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pessimisticsteel ago

Why don't they make it all males then?

cryptex ago

Because its all noise anyway to make you think they actually go anywhere instead of just shooting an unmanned rocket into the ocean.

Noise.

elitch2 ago

My favorite is how they lost everything to do with the Apollo missions. Telemetry, voice, video, blueprints, prototypes, training materials, etc.

There is zero physical proof that the missions were anything but theatre.

Check out the movie Capricorn One. They are compelled to broadcast their secrets, for some reason.

chrimony ago

My favorite is how they lost everything to do with the Apollo missions. Telemetry, voice, video, blueprints, prototypes, training materials, etc.

Tons of that stuff still exists. You're full of shit.

elitch2 ago

*citation needed

elitch2 ago

The earliest data set in the links provided is from 1971.

Maybe vet your sources better.

chrimony ago

The earliest data set in the links provided is from 1971.

First off, you claimed, " they lost everything to do with the Apollo missions". There were six manned moon landings, from 1969 to 1972. So that it's from 1971 doesn't matter -- your point is proved wrong.

Second, my first link, "Apollo science data", shows data from 1969. Other links: the Apollo 11 audio is from... Apollo 11, the first manned landing in 1969. Same goes for transcripts, videos, the CSM training manual, and blueprints.

Maybe vet your sources better.

Maybe shut the fuck up when you're retarded and don't know what you are talking about.

elitch2 ago

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=moon+landing+data+lost&ia=web

Too bad for nasa fanboy (freemason) here, we have the internet.

chrimony ago

Too bad for nasa fanboy (freemason) here, we have the internet.

Congratulations, you finally figured out how to search the Internet. Too bad your original claim is still wrong, and your generic search does nothing to counter the data I provided -- data that you claimed didn't exist. All the hype is over a missing tape that's just a higher quality version of the footage displayed on live television. And we still have the live television version, along with higher quality tapes of astronauts driving on the moon, orbiting, and other events.

elitch2 ago

I get it. You're a fanboi.

Care to explain how they dealt with the Van Allen Belts?

Have you ever sped up "moon" footage 2X? Looks just like dudes walking normally, on wires.

The live television? You mean where they had tv cameras pointed at a low res screen? There is no direct live footage of anything. Just like the "composite images" of the Earth, it's all made up.

Sorry buddy, Kubrick shot the "Moon landings" on a sound stage.

I suppose you believe the ISS is real too. https://invidio.us/search?q=ISS+green+screen

chrimony ago

I get it. You're a fanboi.

I get it. You're retarded. You made a bullshit statement because you got snowed by a single story about one video that was lost. Too lazy and willing to look pig ignorant to search the web, you asked for a citation. I gave you links to all the stuff you said didn't exist. Still too pig ignorant to recognize your mistake, you make another bullshit claim about the links I gave, which I was easily able to shoot down. Having failed that, you revert to a generic search.

Having shot that down, you resort to moving the goal posts and parroting standard moon hoaxer talking points. I suppose you believe the Earth is flat, too.

elitch2 ago

nasa is fake news, you are a fanboi.

Fine, they lost significant amounts of irreplaceable data.

Also, every "Moon rock" tested has been a fake. The Nederlands were gifted a piece of petrified wood, told it was a Moon rock.

It's all theatre, and you buy it hook, line, and sinker.

chrimony ago

nasa is fake news, you are a fanboi.

You've proven yourself to be a retarded monkey.

Fine, they lost significant amounts of irreplaceable data.

So we've gone from, "lost everything", to losing a higher resolution video of one that was broadcast around the world live as it happened, while tons of existing data still exists. ERR MERR GAHD, NAWSAH IS A HOAXX!!11

Also, every "Moon rock" tested has been a fake. The Nederlands were gifted a piece of petrified wood, told it was a Moon rock.

Also, you never learn from your mistakes. You take one story and expand it to encompass everything. The goodwill moon rocks given to the Netherlands that are still there and not fakes. The one obvious fake was from the estate of the deceased prime minister. There are other samples in other countries. Some have been lost and found.

The rocks also underwent numerous tests by research scientists. They still conduct tests on these rocks.

elitch2 ago

Sure thing, buddy.

We went to the Moon in the 60's, but haven't managed beyond LEO since.

chrimony ago

We went to the Moon in the 60's, but haven't managed beyond LEO since.

