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That has nothing to do with the yellow vests, it was the labor unions who were able to force this breakthrough. Yellow vests are stll ignored by macron and his globalists.
In a way I'm surprised the far-left, as mentioned in that article, are in support of fighting this as the future for them and their best hopes at winning elections, is by hijacking the minds of the young, which seems to be the pattern across most countries at the moment. The elderly, I imagine - though I'm not French so couldn't say for sure - would surely be less likely to vote for far-left policies and politicians. Any Frenchies have any input on that?
While I enjoy seeing European technocrats have their asses handed to them by their lowly subjects, let's admit the Frogs who are marching around in the yellow vests are nothing but sponges seeking more government benefits. The entire continental social system is broken and the governmental systems designed to prop it up have the effect of simply renewing the feudal systems which have predominated for centuries. Only the names have changed.
They are overran by shit skins burning their churches, raping their women, murdering people. There's no win until they drive the invaders out and lynch the traitors.
We don't know when the 52 year old bus driver started his job. How much was he paid during his career? If it was not enough to save anything beyond what he brought in, his pension actually sucks. 3700 Euro a month (even assuming a COLA) kinda sucks. What is the median income and supply and demand for drivers? If you paid these people garbage wages (likely), the only way anyone would stay in the job would be for the retirement benefits. Assuming he spent the last 30 years transporting african migrants all around french cities he is both lucky to be alive and deserving of some type of compensation. No one would stay for long if they didn't have a carrot at the end of the stick. You would have massive turnover and higher training costs. It is essentially slave labor.
There is always more to look at and I think it goes beyond the few numbers we are usually given.
I still think its too high and too young, but I would never want to be a bus driver.
I would not have simplified it as that if there was any difference.
They both have pension contributions, the dutch amsterdammer contributes more every month then the French.
The French has 34 years of employment and lower pension contributions overall.
While the Dutch Amsterdam bus drivers works 49 years and has higher pension contributions throughout their life.
Even if you make the years the same by cutting 15 years from the Amsterdammer, the Amsterdammer would have still paid more. in the 34 years of employment.
Thus, the dutch bus drivers pays a heck of allot more contributions and gets far less for it in return.
Public transport pensions in France basically get their pensions paid by everyone else. This is not how solidarity is suppose to work where some get preferential treatment over others.
Funny how the EU claims to be for a common united single market but the massive discrepancies between wages and pensions in Europe can not be reconciled.
And so the EU set out to make their own pension product:
Pan-European Personal Pension Product
PEPP will be a safe, transparent and cost-effective long-term retirement savings product that will offer pensions savers new savings opportunities for future retirement income within a European personal pension framework. It is a powerful tool to encourage personal pension savings for individuals and to enable important long-term investments. The design of this personal pension product framework, in particular through its standardised elements, can reap economies of scale and help to increase transparency and consumers' understanding. In addition, it will provide a level playing field for providers, encourage competition, increase trust among consumers and cater for the European labour market. The PEPP will not replace existing national personal schemes, but will be a complimentary regime alongside national regimes.
Nope. The EU is there to destroy the Union of Europe, by destroying the cultures, the nationality, the races, and the bloodlines. Why? Because it is an arm of the UN, which intents (it already has) to unify all nations under their own control; into a one world government of organized crime. What you're witnessing in the EU and the rest of the west is them systematically breaking away the old, for the control system that they build underneath to emerge (from the ashes like a phoenix). It's the enactment; the play called "order out of chaos" disguised under economic catastrophes, migration (invasion), racial tension, religious warfare, loss of freedoms, and the usual 24/7 fearmongering. And the reason why we are semi-allowed to know about all these things; is called the act of "enlightenment".
These criminals are staging history using the same playbooks they used for millennia.
I meant the unification of Europeans by culture, nationality, race, family units and bloodlines. That's what the EU wants to destroy; that is its sole purpose.
Is there an EU and a UoE?
Well, there is the EU, a private corporation trying to consolidate all power of the individual members states into their corporate control, while utilizing this criminal infrastructure to steal away the freedom of all the Europeans living under their tyranny, and on the other side are the Europeans who are under attack by the jewish mafia from every direction. And those people were robbed out of any representation on legal or moral terms. They are slaves in the way of a mafia, trying to survive on land robbed from them.
The problem is much much deeper than the amount of any french pension. When people ignore an invasion of their country and squabble for more money for their little corner then their country is doomed.
