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comeonpeople ago

A. Laura Silsby Since being arrested in Haiti for trying to steal 33 children and getting let off the hook with the help of the Clinton’s,

You say Clintons, what did Hillary do for Silsby to "get her off the hook"? For that matter what exactly did Bill do?

Why would they let a woman convicted of trafficking children anywhere near systems that dealt with Amber Alerts?

She wasn't convicted of trafficking children.

But none of these circumstantial bits of evidence are as important as the discovery that Correct the Record paid Jeff Koons $50,000 according to their SEC filing, seen here on page 9:

This is a receipt FROM Koons, i.e. a contribution from Koons to CTR, not a payment TO Koons.

Correct the Record is run by David Brock, who is in a relationship with James Alefantis.

WAS in a relationship with Alefantis.

It turns out that Jeff Koons is more to Alefantis than an artist he admires.

You haven't really established this. Koons donated $50k to Correct the Record in 2016, Alefantis used to go out with Brock who runs CTR.

And just for the record, Koons isn't just some guy in the East Coast art scene. His pieces sell for tens of millions of dollars, in fact he has the all-time record for highest sale price of a work by a living artist ($58 million).

People might want to tighten up their statements and try to remove bias if you want to be taken seriously.

Didot ago

You say Clintons, what did Hillary do for Silsby to "get her off the hook"? For that matter what exactly did Bill do?

There's an email history on WikiLeaks of Silsby's organization contacting Clinton's team, her staff then discussing how the media is reporting the news, and Aberdin forwarding details to Hillary.

The Americans were attempting to smuggle a planned 100 children to a hotel in the Dominican Republic until an orphanage was constructed nearby. Authorities found no paperwork for the orphanage or of their organization.

Shortly after almost the entire group were released, despite the Haitian court finding evidence of association with traffickers, the fact that none of the children were orphans, and without resolving the true intentions and destinations of the children, all without consequence due to the intervention of Bill Clinton.

The only member charged was Laura Silsby whose sentence was reduced to 3 months for 'organizing illegal travel'. She had previously attempted to smuggle a different group of children and her initial legal adviser in Haiti was himself arrested on child kidnapping charges.

comeonpeople ago

There's an email history on WikiLeaks of Silsby's organization contacting Clinton's team

This is a generic press release that was probably sent to everyone in DC, everyone with money, everyone working with kids, you name it.

her staff then discussing how the media is reporting the news

In what universe would the State Department not be kept informed of a situation where American citizens are being held in a foreign country?

and Aberdin forwarding details to Hillary.

Same as above.

all without consequence due to the intervention of Bill Clinton.

Surely if you are going to say Bill's intervention was the cause of those people being released, you should be able to tell me what exactly Bill did and how you know it was the critical factor.

Didot ago

Not sure why you're replying twice, considering I'd already responded to which you'd left a subsequent reply. Voat doesn't display child comments deeper than two levels unless you click the expand link. Vote for the feature if you feel strongly about it.

Prior to their involvement the Haitian court was treating the charges against the Americans more seriously as per the numerous articles on the case. Clinton, Secretary at the time, had just months prior created one of the main Haiti relief funds along with Bush. To the Haitians at that point it would have been seen as crucial for their country's support. The Clintons then, having been following the events decided to step in diplomatically with regard to the Silsby case, as has been reported, and all but one of the Americans were released bar Silsby whose charges were dramatically and questionably reduced. As I've more thoroughly laid out in the previous reply the trafficking aspect and ultimate intent wasn't resolved yet following Clinton's involvement it was all but hand-waved away.

Either you can continue to believe that Clinton, despite reports, didn't in fact make any difference to the case, or you can look at what occurred and see that clearly there was a change that affected the charges brought against and final consequences of the group. I'm also not going to continue replying to things I've already outlined in previous replies.

comeonpeople ago

Many cases if not the majority (at least involving white people, especially well-off white people) have charges reduced between the initial arrest and final sentencing.

Bill was asked by the UN to be a special envoy to Haiti during the crisis, he didn't get sent over by Hillary to rescue her pedo trafficking buddy. He supposedly was somehow involved in getting the others involved released, although I can find little or no actual evidence for this (there seems to be exactly one article about this and its text does not support its headline), and in any case everyone seems to agree that those others did not know what was going on.

Silsby got a light sentence because the parents said they had given their children over voluntarily, not because of anything Bill did. I have seen no suggestion anywhere that Bill's involvement had anything to do with Silsby's sentencing.

" Judge Bernard Saint-Vil explained that his decision was based on the Haitian parents’ testimony that they had “[given] their kids away voluntarily.”75 Similarly, defense lawyer Jorge Puello stated that the missionaries “willingly accepted kids they knew were not orphans because the parents said they would starve otherwise.”76 Another trial attorney for the missionaries, Aviol Fleurant, argued that “[t]he parents’ testimony means no law was broken and ‘we can’t talk any more about trafficking of human beings.’”"