I've been on reddit since 2014 and really liked the voting system, as I felt it was a perfect way to discuss on a large scale. However, since then, I've noticed more and more censorships - always the same ideas making it to the top; few downvoted comments because any controversial content would immediately be deleted and its author banned. Obnoxious censoring of even slightly controversial ideas on subreddits that were supposed to be neutral (ELI5, iAmA, AskReddit, worldnews, news...). The obscurity of the voting system was also a big turn-off.
Then I discovered voat. I really like the idea of an open-source, reddit-like platform with no censorship and clear voting. The community, however, really, really seems to despise my kind (Jews). I'm okay with them expressing their ideas, because that's the whole point of this site. But I would like to know if there is any point is investing myself into this community, or if I will always end up being ostracized for what I am.
I value free speech, I'm a Christian, and I'm Jewish. Can we still be friends?
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Crensch ago
The only good Jews are the dead ones, and the unicorns that sterilize themselves, infiltrate and destroy their own kind, then gas themselves.
You know what your kind does, and you have the option of allowing it to continue, or supporting the one race that's most likely to get us off this rock before a global extinction event.
The holocaust was a hoax, and the number of people realizing this are growing exponentially.
Get fucked, kike.
TruthSeeker2 ago
I am German. My Grandma told me about her own experience. It was a horrible time. Why would she lie to me? My family is catholic not jewish. We have lived here for about a thousand years. So we are at least as German as anybody else. My greatgrandfather was even a mayor during the time. My grandfather on the other side was a Nazi soldier. And not just him. Other relatives of mine, too. But let me tell you: I have seen the historic site of a concentration camp. You can visit them today. I invite you.
Crensch ago
1) She's a woman.
2) She's related to you
3) Pity points, or importance/status points for being the old cunt in the room with the big life stories
1) I don't believe you.
2) I don't care.
3) If you're not Jewish, then you're a beta cuck faggot that can't even handle the smallest amount of questioning of the axioms of your life. You're an NPC-tier useful idiot.
How insanely irrelevant to anything, yet you bring it up as if it could lend weight to anything you have to say. Is this how arguments are won where you're from, kike?
Cucked, apparently. If you live in Germany, and are actually German, your ancestors fought and died for the land you are now handing over to sandniggers. How fucking pathetic.
So? Are you also a woman? I'm asking because you keep bringing up completely irrelevant shit. A major... in what?
Your great grandfather was a major... somewhere that is undisclosed by you, and your grandfather was a Nazi soldier. Right. Oh, and "other relatives of mine" that nobody seems to care about.
Let me guess, you're going to tell me that they told you all about the holocaust? The thing that it is illegal to question in many countries for some completely legitimate reason? Right.
So?
I've no reason to go and listen to kike lies about the ancestors of the current abortion of German people. Nazis were fucking heroes, and the allies fucked everything up.
TruthSeeker2 ago
Nobody watched us.
The problem is you don't care about the truth. So let me just link you to historic sources - even though I assume you are going to deny it anyway.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-that-proves-beyond-reasonable-doubt-that-the-Holocaust-occurred
If you don't want to read here's a picture: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Eb_E-jDZ3VM/V-l6NDeu5cI/AAAAAAAAAS4/7jt306M8xio8MJv6fJ8lby5lic5tnVicgCLcB/s1600/baumh.png
Crensch ago
This makes no sense in any context I can possibly think of here. Try again.
The problem is that I was force-fed the holocaust lie, and found out it was wrong. I'm sure enough that it's wrong to be just fine weathering the "looney conspiracy theorist" responses of normies around me.
Historic. Sources. Right.
http://archive.is/8HQFH#selection-703.4-707.377
Emphasis mine. A shit-tier QUORA (historic, my ass) response about one single admittedly tortured guy.
https://imgoat.com/uploads/369853df76/33486.png
Tells me nothing at all. One picture? BRAVO you absolute retard, you've managed to convince precisely no one of any part of the holocaust lie.
TruthSeeker2 ago
You have to read all of it. The second answer is by a professional historian and that's where the links to more sources are (a ton).