Having been made a fool of again, you fall back to another moon hoaxer talking point. We stopped going to the moon because it was incredibly expensive, pointless, and the public lost interest. We only went there in the first place to one-up the Soviets in the space race. In the meantime, we've sent probes to all the planets, sent rovers on Mars, and launched space telescopes and satellites. All at a fraction of the cost of manned missions while yielding more data.

If you weren't a drooling idiot knee-deep in shit hoaxer theories, you could have figured this out for yourself.

elitch2 ago

I'm the one with wacky theories? You're the one who believes in nasa.

Anyhow, you have fun with all your (totally not fake) knowledge of how the universe works, and all.

Me, I'm still wondering why the curvature doesn't kick in after 3.14 miles.

chrimony ago

Me, I'm still wondering why the curvature doesn't kick in after 3.14 miles.

Lulz, so you are a flattard! Nailed it.

elitch2 ago

I'm agnostic. Prove to me the Earth is pear shaped, without using "muh nasa, & muh gravity".

Should be very simple to prove, no?

chrimony ago

Should be very simple to prove, no?

Try proving math to a retarded monkey.

elitch2 ago

Nice proof. Good one!

Seriously. If it's so very obvious and true, prove it.

chrimony ago

Seriously. If it's so very obvious and true, prove it.

There are many ways to prove it, even when you deny pictures from space as some giant NASA conspiracy. I will do so, and like the retarded monkey that you are, you will deny it, despite the blatant obviousness that you can't bullshit your way out of.

Do you remember the US solar eclipse from 2017? Millions of people saw it. How did they know when and where to go to see it? They used predictions from a model based on a spherical Earth. Why was it so accurate that millions of people could rely on it? Where's the flattard model that makes such a prediction?

And before you parrot the standard flattard talking point that ancients used to make solar eclipse predictions, they were based on local history and repeated patterns, were not reliable with any accuracy, and made no predictions about other locations where observances hadn't been made. If you want modern reliability and accuracy across the Earth, you need an accurate model based on realistic geometry, not fevered flattard dreams.

elitch2 ago

Eclipses can be explained perfectly well by other models.

Want to have a stab at explaining why engineers don't take curvature into account when building anything? Rail road tracks, roads, canals, etc, no curvature taken into account.

Could you point me in the direction of any experiment that demonstrates water clinging to the outside of a spinning sphere?

Care to postulate a reasoning behind spreading the myth of coriolis effect causing water to spin different directions per hemisphere? Because coriolis effect is fake as fuck news, buddy.

chrimony ago

Eclipses can be explained perfectly well by other models.

Then show me. You won't, because you nor anybody else has one. It should be dead easy, too, because the data is in the past. Where's the model that predicts the time and path of the 2017 eclipse?

Want to have a stab at explaining why engineers don't take curvature into account when building anything? Rail road tracks, roads, canals, etc, no curvature taken into account.

See, this is where you do the standard hoaxtard/flattard thing, where you keep on piling bullshit upon bullshit for me to respond to, while you never provide anything of substance. I told you, you can't teach a retarded monkey math.

elitch2 ago

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm one explanation, I don't subscribe to this as fact, but it's a workable model.

I am not trying to prove anything, I'm agnostic. I don't have enough information to decide the shape of my world.

I don't trust anything, not sure how you can, but whatever gets you through the day.

You can insult me as much as you want, I don't care about internet tough guys, but you haven't proven your position.

Enjoy those intellectual blinders.

TheWorstImaginable ago

this guy replied to a comment I made about the suez canal ( I was watching a video about flat earth and that was one of the main things that stood out to me.) and I swear he must have said 'flattard' like 12 times. Right, I'm going to believe the vitriolic loser on voat that calls me kindergarten level insults vs someone who actually tries to explain things in a calm rational manner. I feel the same way you do, I don't know enough to believe either way, but if long bridges are entirely level or I guess straight in this instance since if the world curves then so does 'level', then something is definitely up.

elitch2 ago

Exactly. How the fuck does water cling to the outside of a spinning ball? How do you find "level" on a curved surface?

There are real questions to be answered here. But all I ever get is ad hominem attacks, and nasa "pictures".

nasa is 100% horseshit. Look at the video of the "moon landings"? So many questions.

