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NotHereForPizza ago
Fill out a filteries and post it here.
http://filteries.com/politics
Here's mine. I'm curious if we'd be at all compatible.
7e62ce85 ago
Keep in mind that it was missing certain options which makes it a bit off in places.
For example it says the values of the Emergency Nation are "progressive multiculturalism" even though our constitution bans Muslims, marxists and feminists among others and even though our constitution will exile anyone that fails to contribute to society through either a small fixed tax or military/police service.
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NotHereForPizza ago
Firstly, just how developed is this? As I'm sure you're already aware (if this is serious), your nation is starting off in the negatives. As a heads up, people normally larp under ancap (which is more or less what you have here).
Secondly, did you fill this out to resemble what you've outlined in the constitution? Did you model the filteries after phase 1? Phase two seemed to me after my read that it was much more organized than this. For instance, you've indicated that pretty much all social liberties are unrestricted here. In phase two, these liberties would HAVE to be regulated.
Just to make sure we're on the same page here, my filteries would be a reasonable phase 3 and yours makes sense for phase 1 or 2ish, is this accurate?
Now for my criticisms of the "constitution.":
First off, a good bit of them are a little too vague.
20 Import and export taxes shouldn't be implemented? I'm still sort of green with economics, and I'd love some insight as to why you wouldn't tax imports nor exports.
21 Explain to me why you think patents or copyrights are a viable option for anyone in a capitalistic nation. I've always greatly disliked the general idea of them. I'm only curious here, don't get the wrong impression.
23 Why 14? I find 16 to be a very comfortable age. I'm just curious why you settled on 14 specifically. If I'm honest, it does seem a little low.
32 I think this should be higher.
41 This just seems unnecessary.
44 I can't get behind this at all. I think an explanation is also due here.
48 Women tend to make great judges. Women are easily manipulated, especially emotionally - you won't see me disagreeing with that. However, I'm not sure we shouldn't allow them to be judges. Again, I'm only curious why you insist they shouldn't be.
51 I would say abortions are allowed under almost all circumstances so long as it is in no way monetized.
57 Are you confusing prostitution for escorting? Streetwalking is degenerate as fuck. If they have to sign up for licensing to start a brothel or a individual escorting service, they'll be less likely to do it, and it being a personal choice will solidify which will likely enact a certain responsibility being felt in the situation. I definitely think this method is more responsible and it being more precise would likely make a world of difference.
70 I'd have to suggest a grace period of a couple weeks. If they genuinely just fucked up or had some sort of medical emergency, they shouldn't be punished for that for the first time.
70-73 These are needlessly redundant and it feels to me like it wouldn't help people take you seriously.
7e62ce85 ago
Indeed. This is not larping so I'm fine with alienating 99% of people. I have yet to see actionable plans from ancaps, but yes this is basically actionable ancap.
The rules are the same for all phases. Phases only refer to sovereignty status. This just means the rules can't actually be fully enforced until phase 3. Everything I filled out should correspond as closely to the constitution as possible.
The regulation comes from the free market and the absence of welfare. Irresponsible people would starve and/or get exiled.
1 All forced taxation creates a lot of harmful second and third order effects (just imagine men with guns running around checking every ship coming and going).
2 Basically all trade is good. Export means global currency with which specialty products can be bought. Import means getting real stuff for paper notes.
3 It is simply not necessary for the budget. The Emergency Nation focuses solely on police and military so almost no taxation is needed. What you are used to is all welfare for single moms and rapefugees.
They are not terribly important. The idea is to reward inventors for sharing their ideas. However such people are usually rewarded anyway in some way.
What is important is that the way I wrote the rule, patent holders must pay the party themselves and patent trolling is made impossible.
Because people already start having sex even earlier than that so why should our cops run around arresting all those poor teenage boys for "underage rape" and ruin their lives? Again it's not something I consider super important, but it is scientific fact that humans reach sexual maturity around age 12 and it is in line with the minimum age in many European nations.
Yeah probably. I wanted it to be higher, but all the fake rape allegations going around made me lower it. Keep in mind that if a person both assaulted and raped someone the sentences might be added together. So "regret rape" would be 2 years and "actual rape" would be 4-5 years if you look at it that way.
98% of sexually abused children are in state custody. Giving priority to parental rights over government busy-bodies is an absolute must.
