kingminos ago

You know it pad're. DemoRat Trotsky scum: bust their face smash their neez, make them bleed each time they pea. Burmashave.

LetsBeNakedOutside ago

Fake news.

cuello_rojo ago

Did any of you read this article? It begins with this:

The other day Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was in Israel to receive an award for her commitment to tikkun olam(“to heal the world” in Hebrew,) a spiritual concept that progressive Jews have long distorted so that their malleable religious views could better align with leftist orthodoxy. It’s the sort of convenient philosophy that allows traditions to be subsumed by the vagaries of contemporary politics.

It's kind of a bombshell that any "respectable" political outfit would assert something like this.

411Qintel411 ago

If it wasnt for those damn pesky voters we could have legislated from the bench for ever.

Now we're fucked, so lets go down in flames.

republic_preserver ago

Progressives want nine people to change the Constitution. Progressives are like people who want a foul ball hit over the fence to be called fair because they want their losing team to catch up. They don't want to follow the rules that protect all of us. Except by the amendment process, any change to the Constitution by the Supreme Court through "interpretation" usurps the power of the legislature; the representatives of we the people..

kobold ago

yeah, the constitution is like sunshine for demon-rats

TheOldBillyGoat ago

So true. Dems have depended on liberal judges for 100 years to get their social agenda enforced. Blinded Americans blame the courts and keep voting in the Dems. Hoping for a Red Wave in Nov.

FapMasterPro ago

If you live in a state with a RINO senator, you better be writing your letters.

AlphaOmega ago

If you think this is bad, wait until Kavanaugh is seated and Ginsberg or Bryer make an exit.

At this moment, the court is 4/4 conservative/liberal justices. Kavanaugh will make it 5/4. Ginsberg or Bryer happens during a Republican president (i.e. Trump), you'll see leftist insanity an order of magnitude more intense than what you're seeing now becuase it would make the court 6/3. That's a conservative fucking dream team but the left will not confirm quietly. You'll see fake rape allegations and then some. I wouldn't be surprised if there were attempts on justices lives at that point.

Scrooblemeyer ago

I predict if he gets to appoint another SC Justice that it will be the woman that was being floated as a front runner before finally settling on Kavanaugh. It will be harder to attack her for any made up sexual BS, so they will go after her religious beliefs and being against abortion (Catholic?), but they will risk alienating many women and Christians if they go all out to destroy her.

Onlio ago

Soros has spent billions chipping away at our constitution. He has had great success at destroying it, and getting people to cheer it's destruction.

Grunge ago

Don't call them progressives, they are anything but that.

Truth2Light ago

Exactly. They fear they will not be able to rewrite or do away with it. Originalists are counter to their globalist agenda. The Founders had the foresight to give us a document that could, for the most part, withstand time. The left want chaos and to disrupt our sovereignty and individual freedoms. Our Constitution and those that defend it is what makes this country great.

TrueBornLibertyActuL ago

If they defeat the constution they destroy the republic and our founders knew it!

“Of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trial by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms...If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny.”

James Monroe

Broc_Lia ago

In fairness, he was wrong. The general clauses inserted by the federalists allowed them to dance neatly around the bill of rights most of the time.

Sellyoulight ago

Shame on you for calling those regressive cunts “progressives”. There is no excuse for misusing the word “progressive” like that.

Ioath ago

Democrats should fear a Republican party that is finally willing to tell them to shut up and eat the shit sandwich. Dems want the courts so bad because they know that popular opinion is not on their side. Their real goals are not on the ballot box. They run for office on lies then try to get what they want in the courts.

DaveofPC ago

Communists and socialists want to abolish our constitution. They need a one way ticket out of our country.

peacegnome ago

progressives are just tools of (((golbalists))). so are many other groups, actually just about all groups. The constitution is against everything that (((they))) want, and so they are doing whatever they can to hurt people who are trying to get us back to the piece of paper.