Blast crater? Wonky shadows? "Sun" reflected in visor shows a wide angle stage light. Paper thin aluminium capsule passes through VA belts, and the astronauts live to a ripe old age, instead of dieing almost immediately form hideous cancers.

TheWorstImaginable ago

Just my take on it without doing any experiments or taking any sides.. Flat Earthers seem to take some offence from talking about Gravity, but assuming gravity is real and interacting with individual water molecules instead of thinking of an ocean as one solid chunk of water could explain why it doesn't fly everywhere. I'd be interested in seeing a study with a 10 mile pool being constructed so it's completely straight/flat. (not level, I'll get to that in a minute) a 10km long distance should have a 'drop' of around 66 feet, and if gravity is responsible for keeping water planted on the earth there should be a 30 foot bow in the center of the 10 miles of water to coincide with the curvature of the earth and its gravitational field.

On to the subject of 'level', and the argument about train tracks and shit like that. This is one of the weak points where I can't convince myself the earth is flat. I like to play devils advocate with myself and explore both sides of arguments, especially with things like this where I have no experience or training. Assuming there's gravity, and we aren't just operating in a system of buoyancy and density like flat earthers believe, the gravity and the bubble in a bubble level will give you a reading for your 'local level'. Almost anywhere you go gravity can be assumed to be 'pulling' directly downwards. I'd like to see a test where someone climbs a mountain with a huge amount of mass, and takes a super precise level. Is gravity from the mountain going to skew the measurement a little making level be a little diagonal, or is 'level' still going to be 90degrees from the earths core or directly 'down' in the case of a flat earth? The thing about train tracks is you can build train tracks up and down a mountain, you can build a castle on a mountain. You don't need to take into account the curvature of the mountain, you do landscaping and make the area flat or slanted at an acceptable grade. It's the same thing as a round earth. You don't need to account for 66 feet across 10 miles because trains have no problem traversing grades like that.

10 miles is something like 53000 feet. That equals about 1 foot of curvature per 800 feet, or 66.6 feet with 1 inch of curvature. For most construction this wouldn't even be an issue, but for huge structures that span whole city blocks or are really high you'd end up having to do some extremely precise levelling. For a 666 foot long square structure you would have to account for the center of the structure being about 5 inches 'higher' than the corners, but that's really minor landscaping in the grand scheme of things. It's not that hard to imagine that a city can curve because they build right over hills in some cities, and a tower built 10 miles from another tower would still be 'level' even though it's jutting off the planet at an entirely different angle than the first tower..

I refuse to respond sincerely to that shit talker replying to you and I because when it comes to something like this where I'm actually trying to have a conversation about something (as opposed to talking shit to someone who literally believes the bible) I don't really care to read an insult every second word. He has some good points though, like the stars in the sky rotating instead of moving off into the distance. Stuff like that is too blatant for me to even want to believe in the flat earth, but it does intrigue me something furious nonetheless.

elitch2 ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1cHNjHJlMc suez canal is perfectly level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwCRej0BoA4 7.5 mile frozen lake laser experiment.

There's a lot more.

Those are interesting numbers that pop up when you work the curvature math, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DgfCM1b804

TheWorstImaginable ago

I'm going to have to do some experiments of my own because I have severe trust issues. I don't believe 'science' because I feel that a lot of things have been infiltrated and corrupted, I don't trust truthers or conspiracy theorists or hippies because they're such hardliners they'll bend the truth or straight up lie to win arguments.

I always put my walls up and thought the flat earth theory was completely ridiculous. 30 minutes into a youtube video and I have this feeling in my gut like... fuck, are you serious? How do you explain some of this stuff?

But just like NASA and their photos of earth, I have to trust NASA or some guy on YouTube in the case of Flat Earth theories. They could just be lying, and I don't trust it unless I see it myself. In the case of that suez canal video, it's posted by someone who calls themselves stationary plane and doesn't actually show any evidence of the canal being flat for 120 miles. I'd have to go to a point in the canal myself and use a laser level and get someone to go whatever amount of distance away and measure if the laser is significantly higher than water level there. If it's not, something is up.

