Yea, I think moving forward its better to have Janitors appointed to system subs rather than Lvl 2 mods unless they can really show they are onboard with user input and are willing to contribute to the sub in a meaningful way. Too many have personal agendas, bias or site rivalries that affect the way they mod.

So whats the go with this @Typo on how long we are going to leave it up and what action to take? I know you posted it on on a suggestion from @Atko so I was wondering what the plan is or if there's even one.

Those adjustments make good sense and are worth taking a chance on. I guess if things turn to shit further down the road some of the changes could be revisited. It's a dynamic place after all.

While you are in the area, @Typo, I appreciate the work you put into this sub. It is probably the most difficult sub on v/ to moderate while keeping all 'sides' happy. GG.

Come to think of it, it's impossible, so good luck, mate!

Do you think rule 3 will get the axe mate?

Good set of rules

Rule 3 should be mod enforced. People may see an image post they like and upvote it without seeing what sub it is in. You run the risk of too many meme/shitposts taking over the sub.

id rather see the translate link in the comments than as the posted link. better for those who dont need the translation or who dont like google

Apart from memes, I think rule 3 seems a little harsh.

User editorialized titles should be allowed, because it allows the user to call attention to some aspect of the news story, much like a TIL post does.

I think that's why his father is also his brother.

Get rid of rules 1 and 3.

Memes shouldn't be allowed, but images that depict events should be allowed. Also, remove the all-caps thing from rule 2.

Yer just now seeing this? LMAO

Possible compromise - demote them to L3 Janitor status.

The ONLY reason I go to voat is there are no rules. If You want rules, go to reddit. You can find a multitude of ass wipe libtards that will help you make rules . This is an open forum and when you start making rules, you lose participation and end up like reddit. I have no desire to attack Hillary supporters, I think they have drank the kool-aid and there is no reasoning with them, that's not an attack, it's my opinion.

Hijacking top comment for visibility.

I think this is a terrible idea, since it will allow the Trump shills to infiltrate Voat more than they already have. We cannot have free speech if Hillary supporters are silenced, as Trump supporters are willing to attack Hillary supporters and those that they disagree with at any cost. We must support ALL ideas, especially when fighting against fascists in our nation. Allowing social media and bad sites like Breitbart just create untrustworthiness and a bad echo chamber.

So no. Go back to the rules, and don't bend to the alt-reichters.

Rule 7, -Please refer to Removed submissions in the MODERATION LOGS (lower right) to view the anarchy.

We may have to agree to disagree, esp on the point of an archived document as we're potentially getting into some copyright infringement issues. I know it's done as a matter of course, but still the exposure is there.

Also, now the mods are babysitting for the exact same issue as image posts (which I happen to think should be a Guideline and not a rule), i.e. HOW content is contributed.

Can't be any more click baitey than your-mom™, lmao!

Kev, forksandguys appears on quite a few subs and should have been scrubbed from several subs a long while ago: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1334560

Rule 6 English Only - this rule needs to go and be left as a Guideline for users to decide with their votes; if they're not in English, they won't get upvoted in any significant way

Rule 5 URL Shorteners - this rule needs to go and be left as a Guideline for users to decide with their votes; besides most offensive link shorteners are already site-wide banned

Rule 4 Paywalls - this rule needs to go and be left as a Guideline for users to decide with their votes

Rule 3 Images - this rule needs to go and be left as a Guideline for users to decide with their votes .

Rule 2 - Submission Titles: should stay; I hate parsing thru bullshit click-baity or opinionated titles and opinions can be rendered in the comments

Rule 1 - Recent to 30 days: should stay; I can get old news anywhere but v/News should be current

Rule 1: I think it should be removed. Whether something is old, or still relevant is entirely subjective. So I think voats, rather than mod opinion should decide.
Rule 2: I like.
Rule 3: Should be altered. I like the idea of a rule that prevents memes, jokes, and irrelevant crap. But a blanket ban on all pictures is going to block newsworthy items. Both pictures of newsworthy events and pictures/archives of news worthy text, would be removed under the current wording. Memes and other garbage in a sub like this would fall under 'spam', so the rule may not be needed at all.
Rules 4,5, and 6: I like.

That's a good idea, but the date should be year-day-month which is the best date notation.

what about something stated about archives - regarding image posts

Second this removal it's an unnecessary leftover from an old rule that Voat has moved on from now.

I've bought this up before and @Typo agreed it was harsh if the site title was all in caps and said they wouldn't enforce it if that was the case. I'm not sure whether they forgot to change the rule and have been leaving titles where this is the case or forgot about that caveat and conversation. It was a while ago.

Edit: I should have done more than skim the notes on the OP.

caps are left up if the article is in caps since the "suggest title" function doesn't alter case,

The wording of rule 3 should be changed to reflect that though if the users decide to keep it at all.

Awesome. I see an issue with it even being a suggestion. If some one pushes it what will happen? Probably one of two things, it will either be enforced as a rule or it won't. If it isn't going to be enforced then why is it even up there? I will give most people the benefit of the doubt and say that most people here are adults and do not need to be told to be civil like they are children.

"archives are cool."

...?

How is this discussion going to be utilized by the mods? Will you be taking into account the popularity of suggestions, the veracity of the arguments associated to them or is it just a smoke screen and nothing will change except what atko made you change?

Did you see the part where Atko said "only blatant spam should be removed"? Fuck your censorship rules. LET VOATS DECIDE. If genuine problems result from letting voats decide (they won't), then compile a list of examples of these problems and make a new post justifying why there should be ANY rules allowing mods to remove content other than blatant spam in the first place.

Still doesn't really belong here in our free speech paradise.

Please Be Civil: Arguing is fine as we all have differing opinions, but please respect each other.

Free speech. Fuck this bullshit.

Rule 1 is unnecessary. "If it's relevant, it's okay" is so easy to abuse as an excuse for deleting legitimate content. If it's old news it'll get downvoated. Rule 2 has seen abuse on that site and is unnecessary. People will downvoat clickbait. Rule 3 is also unnecessary. Archives are screenshots of websites. Images can be newsworthy content. Users will decide with voats. Rule 4 is nice but unnecessary. Downvoats prevent paywalls from reaching the top. Rule 5 is fine. Users may not pick up on it and it is exploitable. Rule 6 is nice but unnecessary. People will downvoat content in a language they don't understand, or if they care enough about it they'll translate it themselves.

Literally every rule here is unnecessary or just nice to have. Make the rules "no spam, no ads, and no paywalls" and that's all you need. Users do the rest and you have less crap to delete.

Yah, Rule 2 especially seems ripe for abuse. Who is going to be the fact checker? What sources are deemed worthy of vetting said facts?

Thanks, @Typo for making this post.

To start, I'd say take out the 'All Caps' rule from #2. Reddit had a bad habit of deleting rather important posts that either simply contained acronyms or used exact titles from the article which happened to have even a single word with all caps.

"No Image Posts" - should be removed as screenshots alone can act as news. Instead, how about no memes if that's what you were going for? As long as it depicts news in any media format, it should be acceptable.

As someone who gets all my international news from here the 30 days period is just bad , not to mention that most of them are reposts . 10 days will be tolerable .