111_onlythetruth ago

bring in the guillotine. time for justice for these traitors. i will donate my time to run it.

peacegnome ago

They could probably sell the job for quite a bit. I'd pay $100 or so to execute a traitor politician. They could use the money for deportations and the wall.

111_onlythetruth ago

still taking bids? i bid 200.00

shrink ago

At least this author can write articulately and in appreciatively descriptive language along with brevity.

sosat_menya_reddit ago

They can’t advance legislation because it all sucks and is bad for America. They only way they get their fucked up ideas rammed down our throats is through the courts.

based_citizen ago

Sen. Sasse sums it up pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJK2JveCAbI

Worth watching...

BLATBLAT4muhGAT ago

They know their treasonous cases will be turned over to military tribunals.

OhRutherfordBehave ago

When in the last 50 years has the constitution not been used to screw us over. The constitution applies to brown people when it benefits TPTB, the constitution does not apply to white people.

desumraw ago

i wonder how many of the ones trying to stop him will be sitting in front of him after he gets confirmed?

Caver888 ago

I have thought of the same thing---paybacks are a bitch. I don't think the dems are thinking that far ahead though---they are in panic mode because their gig is up and the truth is hanging on the edge of the cliff---about to fall.

Butler_crosley ago

For what?

un1ty ago

The upcoming Military Tribunals.

He was specifically asked about them - and he answered absolutely correct - when asked by Lindsey Graham. Kavanaugh said that since we're in a State of Emergency, the federal government can call traitors and treasonous enemy combatants to a military tribunal for their actions.

If this is true, and there is enough evidence to show that previous administrations and their lackeys have committed treason or are deemed traitors, they could effectively be forced into a court martial.

NoisyCricket ago

(part 2) Here's what it looks like when all the pieces are sewn together

It smells like conspiracy and treason. Everyone needs to read this. Slowly, and patiently, because it’s very important......

From 2001 to 2005 there was an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

A Grand Jury had been impaneled.

Governments from around the world had donated to the “Charity”.

Yet, from 2001 to 2003 none of those “Donations” to the Clinton Foundation were declared. Now you would think that an honest investigator would be able to figure this out.

Look who took over this investigation in 2005: None other than James Comey; Coincidence? Guess who was transferred into the Internal Revenue Service to run the Tax Exemption Branch of the IRS? None other than, Lois “Be on The Look Out” (BOLO) Lerner. Isn’t that interesting?

But this is all just a series of strange coincidences, right?

Guess who ran the Tax Division inside the Department of Injustice from 2001 to 2005?

No other than the Assistant Attorney General of the United States,

Rod Rosenstein.

Guess who was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation during this time frame?

Another coincidence (just an anomaly in statistics and chances), but it was Robert Mueller.

What do all four casting characters have in common?

They all were briefed and/or were front-line investigators into the Clinton Foundation Investigation.

Another coincidence, right?

Fast forward to 2009....

James Comey leaves the Justice Department to go and cash-in at Lockheed Martin.

Hillary Clinton is running the State Department, official government business, on her own personal email server.

The Uranium One “issue” comes to the attention of the Hillary.

Like all good public servants do, supposedly looking out for America’s best interest, she decides to support the decision and approve the sale of 20% of US Uranium to no other than, the Russians.

Now you would think that this is a fairly straight up deal, except it wasn’t, America got absolutely nothing out of it.

However, prior to the sales approval, no other than Bill Clinton goes to Moscow, gets paid 500K for a one hour speech; then meets with Vladimir Putin at his home for a few hours.

Ok, no big deal right? Well, not so fast, the FBI had a mole inside the money laundering and bribery scheme.

Robert Mueller was the FBI Director during this time frame? Yep, He even delivered a Uranium Sample to Moscow in 2009.

Who was handling that case within the Justice Department out of the US Attorney’s Office in Maryland?

None other than, Rod Rosenstein. And what happened to the informant?

The Department of Justice placed a GAG order on him and threatened to lock him up if he spoke out about it.

How does 20% of the most strategic asset of the United States of America end up in Russian hands when the FBI has an informant, a mole providing inside information to the FBI on the criminal enterprise?