I actually live near Rock Lake. I should go check it out. In that experiment, assuming everything was as it seemed and worked out properly, at 7.5 miles the beam should have been around face level, 6 feet. But with the camera only being a foot above the ice I'm not sure how the beam made it to the other side, must have been some pretty flat ice. Usually it cracks and juts up around here. They also changed the angle of the beam after the experiment started because the beam was getting too high. Unfortunately that invalidates the experiment for me, and they'd have to use a level on the laser first, make sure it's level and then leave it alone.

I don't know what to make of the 666 stuff. I'm not on board with creationism or any kind of religious faith. Is this suggesting that it's some kind of satanism that (((they))) are pushing by creating this lie?

What do you say about that asshole who was replying to you? He had a good point about the stars movement in the sky. Since I don't have any chips in the game and don't really care either way because I haven't done any experiments yet, I don't feel like I need to try to believe absurdities to prove I'm right or wrong, so I can look at this sincerely from either side. I feel like if the world was flat it could still be orbiting or flying around, but the fact that things seem to orbit or spin and the sun is always shining somewhere on earth throws a wrench in the flat earth theory. I can't find a way to explain that, other than the sky is fake lol and like I said I'm not ready to believe that.

elitch2 ago

It should be very easy to prove a ball Earth, is what I always thought. I am not a "flat-Earther", I honestly have no idea. The stars rotating on an axis is one of my problems with the heliocentric model. Am I to believe that after at tens of thousands of years of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU the north star, and all the rest of them, are in exactly the same place as when the Pyramids were constructed. Keep in mind this https://invidio.us/search?q=egyptians+didn%27t+build

Here check this one out. Tell me if you ever see a flight across a southern ocean. https://www.flightradar24.com/13.26,134.53/2

The Suez has no locks, meaning there is no inclination or declination. By definition, level. I don't know what the lights in the sky are, but the heliocentric model seems improbable given my own two eyes.

TheWorstImaginable ago

Yea that's weird and something I've never thought of. Why would the stars be in the same general area even?

Who do you think built the pyramids and why?

By across the ocean you mean like from Madagascar to Australia? Or over antarctica?

elitch2 ago

Any southern ocean. Damned odd, that.

No idea about the Pyramids, but it certainly wasn't the Egyptians. You can clearly see two differing construction methods. Same is true of Machu Pichu, where you have very old, near-seamless stonework, and then much rougher on top.

TheWorstImaginable ago

I saw a bunch flying over them yesterday. One appears to be going to Argentina via Australia right now. And from Africa to South America. But then again this is just a website and I can't actually determine anything is real or not. One also appears to be flying for capetown on a northern course. Looks like it came up from Antarctica but I couldn't imagine why.

elitch2 ago

The odd flight does seem to cross the southern oceans, but it's always a "assumed course", with the dotted lines. Not real time tracking.

There's certainly not a constant stream of traffic. I also mean across a southern ocean, not just dipping into the northern tip of one.

TheWorstImaginable ago

zoom in. lots of the flights don't appear til you zoom in. and realistically how many people are flying from south america to africa? They probably have main lines that connect to major airports and then smaller flights that fly much less frequently to link the shitholes together. Anyways, by stating this are you assuming that the map is inaccurate and shaped differently than it's portrayed?

I was doing a little reading and found this example of North Wales and the Isle of Man. http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/02/flat-earth-curvature.html It's the second image in this 'article'. Either I don't know how to do math, don't understand how the curvature math is supposed to be done, or maybe Eric Dubay doesn't. The claim is that 60 miles of ocean will have 1944 feet of 'bulge' in the middle or over 30 feet of curvature per mile. My math suggests something like 40 feet TOTAL over 60 miles, but I'm not sure how the squared math works. (8 inches per mile SQUARED) 8 squared is 64. Doesn't add up, I'm not at all sure about how that works though. Then Eric or whoever wrote that says with a 100 foot tall vantage point you can clearly see the other shoreline. With my math of 40 feet of rise in the ocean, a 100 foot vantage point will easily allow you to see over that. So that example is debunked as far as I'm concerned, but I'd be interested to see what others had to say. I commented about this on that article, we'll see if someone gets back to me about it. Seems like a MASSIVE miscalculation, but it could very well be me who's miscalculating.

elitch2 ago

My point about the tracking still applies. The flights you do see are marked by dotted lines (click on flight). That's not real time tracking, it's "assumed path".

You are indeed incorrect in your math. By your calculations, you should have 1600' of curvature. You're being a bit imprecise though, so 1944 is probably the correct sum.