I'm far from it. In fact I like original thinking. But I'm an original thinker myself and the evidence seems to point very clearly in the direction of the holocaust having happened.
Crensch ago
Two. Two sources.
Jewishgen, "An affiliate of the MUSEUM OF JEWISH HERITAGE - A LIVING MEMORIAL TO THE HOLOCAUST" yeah, no bias there or anything.
Nobody would buy that as a source, faggot.
Second source? a wiki Literally can be edited by anyone. And no, I'm not going to go through and debunk an entire wiki because you hand-waved to it. I know you're going there, so I'm heading that off before you even try - attempting to hold me to that is a dishonest way to argue something.
You have serious context issues.
No, it doesn't.
Defend your lie of a holocaust, faggot. That entire submission was made for faggots like you to defend your stupid fantasy.
Go for it.
TruthSeeker2 ago
Just because it's on the same web site doesn't mean it's the same source. If you click one of the links there are more links to other sources and so on. But I'll help you. Here's a link to the original diaries of Joseph Goebbels - the right hand man of Hitler. He talks among other things about the holocaust in it. I assumed you'd find the German original more credible. But you can search for a translation or use google translate if you don't speak German.
http://www.1000dokumente.de/index.html/index.html?c=dokument_de&dokument=0118_gob&object=translation&l=de
No, you are a faggot! (Arguing like a 5-year-old: Check.)
Crensch ago
It's pretty dishonest of you to have me go from source to source to source when you're too lazy and pathetic to do so for your own argument. I could hand-wave you to google and say, "you're wrong, google it. YOU do the work to prove yourself wrong because I'm a lazy fuck that can't present my arguments with sound sources, you're just going to have to believe me!"
Oh, THANK YOU for HELPING ME since if you were even halfway honest, you'd have supported your claims instead of trying to foist the work onto me. If you're not a Jew, you sure as fuck act like one.
Yes, LET ME HELP YOU by linking ONE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED FORTY SIX WORDS that you can parse through to find support for my argument.
You dishonest. Fucking. Kike.
And no, there was no reference to the fucking holocaust, you liar.
Calling you a faggot has nothing to do with my argument, you fucking kike. It's not an argument at all, it's a label that fits you currently-living cucked Germans who are swallowing Jewish and sandnigger cock daily.
TruthSeeker3 ago
Well, linking to my own posts isn't a very reliable source either. Reliable sources tend to be longer than one sentence, sorry. Something I quickly managed to find in the diaries at least, is the following:
In English: The leader [Hitler] issued the command to incarcerate 2[5]000 to 30000 Jews immediately.
I can also recommend you the following book as I think you would believe Nazis more than anyone else: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_the_Third_Reich
Crensch ago
Nobody is refuting that Jews were incarcerated, you absolute fucking retard. Of course they were. What the fuck do you think the holocaust was supposed to be? Certainly not merely being incarcerated, you dishonest kike.
What a little bitch you are, strawmanning my position so you can knock it down easier. Is that the best you have?
You're admitting that you cannot support your own arguments.
"read this book cuz it says things i cannot say here because i am too stupid and ignorant of the subject matter to present them to you" <--- that's what your words seem to be saying
From. Your. Link. You. Dishonest. Prick.
Do you even know what a source is supposed to do? It's supposed to support the position you hold, not just cause the other party to be caught in an avalanche of bullshit that doesn't support your position.
"Hey, here's stupid-fuck-claim X and here's my SOURCE (that totally doesn't support stupid-fuck-claim X)"
That's more or less your presence here up to this point.
TruthSeeker3 ago
Well, I did say them but you wouldn't believe me. So I have to link to someone that you consider more credible than me.
Now you're just obviously lying. This is nowhere on the site. I searched it. This is ACTUALLY from the site:
AND there is a citation from Albert Speer.
Crensch ago
http://archive.is/QMEhw#selection-773.0-777.2
It's an archive of your fucking link, you lying kike. 3/4 of the way down the page, RIGHT UNDER " Controversy about the Holocaust and slave labor"
Do you want a fucking screenshot?
https://imgoat.com/uploads/369853df76/33499.png
You LYING. DISHONEST. KIKE.