Very soon after; the sale was approved!~145 million dollars in “donations” made their way into the Clinton Foundation from entities directly connected to the Uranium One deal.

Guess who was still at the Internal Revenue Service working the Charitable Division? None other than, - Lois Lerner.

Ok, that’s all just another series of coincidences, nothing to see here, right?

Let’s fast forward to 2015.

Due to a series of tragic events in Benghazi and after the 9 “investigations” the House, Senate and at State Department, Trey Gowdy who was running the 10th investigation as Chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi discovers that the Hillary ran the State Department on an unclassified, unauthorized, outlaw personal email server.He also discovered that none of those emails had been turned over when she departed her “Public Service” as Secretary of State which was required by law. He also discovered that there was Top Secret information contained within her personally archived email.

Sparing you the State Departments cover up, the nostrums they floated, the delay tactics that were employed and the outright lies that were spewed forth from the necks of the Kerry State Department, we shall leave it with this…… they did everything humanly possible to cover for Hillary. .

Now this is amazing, guess who became FBI Director in 2013? None other than James Comey; who secured 17 no bid contracts for his employer (Lockheed Martin) with the State Department and was rewarded with a six million dollar thank you present when he departed his employer? Amazing how all those no-bids just went right through at State, huh?

Now he is the FBI Director in charge of the “Clinton Email Investigation” after of course his FBI Investigates the Lois Lerner “Matter” at the Internal Revenue Service and he exonerates her. Nope.... couldn’t find any crimes there.

In April 2016, James Comey drafts an exoneration letter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile the DOJ is handing out immunity deals like candy.They didn’t even convene a Grand Jury!

Like a lightning bolt of statistical impossibility, like a miracle from God himself, like the true “Gangsta” Comey is, James steps out into the cameras of an awaiting press conference on July the 8th of 2016, and exonerates the Hillary from any wrongdoing.

Do you see the pattern?

It goes on and on, Rosenstein becomes Asst. Attorney General,Comey gets fired based upon a letter by Rosenstein, Comey leaks government information to the press, Mueller is assigned to the Russian Investigation sham by Rosenstein to provide cover for decades of malfeasance within the FBI and DOJ and the story continues.

FISA Abuse, political espionage..... pick a crime, any crime, chances are...... this group and a few others did it:

All the same players.

All compromised and conflicted.

All working fervently to NOT go to jail themselves

All connected in one way or another to the Clinton's.

They are like battery acid; they corrode and corrupt everything they touch.How many lives have these two destroyed?

As of this writing, the Clinton Foundation, in its 20+ years of operation of being the largest International Charity Fraud in the history of mankind, has never been audited by the Internal Revenue Service.

Let us not forget that Comey's brother works for DLA Piper, the law firm that does the Clinton Foundation's taxes.

The person that is the common denominator to all the crimes above and still doing her evil escape legal maneuvers at the top of the 3 Letter USA Agencies?

Yep, that would be Hillary R. Clinton.

Now who is LISA BARSOOMIAN? Let’s learn a little about Mrs. Lisa H. Barsoomian’s background.

Lisa H. Barsoomian, an Attorney that graduated from Georgetown Law, is a protégé of James Comey and Robert Mueller.

Barsoomian, with her boss R. Craig Lawrence, represented Bill Clinton in 1998.

Lawrence also represented:

Robert Mueller three times;

James Comey five times;

Barack Obama 45 times;

Kathleen Sebelius 56 times;

Bill Clinton 40 times; and

Hillary Clinton 17 times.

Between 1998 and 2017, Barsoomian herself represented the FBI at least five times.

You may be saying to yourself, OK, who cares? Who cares about the work history of this Barsoomian woman?

Apparently, someone does, because someone out there cares so much that they’ve “purged” all Barsoomian court documents for her Clinton representation in Hamburg vs. Clinton in 1998 and its appeal in 1999 from the DC District and Appeals Court dockets (?). Someone out there cares so much that even the internet has been “purged” of all information pertaining to Barsoomian.

