The term "meme" was coined by Dawkins in his book The Selfish Gene (1976), to describe something which was mental but had "genetic properties" of transmission and evolution.
It is still very strange that a video game from that year would ever refer to this usage of the term. Internet meme, as a term, came much later, certainly several years after 2000. Not only that, but the idea of a "Meme War"?
Yeah, you're right but it's the overarching theme of THE WORLD here, not merely talking about a communist nation dreaming of it happening elsewhere. So there's still something extra to it here - Deus Ex got it right and projected where the world was going to be in the future though.
I guess I don't know how communism was talked about in soviet russia or other communist nations like in asia.
Not to derail the conversation, but do you think those Asian places that went commie went commie because they were always communists and they were practicing it before it was modernized into what we know as communism?
In Marx's/Lenins writings it says that communism will only work if all of the world is subjugated to its rules. Soviet Union was always trying to spread, funding revolutionary groups all other the world. At one point they created organisation called "Comintern" which was meant to be like EU but for the whole world. Globalist capitalism does same thing by opening "free" markets abroad using organisations like IMF, WTO, UN, EU thus letting the flow of foreign cheap goods and workforce, and eventually walls crumble. Same goal, different approach.
Asians definitely have more collectivist and totalitarian tendencies. It was probably more easier for them to transition from absolute monarchy to communist totalitarianism. That being said, Commies in asia just like anywhere else were not direct extension of old monarchist system, they fought against them in civil wars. So it was not a straightforward transition by any means.
it was not a straightforward transition by any means.
I think this was only the case due to more advanced technology coming in and empowering people around the old system, which then meant that less powerful people could assume the throne, or at least had a shot at it (and they took it). Information travel was so slow back then (hell, even 70 years ago it wasn't fast enough IMO) even if the less powerful people were wrong, they were going to try anyways because they didn't know better.
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chirogonemd ago
The term "meme" was coined by Dawkins in his book The Selfish Gene (1976), to describe something which was mental but had "genetic properties" of transmission and evolution.
It is still very strange that a video game from that year would ever refer to this usage of the term. Internet meme, as a term, came much later, certainly several years after 2000. Not only that, but the idea of a "Meme War"?
MyOnlyAccount ago
Exactly.
Truthsayer9000 ago
Thats like an old communist utopia, also EU
MyOnlyAccount ago
Yeah, you're right but it's the overarching theme of THE WORLD here, not merely talking about a communist nation dreaming of it happening elsewhere. So there's still something extra to it here - Deus Ex got it right and projected where the world was going to be in the future though.
I guess I don't know how communism was talked about in soviet russia or other communist nations like in asia.
Not to derail the conversation, but do you think those Asian places that went commie went commie because they were always communists and they were practicing it before it was modernized into what we know as communism?
Truthsayer9000 ago
In Marx's/Lenins writings it says that communism will only work if all of the world is subjugated to its rules. Soviet Union was always trying to spread, funding revolutionary groups all other the world. At one point they created organisation called "Comintern" which was meant to be like EU but for the whole world. Globalist capitalism does same thing by opening "free" markets abroad using organisations like IMF, WTO, UN, EU thus letting the flow of foreign cheap goods and workforce, and eventually walls crumble. Same goal, different approach.
Asians definitely have more collectivist and totalitarian tendencies. It was probably more easier for them to transition from absolute monarchy to communist totalitarianism. That being said, Commies in asia just like anywhere else were not direct extension of old monarchist system, they fought against them in civil wars. So it was not a straightforward transition by any means.
MyOnlyAccount ago
I think this was only the case due to more advanced technology coming in and empowering people around the old system, which then meant that less powerful people could assume the throne, or at least had a shot at it (and they took it). Information travel was so slow back then (hell, even 70 years ago it wasn't fast enough IMO) even if the less powerful people were wrong, they were going to try anyways because they didn't know better.