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FoundingUncle ago
It was never over the retirement age. It is over the replacement of French people with Muhammedan swine.
noob_tube ago
The yellow vests got what they wanted. They didn't "Win" until genocide is off the table.
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JonReeeeed ago
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ch3f4554551n ago
Lazy eurotrash.
Smokybubbles ago
Socialists vs globalists is a lose / lose. Good luck with your wine and cheese, Pierre.
mleczko ago
Country nearly turned into Africa 2, but they won. Top kek OP.
newoldwave ago
The Frenchies are such pansies. Full retirement in the US is 65.
Deceneu ago
67 in France. This was minimal retirement age.
Plant_Boy ago
Yellow vests were protesting fuel taxes originally, weren't they?
boekanier ago
That has nothing to do with the yellow vests, it was the labor unions who were able to force this breakthrough. Yellow vests are stll ignored by macron and his globalists.
XSS1337 ago
It’s not won until the white people kill the politicians , the ones that bought them and finally the mudslide invaders occupying their land.
Memediana_Jones ago
For now*
stonewallphysics ago
Macron and Co will have to steal more from else where.
Charilko ago
If the French want to keep their gravy train rolling, they need to start having babies again.
Selfish fucks
Broc_Lia ago
Good for them, they've won a few more "benefits" from an already creaking public system.
But let's not confuse that with winning. They're not even fighting the right war.
JohnGaltApproves ago
I didn’t know it required government permission or sanction to retire. So, this was all about gibs?
Deceneu ago
Everything is state sanctioned:
What type of retirement plan:
a mandatory 'par répartition' part for everyone (all current employees' taxes are collected and pay for all current retirees' pensions)
in addition a 'par capitalisation' part for some (similar to the U.S. but much more restricted; mostly white collar jobs)
some other types.
the age one is allowed to retire with full benefits (67yrs in this case)
the minimal age one is allowed to retire at all (generally 62yrs; exceptions for sports, military and such profession)
the minimum time one needs to slave away before retiring (41yrs today; 43yrs in 2025)
In this particular case (not the initial tax relief revendication) is about not allowing the government to squeze the middle class further.
When the government spends 57% of GDP, every 'gibs' becomes a tax relief for those contributing. For those that don't it's just more gibs.
JohnGaltApproves ago
Then they get what they deserve for electing the government that promised them gibs and fucked them over with taxes and holding back the gibs.
Deceneu ago
If only they would learn their lesson. This state of affairs exist since at least the 70s.
Eualos ago
They didn't win if they didn't get the invaders out of France
RageAgainstTheAmish ago
Did they hang macron in the streets and kill off all the niggers and muslims?
No?
The battle has not been won.
Yuke ago
In a way I'm surprised the far-left, as mentioned in that article, are in support of fighting this as the future for them and their best hopes at winning elections, is by hijacking the minds of the young, which seems to be the pattern across most countries at the moment. The elderly, I imagine - though I'm not French so couldn't say for sure - would surely be less likely to vote for far-left policies and politicians. Any Frenchies have any input on that?
Deceneu ago
They alredy got the boomer young and now more and more the cultural enrichment™ classes. Just like the left.
fuckyourownface ago
After how fucking long
Deceneu ago
57 weeks:
11 dead
4 439 wounded (at 2019-10-04),
12 107 arrests
10 718 police custodies
2 000 sentences
Thisismyvoatusername ago
While I enjoy seeing European technocrats have their asses handed to them by their lowly subjects, let's admit the Frogs who are marching around in the yellow vests are nothing but sponges seeking more government benefits. The entire continental social system is broken and the governmental systems designed to prop it up have the effect of simply renewing the feudal systems which have predominated for centuries. Only the names have changed.
DeseretIndustries ago
It’s more that they’re taxed so much already, they want to at least get some value for what they pay instead of it all going to niggers.
bruddah ago
"won"
Theyeatingtheirshit ago
I was going to say....
Who believes the 'media' that this is what they were really fighting about in the first place?
NoTrueScotsman ago
Indeed. This is the first time I've heard this claimed to be the reason. Last time, they said it was gas taxes, I think.
HiJoker ago
They are overran by shit skins burning their churches, raping their women, murdering people. There's no win until they drive the invaders out and lynch the traitors.
downvoatmachine ago
I thought they won when he gave in and nixed to fuel tax.... look over here!!!