Historically, this indicates that the individual is a protected CIA operative. Additionally, Lisa Barsoomian has specialized in opposing Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of the intelligence community. Although Barsoomian has been involved in hundreds of cases representing the DC Office of the US Attorney, her email address is Lisa Barsoomian at NIH.gov. The NIH stands for National Institutes of Health. This is a tactic routinely used by the CIA to protect an operative by using another government organization to shield their activities.

It’s a cover, so big deal right? What does one more attorney with ties to the US intelligence community really matter?

It deals with Trump and his recent tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum imports, the border wall, DACA, everything coming out of California, the Uni-party unrelenting opposition to President Trump, the Clapper leaks, the Comey leaks, Attorney General Jeff Sessions recusal and subsequent 14 month nap with occasional forays into the marijuana legalization mix …. and last but not least Mueller’s never-ending investigation into collusion between the Trump team and-the Russians.

Why does Barsoomian, CIA operative, merit any mention?

BECAUSE….

She is Assistant Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s WIFE!

These people are going to prison and/or will be executed.

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Butler_crosley ago

But they won't go in front of Kavanaugh unless they are arguing a case. SCOTUS has a very limited scope for original jurisdiction (US Constitution Article III Section 2, Section 3 defines treason by the way).

NoisyCricket ago

There is behind the scene stuff going on. Notice Q has referenced SCOTUS approval for various matters. SCOTUS will play a large role in pushing things to tribunals. Notice the EO only allows for consultations with civilian courts? How do you think that works? ;)

You get people who are interesting in upholding the US Constitution and the military consulting with them saying things like, "these people are traitors, how about you allow us to deal with it?", and you'll see magic.

SkrutinizeYou ago

I wish this was stickied to the top of page one.

HerrHaller ago

Extremely good summary. You should organize this a little better, add sources, and post it in its own thread.

NoisyCricket ago

Human trafficking, treason (sedition, subversion, helping the enemy), selling secrets to the Chinese, Russia, and Paki, bribery, murder, so on and so on...

I hope people understand that Obama, Hillary, Comey, Lynch, Brennan, Rosenstein, and many others are going to prison and/or the gallows for execution. The are literally traitors. I hope people understand that while they are screaming at Trump, they are literally supporting traitors to this country.

We already know that the FISA Application details an attempted coup against Trump. More than 50,000 new text messages will be released. And the FISA Application has been approved for declassification. Which means many of the traitors who played an active role in the coup will be explicitly named. Which is why they are trying to declare Trump mentally unfit for declassifying it.

Now ask yourselves why MSM is not covering what is a factual part of the federal record? Did you know that the NYT has had an underacted copy of the FISA Application and have knowingly been supporting sedition and subversion; both high crimes in the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115

"The United States seeks to impose tangible and significant consequences on those who commit serious human rights abuse or engage in corruption, as well as to protect the financial system of the United States from abuse by these same persons."

"I therefore determine that serious human rights abuse and corruption around the world constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

"Sec. 12. In accordance with Article 33 of the UCMJ, as amended by section 5204 of the MJA, the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, will issue nonbinding guidance regarding factors that commanders, convening authorities, staff judge advocates, and judge advocates should take into account when exercising their duties with respect to the disposition of charges and specifications in the interest of justice and discipline under Articles 30 and 34 of the UCMJ. That guidance will take into account, with appropriate consideration of military requirements, the principles contained in official guidance of the Attorney General to attorneys for the Federal Government with respect to the disposition of Federal criminal cases in accordance with the principle of fair and evenhanded administration of Federal criminal law." - January 1, 2019

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2018-amendments-manual-courts-martial-united-states/

Military tribunal are now on the table https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH1G4CIbfwA

When it Comes to Guantanamo, Trump is Truly the Builder in Chief https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/28/when-it-comes-guantanamo-trump-truly-builder-chief.html

US private prison program rebooted by Trump administration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/trump-revives-private-prison-program-doj-obama-administration-end

