I am honestly wondering if the feds are trying to keep us quiet because we are getting in the way of the investigation. That is, if one exists. I can only hope these fuckers pay for what they have done. I really don't know what will happen if this gets suppressed and then nothing happens. I don't even want to think of that.
That's my opinion as well. I'm new to all of this, I heard of it but until a day and a half ago I didn't know what it was.
What struck me immediately was how completely loony some people in r/pizzagate were, the "evidence" that they raise is sometimes completely absurd. Satanic symbols? Anything related to eyes and pyramids feels like the guy on the other side of the screen stopped everything and sat there in awe before whispering, "the Illuminati." I'm sorry, that's a bit much for me. I want, need, hard connections between things or a pattern of very interesting coincidences that piques my curiosity. Too many people involved in this are the kind of person prone to whimsical fantasy; you know, the kind of person nobody sane takes seriously.
I've sat back and taken a had look at what's been presented and there's something that I think isn't being considered: we may be looking at edgy millennials who own a pizza establishment and a series of dumb in-jokes and pictures of children look far more sinister than they actually are. Keep in mind my perspective on this is very fresh, I'm not prone to confirmation bias and I have no emotional attachment to this beyond the obvious distaste for child abuse. If this alternative to the theory is correct then the outrage does nothing but discredit independent citizen journalism and potentially destroy the lives of innocent people.
So, what to do? I think going with your suggestion of remaining underground for the time being is probably best. Breaking up the investigation on our side into independent cells, "insurgent investigators," that operate in the dark and confer with the other cells as necessary would be good plan of action. Keeping the discussion here on track and sticking to the facts is paramount either way, the more we let things spiral out of control the less credible this looks and the more ammunition people like Hillary and her goons have. Oh, and if any of this is true? Well, if your quarry knows you're coming they'll go to ground; if there was easy evidence to be had it's likely destroyed or locked up tight by now. I wish I had been involved in this sooner, because somebody should have raised this concern a long time ago.
Of course, I didn't mean to imply I'd be the one voice of reason in all of this. I did word it that way, I apologize for that. What I meant though was browsing the subreddit (when I could) I wished I saw it more often, and outside of reddit it got rather heated when somebody was the voice of reason or played devil's advocate. Normally I'd appreciate the irony of somebody trying to offer some sense and being shouted at for being a "normie cuck" but I think the seriousness of it kind of sapped away the humor.
I wonder if the phrase about children in the pool for your entertainment might pique your interest? Seriously, do you think they're talking about synchronized swimming? Fuck. Go to wikileaks and check it out yourself.
Or maybe they're talking about holding hands and taking a long, satisfying shit together! Perhaps it's performance art, they'll surely be all the rage in a few years.
I have "checked it out" and what I see here is frantic searching for evidence toward an already established conclusion.
The only missing piece IMHO is proof that Podesta left the country...and the Feds have that...they have record of everyone who travels..once that is had tracking his plane is easy matter. The Feds have to know he left the country. Unless someone leaks it but even then...we won't believe them will we? Has to come from the Feds.
OH yes, both countries would have entry and exit data. My guess is Portugal, which has a very bad problem with pedo stuff, probably didn't even look or push the issue due to "international incident" as that one article said the cops knew who did it but they couldn't arrest them.
Right this moment they know if JP was in Portugal or not. There's too many people with access to that information to shut it completely down. For instance, ATCs could tell if the plane left, manifests would have to show who was on it, flight plans would show where it flew.
Also Portugal is in the EU which means all Podesta would have to do is enter the EU anywhere EXCEPT the UK and he could ride the train everywhere without anyone knowing a thing. Leaving UK on chunnel you have to show papers* Rumor has it he visited Sir Clem in London before going to Portugal.. and if he flew the private craft rules are http://www.aopa.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=154&Itemid=813 so both private and public flying means dox. If he used any electronics from home...any credit cards...he is 100% traceable from many different angles.
you're right on - the info/data is out there, but buried both in the US and Portugal, at least at the institutional agency level (DHS and whatever passes for immigration in portugal).
whatever's in those missing emails from the time period surrounding mccann's disappearance must be plenty juicy - wikileaks never had those at all then?
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We_The_People ago
I am honestly wondering if the feds are trying to keep us quiet because we are getting in the way of the investigation. That is, if one exists. I can only hope these fuckers pay for what they have done. I really don't know what will happen if this gets suppressed and then nothing happens. I don't even want to think of that.
BallsDeepInReality ago
That's the thing, if they were really under investigation, their lawyers would gag them.
NYT would not have had a piece.
This is not even being investigated. So sickening.