TheWorstImaginable ago

That equals 26' per mile, how do you end up with that amount from the numbers given? (60 miles distance, 8 inches curvature per mile squared)

Maybe I'm missing the point, I have a headache today and feel a little thick. Why would flights want to cross a southern ocean? They're so wide and the high traffic destinations are in other directions. And what's the significance of the tracking? Check out flight QFA28, seems way off course, but going through a southern ocean. There's another, TAM8058 from sao paulo to johannesburg. I just can't imagine there are anywhere near as many flights going direct from shithole to shithole.

TheWorstImaginable ago

I'm watching that first video now. I like that they used an example I posted in my last comment, sao paulo to johannesburg. that TAM8058 flight appears to be going direct, over the south atlantic right now. It makes more sense to go to london, probably because more people want to go to london than johannesburg, and they can unload and get new paying passengers on the same flight down to johannesburg.

chrimony ago

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm one explanation, I don't subscribe to this as fact, but it's a workable model.

If it's a "workable model" then work it. Predict the path of the 2017 eclipse using that model. But you can't, because you're a retarded monkey that can only point at things and screech without understanding. If you had actually attempted to read it and understand what it was saying, you'd realize it says to do exactly what I said the ancients already did, which does not yield anything remotely resembling a modern prediction. There's no coherent model, no worldwide prediction. Just a reliance on local observation and repeated patterns. Most of the paper has nothing to do with solar eclipses. It's just a wacky argument that lunar eclipses are not caused by the Earth's shadow.

I am not trying to prove anything, I'm agnostic.

You're a retarded monkey that denies grade-school science.

You can insult me as much as you want, I don't care about internet tough guys, but you haven't proven your position.

Except I have. I've given blatantly obvious facts about the world, predictions of the 2017 solar eclipse, relied upon and verified by millions of people, that result from a spherical Earth. You've given exactly what I said you would -- nothing but pointing to ancient observations.

Enjoy those intellectual blinders.

I'd say the same for you, but you actually need intelligence to have "intellectual blinders".

elitch2 ago

SUre thing, buddy.

You offered zero proof of your position.

Must suck having a double digit IQ.

chrimony ago

You offered zero proof of your position.

You're a liar. I gave you an event witnessed by millions of people, carving a path across the country, at times and places predicted by a spherical model of the Earth. In return, you offered exactly what I said you would -- shitty ancient models based on local observations that cannot predict the path of the 2017 eclipse. You are a retarded monkey. As I said, I cannot teach a retarded monkey math.

Must suck having a double digit IQ.

Must suck being dumber than a grade-schooler.

elitch2 ago

A bunch of people saw an eclipse. That's your "proof the Earth is pear-shaped".

My job here is done.

chrimony ago

A bunch of people saw an eclipse. That's your "proof the Earth is pear-shaped".

Millions of people saw the eclipse because they knew when and where it was going to be across America, down to the mile and minute, predicted months in advance, based on a spherical model of the Earth. Ordinary people are grateful that people smarter than them have figured this stuff out, and take the fruits offered to them. Retarded monkeys like you screech and throw shit.

My job here is done.

Yes, it is. You've made a fool of yourself over and over, beyond all doubt. You did exactly what I said you would do:

"There are many ways to prove it, even when you deny pictures from space as some giant NASA conspiracy. I will do so, and like the retarded monkey that you are, you will deny it, despite the blatant obviousness that you can't bullshit your way out of."

As I said, you cannot prove math to a retarded monkey.

elitch2 ago

You have offered zero scientific evidence for your position.

You clearly do not know how science works.

chrimony ago

You have offered zero scientific evidence for your position.

Oh, look, the retarded monkey is trying to teach me about science. Science is all about predictions and models. If your basic model is correct, it can predict true facts about the world. If your basic model is flawed, like flattard Earth, it cannot.

You clearly do not know how science works.

And you clearly are a retarded monkey. It was amusing playing with the retarded monkey for a while, but you've exhausted your predictable and easily refuted lame responses, and have lapsed into just straight denialism of the most basic truths. In other words, you're a bore.

Buh bye, retarded monkey! And remember: look both ways before crossing the street!

TheWorstImaginable ago

Who is going to listen to a person like you? You're a cretin. Go drink some bleach.

elitch2 ago

Are you a jew?