Turley: Sessions’ Appointing Utah Federal Prosecutor Much Better for Trump than 2nd Special Counsel

breitbart.com - Turley: Sessions’ Using Utah Federal Prosecutor Much Better for Trump than 2nd Special Counsel

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703357104575045794048725562

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/02/laura_silsby_haiti_orphans_wou.html

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/state-department-employee-pleads-guilty-producing-child-pornography

https://neonnettle.com/features/1491-top-journalist-investigating-clinton-child-sex-crimes-found-dead

Hillary got Haitian government to drop kidnapping and trafficking charges. Email from Huma to Hillary. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/25620

Child trafficking and sex slaves in Haiti? https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/sunday-nights-matt-doran-goes-undercover-with-operation-underground-railroad-to-bring-down-haiti-child-sex-ring/news-story/dcecf5950ca5b6d501c48ed927127bc3

https://thehayride.com/2018/06/bombshell-ig-report-confirms-clinton-linked-sex-crimes-against-children-evidence-on-weiner-laptop/

Was Trump joking? Was he dishonest in any way? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmvxx_YbDsM&t=9m50s

We also know that per the official federal record Obama and Hillary were illegally trafficking weapons to the enemies on the United States of America. We also know that they knew about the attack 10 days before it occurred. Meaning they purposely assisted in the murder of Americans.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/the-truth-about-benghazi/#anc1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F96ZZuvK9M

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Butler_crosley ago

Cornell Law School website with all the US Codes is one of my favorite resources to use when I want to read the actual text of the law. That said the Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities law only gives the death penalty as a possible punishment for treason. Given that treason is strictly defined in the Constitution, that makes it more difficult to build a case unless you have an admission in open court or at least two witnesses to it. Given these people are so tightly connected together and protective of each other it will be hard to find corroborating witnesses willing to testify in open court.

The amendment you quoted appear to just be making sure that process for military trials and federal criminal trials operate similarly (probably so a civilian lawyer can be able defend a client in front of a military tribunal). Tribunals haven't occurred in large scale since the 1860's under Lincoln and it would take similar conditions for them to happen on that scale again. Of course for Trump to do that he would have to essentially be using the Constitution as toliet paper like Lincoln did.

If you need a decent website for the UMCJ, try this one: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

I may not agree you but gotta give you props for bringing lots of sources to back up your argument. Hope you can survive here.

NoisyCricket ago

Actually tribunals were used during WWII and this discussion was provided in the links I provided above, as part of the confirmation.

If you read the link I provided on treason (which I'm assuming you did since you make reference to Cornell), they clearly lay out punishments other than death.

The trick here is that the EO, come January 1st, allows for consultations for deferment to the UMCJ and corresponding tribunals. Given that we are under a national emergency (per EO, link provided) and an "act of war" (again, see video link of confirmation), this 100% opens the door for tribunals. Which is why they are pushing so hard against a new Justice who will uphold the US Constitution. Having a majority SCOTUS who will uphold rule of law is what they fear most. They don't fear Kavanaugh, but rule of law and the US Constitution. Which has special provisions for these people.

Given these people are so tightly connected together and protective of each other it will be hard to find corroborating witnesses willing to testify in open court.

This is why the Deep State is being taken down. This is why the AG, FBI, and DOJ is being cleaned. There are plenty who are turning state's witness. You'll see. ;)

Butler_crosley ago

I apologise for reopening this thread but I discovered something pertinent to our discussion while I was reading about something from the Civil War. There actually was a case heard by the SCOTUS concerning tribunals and US citizens called "ex parte Milligan" that you might want to read. The ruling stated that if civilian courts are functioning then civilians are to be tried there and not by military tribunals. Milligan was a resident of Indiana who was arrested for conspiring to commit sabotage to aid the Confederacy so I think the case would probably be used as a defense from any tribunals.

NoisyCricket ago

It's been superceeded by WWII precedent. So long as they acted against the country as an enemy combatant (non-uniformed and/or undeclared) during a time of war, the courts have the option of deferring people to military tribunals. This requires the military to ask and SCOTUS to approve. The EO is the asking. Bret is part of the approving.