Octoclops ago
I hope they are smart enough to keep pushing for more. He gave an inch, now take a mile.
Justice_Will_Prevail ago
Good news in spite of the media suppression of their cause. Macron looks like an idiot now and I hope the French get rid of his ass.
NACHTJAGD ago
a 52 year old bus driver in France retires with 3700 Euro's net a month.
a 67 year old bus driver in Netherlands retires with 2600 Euro's net a month.
The EU is a failed and failing system.
UberMenschen ago
Let me play devil's advocate for just a moment.
We don't know when the 52 year old bus driver started his job. How much was he paid during his career? If it was not enough to save anything beyond what he brought in, his pension actually sucks. 3700 Euro a month (even assuming a COLA) kinda sucks. What is the median income and supply and demand for drivers? If you paid these people garbage wages (likely), the only way anyone would stay in the job would be for the retirement benefits. Assuming he spent the last 30 years transporting african migrants all around french cities he is both lucky to be alive and deserving of some type of compensation. No one would stay for long if they didn't have a carrot at the end of the stick. You would have massive turnover and higher training costs. It is essentially slave labor.
There is always more to look at and I think it goes beyond the few numbers we are usually given.
I still think its too high and too young, but I would never want to be a bus driver.
NACHTJAGD ago
I would not have simplified it as that if there was any difference.
They both have pension contributions, the dutch amsterdammer contributes more every month then the French.
The French has 34 years of employment and lower pension contributions overall.
While the Dutch Amsterdam bus drivers works 49 years and has higher pension contributions throughout their life.
Even if you make the years the same by cutting 15 years from the Amsterdammer, the Amsterdammer would have still paid more. in the 34 years of employment.
Thus, the dutch bus drivers pays a heck of allot more contributions and gets far less for it in return.
Public transport pensions in France basically get their pensions paid by everyone else. This is not how solidarity is suppose to work where some get preferential treatment over others.
Funny how the EU claims to be for a common united single market but the massive discrepancies between wages and pensions in Europe can not be reconciled.
And so the EU set out to make their own pension product:
Blood-is-Nature ago
Nope. The EU is there to destroy the Union of Europe, by destroying the cultures, the nationality, the races, and the bloodlines. Why? Because it is an arm of the UN, which intents (it already has) to unify all nations under their own control; into a one world government of organized crime. What you're witnessing in the EU and the rest of the west is them systematically breaking away the old, for the control system that they build underneath to emerge (from the ashes like a phoenix). It's the enactment; the play called "order out of chaos" disguised under economic catastrophes, migration (invasion), racial tension, religious warfare, loss of freedoms, and the usual 24/7 fearmongering. And the reason why we are semi-allowed to know about all these things; is called the act of "enlightenment".
These criminals are staging history using the same playbooks they used for millennia.
midnightblue1335 ago
Heh, that sentence is funny:
"The European Union is there to destroy the Union of Europe."
Are those actually two different things? Is there an EU and a UoE?
Blood-is-Nature ago
I meant the unification of Europeans by culture, nationality, race, family units and bloodlines. That's what the EU wants to destroy; that is its sole purpose.
Well, there is the EU, a private corporation trying to consolidate all power of the individual members states into their corporate control, while utilizing this criminal infrastructure to steal away the freedom of all the Europeans living under their tyranny, and on the other side are the Europeans who are under attack by the jewish mafia from every direction. And those people were robbed out of any representation on legal or moral terms. They are slaves in the way of a mafia, trying to survive on land robbed from them.
generate ago
Why? s it not enough for a pension? You can live pretty much anywhere except Los Angeles probably with 3700 EUR per month
Broc_Lia ago
The problem is much much deeper than the amount of any french pension. When people ignore an invasion of their country and squabble for more money for their little corner then their country is doomed.
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lipids ago
Crab mentality. We have more wealth than ever before in history but the rich are looting it.
ShutItDownGoyim ago
The (((rich))). This whole “eat the rich” idea might not be so bad after all.
GoldShekelSteinBerg ago
You'll never get the vile taste of jew out of your mouth.
tentra ago
I don't like soy.
Mustard_Monkey ago
Not exactly. They have a foreign trespassers problem in their own country. Too busy eating cake to care what the real issue is
NACHTJAGD ago
52 year old bus driver France retires with 3700 euro's a month net.
67 year old bus driver Netherlands retires with 2600 Euro's a month net.
The EU is a failed system.