scary because they were being hostile, but I also wanted the criminals caught and once they realized it wasn't us they were very friendly. That is how I see this.
party1981 ago
Thanks. To be clear, I did not harass you and I don't think anyone should harass you. It sounds to me like Sex Stains got accidentally mixed up with a venue (CPP) that is turning out to be part of something criminal and sinister. That's not your fault.
You do seem apathetic to the pizzagate scandal. I can understand why your #1 priority is to defend your band and label. Over time, though, I think you will find the scandal to be worth your attention. Maybe just when Hillary Clinton is in handcuffs. As someone with a connection to Sex Stains and (indirectly) CPP, you can help do research by asking questions (ask Sex Stains what they thought about CPP, Heavy Breathing, James A., etc.). Ask around the music scene. You can do good work.
dongiovannirecords ago
I don't want you to think I'm apathetic just because I am not part of the investigation. There are many many companies and people I do not support based on other people's investigative work. I'm not a journalist or a detective, but I do have a strong moral compass and am very selective about what people and corporations I support (very few if any large multi-national corporations for example). I have been involved in investigations within my own smaller music community, as has the singer of Sex Stains. So we get it. At the same time, especially because I feel like people have been targeting me and sex stains before any kind of investigation has been finished, I am waiting till things are done and the evidence is all there. Once the evidence is there though I will be on the right side of it. I have a very open mind to conspiracy, especially involving elites. But the evidence needs to be there and the investigation needs to be finished, in the meantime I am still waiting on the sidelines and don't feel its appropriate to have an opinion when I don't know the facts. My only opinions are that human trafficking and especially child trafficking is reprehensible and anyone engaging in it should be punished no matter how wealthy or connect they are.
party1981 ago
That makes sense. I hope you check in after inauguration, after GA Sessions makes his announcements. I think the odds of the CF investigation going away without arrests are about 10%.