Tzitzimitl ago
its probably for the best to remain underground until the op bears fruit, less interference that way(for both us and a theoretical investigation)
its not like normies tardflailing about going "SURBODY THINK OF THE CHILLENS" and "DURR CONSPIRACY THEORY" are benefitting us
Jixijenga ago
That's my opinion as well. I'm new to all of this, I heard of it but until a day and a half ago I didn't know what it was.
What struck me immediately was how completely loony some people in r/pizzagate were, the "evidence" that they raise is sometimes completely absurd. Satanic symbols? Anything related to eyes and pyramids feels like the guy on the other side of the screen stopped everything and sat there in awe before whispering, "the Illuminati." I'm sorry, that's a bit much for me. I want, need, hard connections between things or a pattern of very interesting coincidences that piques my curiosity. Too many people involved in this are the kind of person prone to whimsical fantasy; you know, the kind of person nobody sane takes seriously.
I've sat back and taken a had look at what's been presented and there's something that I think isn't being considered: we may be looking at edgy millennials who own a pizza establishment and a series of dumb in-jokes and pictures of children look far more sinister than they actually are. Keep in mind my perspective on this is very fresh, I'm not prone to confirmation bias and I have no emotional attachment to this beyond the obvious distaste for child abuse. If this alternative to the theory is correct then the outrage does nothing but discredit independent citizen journalism and potentially destroy the lives of innocent people.
So, what to do? I think going with your suggestion of remaining underground for the time being is probably best. Breaking up the investigation on our side into independent cells, "insurgent investigators," that operate in the dark and confer with the other cells as necessary would be good plan of action. Keeping the discussion here on track and sticking to the facts is paramount either way, the more we let things spiral out of control the less credible this looks and the more ammunition people like Hillary and her goons have. Oh, and if any of this is true? Well, if your quarry knows you're coming they'll go to ground; if there was easy evidence to be had it's likely destroyed or locked up tight by now. I wish I had been involved in this sooner, because somebody should have raised this concern a long time ago.
PolybiusPizza ago
Plenty of people raised this concern... But this is the internet and people will do crazy shit when they think they are anonymous.
Jixijenga ago
Of course, I didn't mean to imply I'd be the one voice of reason in all of this. I did word it that way, I apologize for that. What I meant though was browsing the subreddit (when I could) I wished I saw it more often, and outside of reddit it got rather heated when somebody was the voice of reason or played devil's advocate. Normally I'd appreciate the irony of somebody trying to offer some sense and being shouted at for being a "normie cuck" but I think the seriousness of it kind of sapped away the humor.
fuckmyreddit ago
I wonder if the phrase about children in the pool for your entertainment might pique your interest? Seriously, do you think they're talking about synchronized swimming? Fuck. Go to wikileaks and check it out yourself.
Jixijenga ago
Or maybe they're talking about holding hands and taking a long, satisfying shit together! Perhaps it's performance art, they'll surely be all the rage in a few years.
I have "checked it out" and what I see here is frantic searching for evidence toward an already established conclusion.
MAGABoomer ago
The only missing piece IMHO is proof that Podesta left the country...and the Feds have that...they have record of everyone who travels..once that is had tracking his plane is easy matter. The Feds have to know he left the country. Unless someone leaks it but even then...we won't believe them will we? Has to come from the Feds.
sundalanded ago
so does anyone have capability and/or access to passport info? either in the US or in Portugal?
MAGABoomer ago
OH yes, both countries would have entry and exit data. My guess is Portugal, which has a very bad problem with pedo stuff, probably didn't even look or push the issue due to "international incident" as that one article said the cops knew who did it but they couldn't arrest them.
Right this moment they know if JP was in Portugal or not. There's too many people with access to that information to shut it completely down. For instance, ATCs could tell if the plane left, manifests would have to show who was on it, flight plans would show where it flew.
Also Portugal is in the EU which means all Podesta would have to do is enter the EU anywhere EXCEPT the UK and he could ride the train everywhere without anyone knowing a thing. Leaving UK on chunnel you have to show papers* Rumor has it he visited Sir Clem in London before going to Portugal.. and if he flew the private craft rules are http://www.aopa.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=154&Itemid=813 so both private and public flying means dox. If he used any electronics from home...any credit cards...he is 100% traceable from many different angles.
sundalanded ago
you're right on - the info/data is out there, but buried both in the US and Portugal, at least at the institutional agency level (DHS and whatever passes for immigration in portugal).
whatever's in those missing emails from the time period surrounding mccann's disappearance must be plenty juicy - wikileaks never had those at all then?
MAGABoomer ago
Yes...the scrubbed emails would be interesting...but NSA would have those...as well as Obama's missing 500 secret emails!