Butler_crosley ago

Are you referring to ex parte Quirin? If so that ruling was based on the fact the men had received training from the German military to carry out their act and were acting as spys. They were also subject to the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 because all 8 were born in Germany before immigrating to the US. Also I believe the SCOTUS has also already ruled 2 or 3 times against tribunals under the AUMF, MCA, and state of emergency for terrorism. Milligan is still has precedence because he was born in the US.

Gorsuch and Roberts will be the main two wild cards with Gorsuch being the bigger wild card of the two.

NoisyCricket ago

This article is correct. It is consistent with the law and President Trump's executive orders which become active on January 1st, 2019. As I stated, origin of birth does not matter. The US is currently a, "designated military zone", and all that is needed are, "offenses against the laws of war." All of which apply to many high ranking Democrats; including Hillary and Obama.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2001/dec/29/20011229-034340-4595r/

NoisyCricket ago

Watch the video link provided above. Origin of birth is irrelevent.

Butler_crosley ago

I meant on the scale you were talking about. Tribunals occur during most wars and conflicts but large scale the Civil War probably had the highest amount. Any newspaper in the North that spoke ill of the war faced being shut down and having employees face tribunals, I believe any Southern sympathizers in the border states went before tribunals, and a good part of the Maryland General Assembly faced tribunals. I don't know the exact numbers or even if there are exact numbers for how many but I'm pretty sure it was a bigger percentage of the population than WW1 or WW2 had. If the Deep State is as large as some claim it is then it would be possible that it would be similar to WW2 numbers, but again I don't see it happening anytime soon.

As for the penalties, yes I know that execution isn't the sole punishment for treason under that act. I was pointing out the treason is the only charge in that act that carries the death penalty as a possible sentence.

Yes we are under an AUMF that is being used as justification for military involvement in other countries. It should've been repealed by now but Congress is too busy being partisan to do their jobs as defined in the Constitution. They're abdicating their powers and letting the other two branches of government pick up the slack, which is killing the checks and balances that were written into the Constitution for a reason. Instead of checking the executive branch they are giving the President permission to rule by executive decision. And instead of fixing the laws that the Supreme Court overturns they would rather complain the Supreme Court has too much power. I think they need to have class on the Constitution required before any Congressman or Congresswoman takes office and require a refresher course periodically.

Anyways, thanks for the civil debate. It's rare here these days.

AlphabeticalAnon ago

Hi there. Hope you're doing okay.

Anyway, my friend has it even worse, I want to send you some documents that she and her closest allies have written up. I'm starting to see that maybe this accuser of that guy Brett K, and this Ford person, the only picture surfacing of her seems to be someone who looks like a friend of a VERY corrupt judge in Fort Smith, Arkansas who is definitely on the Clinton payroll. You'll see in the juice, is it called?

I wanted to give you this info too. There's a lot more too.

Now...how do I get wordpad attachments here?

NoisyCricket ago

Share them to /v/QRV or /v/GreatAwakening.

AlphabeticalAnon ago

I don't know how this place works it's very confusing and I used to post some at the 8chan board but cannot find my posts there! I'm under the same username there too. But I can find nothing and I know I submitted a post there.

AlphaOmega ago

Woh, tiger. Who the fuck are you and how do I find more information compiled by you?

NoisyCricket ago

I'm just an anon doing my part.

If you see value take it and use it. No attribution required. This isn't about me. It's about us.

AlphaOmega ago

I just really like reading the long, detailed posts like that. It would be even better if it was sourced. That's not a cut at you, I know it takes significantly longer to write a post like that if you're going to source everything. However, the payoff in the end is magnificent. If you got it all into a PDF that's something that could spread like wildfire.

Come to think of it, that's something I could help you lay out if we could do so while both maintaining our anonymity (if you're interested of course).

Honey_Pot ago

Thanks, cricket. Never fail to deliver.

The people I have to red pill will need more than 7 or 8 thousand coincidences to convince them because "if any of that was true, the Press would have a field day....."