TruthSeeker4 ago
So, you complain about expecting you to read a book and expect me to go through the complete version history of the Wikipedia article? It seems to be from 2015! I'm not even sure if I can believe you that it is in the version history from this dubious link to a internet archive clone. If it is, I'm pretty sure it was added by some Anti-Jew guy like you, who quickly captured it, before it was removed again because it is wrong and has no citation.
Crensch ago
YOU LINKED IT. It was YOUR FUCKING LINK you complete and utter retard. It's on YOU to understand and know your own sources.
Jesus fucking christ, are you a nigger? I've not seen this level of shitty reasoning in quite some time.
*idiot links to wikipedia
*idiot doesn't like link to wikipedia and accuses me of editing it
TruthSeeker4 ago
No it's not. I linked to the current article which has a citation of the book since you don't seem to want to read the book. But I no longer think you lied on intention. But you just view websites through archive.is for some reason. The current page looks like this: https://imgur.com/0PkEkda
Crensch ago
You linked to a wikipedia article. You don't like the fact that wikipedia can be edited. Time for you to accept responsibility.
You still don't understand why wikipedia isn't a good fucking source for something as politically charged as the holohoax.
Yeah, because I don't trust kikes to not hyperlink something under the link and get me to go to a phishing website or some shit..
You don't really get it, do you?
Even if my link was from a different edit of the fucking page, it was still just as legitimate as what you're linking me to.
Are people where you're from really stupid enough to not understand these kinds of things?
But even more importantly:
YOUR LINK ONLY SPEAKS ABOUT BAD WORKING CONDITIONS. NOT THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST CLAIM THAT HAS BEEN FORCED ON GERMANS AND AMERICANS BY KIKES FOR DECADES
TruthSeeker4 ago
Say about me what you want but you haven't provided a single piece of evidence for you're hypothesis that the holocaust didn't happen. While on the other hand, as far as I know, all professional historians, regardless of their country, agree that it did happen. And contrary to predicting the future, knowing about the past is quite achievable.
Crensch ago
The holocaust is the claim. The default is that nothing happened. I've offered you TWICE now, the opportunity to present what part(s) of the holocaust you think happened, and you've decided not to do so.
I don't believe this one fucking bit.
Of course it is, that's why you won't present what facet(s) of the holocaust you actually think happened. Hell, you can't even differentiate between labor camps and a mass genocide, given your comments here.
TruthSeeker4 ago
Holocaust means mass homocide, of course.
So the default thing is to assume there hasn't been any history at all? We have evidence for the holocaust but not for the opposite.
Na,na I don't believe this, I don't believe that. :-P Who cares what you believe? You're still wrong.
Crensch ago
Yet your supporting links only support labor camps. Why link them if they don't support your mass killing?
No, faggot. The default is that nothing of note happened. To ANY claim. Do you not even know basic logic? Do they not teach logic where you come from? It would make sense, since your entire presence here has been one seemingly drunken illogical lurch to the next.
No, you don't.
Apparently you don't understand how arguments work. If I don't believe your CLAIM, then it's on you to support your claim well enough to convince me that your CLAIM is correct.
I'd ask if you dropped out of school, but I'm starting to think you went to school for "Women's studies" or something.
You literally cannot even present a single claim about the Holocaust that you think you can support.
This ENTIRE TIME you haven't done so, so I, and anyone reading this would conclude that you cannot.
TruthSeeker4 ago
Whatever man, I already wasted my day on you. I could and should have done more productive things with it than trying to argue with a holocaust denialist and try to take him seriously. Obviously you don't have anything better to do than stay on voat.co all day, every day. So bye, I tried. I'm going back to ignoring you idiots. Have a nice life and try not to kill anybody!
Crensch ago
Not one claim about the holocaust will you present and defend. Not one.
Not even one claim about the holocaust. This is the level of confidence you have in your position. Not. One.
Not. One.
Can't present and defend even ONE claim of the holocaust.