Police parks an unlocked car. Perp steals car. Perp is guilty of a crime. Who cares if the police parked the car?
Not only that, but police using such tactics would be very efficient. Crime would end immediately and doors could be left unlocked and so on.
Male authority has been proven to work historically.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but who would pay people to abort their babies and what kind of shit mothers would do it for that reason?
All the same to me. The constitution punishes spreading disease (see 33 and 57) so that inherently requires the prostitutes to test for disease and require the same of their customers. That is the same a license would achieve.
Keep in mind they can re-enter if they find the money. Exile is not permanent.
The tax is less than 500$ per year or voluntary service. They should have savings or insurance to cover this. Their family could help. They could also take out a loan or sell some of their stuff. They could apply for charity. They could sign up for medical trials in return for free treatment and tax payment.
Quite frankly if none of that works they probably deserve the exiling.
Those are the most important parts of the entire constitution because these are the ways socialism takes over a nation and that is why they are repeated clearly.
Changing these would destroy the whole concept of the nation. No one would pay the tax or serve in the police/military to be a citizen because that wouldn't matter any more.
That would in turn lead to conscription or an income tax to replace that system.
The income tax would then grow and grow until the whole system collapsed from welfare spending - just like the West now or Rome ~1700 years ago.
I wish we had infinite ability to care for our fellow man, but we don't. Sooner or later we run out of resources and then nature, Darwin and death takes over and those guys do a lot more than exile.
NotHereForPizza ago
Didn't you want direct voting for executive, legislative, and judicial branch? No estate tax? State owns no land? You allow gender reassignment, and pay for it? Why are public embezzlement and obscenity unrestricted? No healthcare, science, construction, or agriculture provided by the state? Do you intend to implement anything above in a non-emergency situation?
Do you mean psychologically instead of physically? Do you know any teenage girls? They tend to differ drastically in many physical ways between 12 and 16.
Not only that, but police using such tactics would be very efficient. Crime would end immediately and doors could be left unlocked and so on.
Yeah, I just still think this will breed resentment in some cases. However, I see your point that if they make the crime, they should be punished and it shouldn't matter if some weird circumstances gave way to them doing so.
God, I know... But, after planned parenthood, I can see how this might be a problem in the future.
I guess we're at semantics now.
Oh.
I dunno, I still think 70 makes the others redundant. I can see your point though. Thanks for taking the time to explain all this. I'm really just curious.
7e62ce85 ago
People elect council members. Council members either preside over legal cases or if there are too many select judges to help them. The council can pass laws, but they are only valid until the next election and the constitution always comes first so there almost is no legislative branch.
Nothing in the constitution mentions direct voting on matters by all citizens.
Definitely not.
State funded organizations could own land like any other entity.
The way I understood that site those were rights/non-crimes. Since the constitution allows adult citizens to do with their own bodies as they please I filled out the form as I did. It would definitely be paid out of their own pockets though.
Mistake, should be jail time. (it would be theft)
You want to punish saying "fuck"?
The constitution does call for exile of socialists and so on, but exile was not an option and its not really an obscenity. As I said the site didn't really have all options necessary to describe our constitution.
Private sector would provide all of those. The name Emergency Nation is perhaps poorly chosen. It's more a representation of the simplicity of the system than its transience. The constitution is meant to be permanent.
Other ideologies, rules and systems should be tested as their own nations.
I know I have heard 14-15 year olds talking about how much dick they are getting. I can't tell you what the right age is. All I can say is I set it low to avoid locking up people for consensual sex.
The police would still have to get a judge to rule 'guilty'. If for example you picked up a purse to take it to lost-and-found I doubt any judge would consider that enough evidence for theft. If he did that resentment should have consequences the following election.
True. Which is a good thing I guess. One real difference though is that a regulated license would require an entire department to administrate. Holding people accountable through the existing legal system is effectively "free".
Yeah maybe that should be made more clear... I mean people are naturally soft hearted so I kind of think it will be fine.. I will update it.
I really appreciate it a lot! Thanks for taking the time you did!
NotHereForPizza ago
It does about voting for executives, but I see what you mean now. I seemed to have lumped in legislative and judicial.
I guess I just don't see an issue with state owning the land citizens reside upon, epically if they're being defended. Either way, I can certainly see a valid argument for states not taxing property owners.
I was just going off of the filteries for the first paragraph of stuff.
Your confusion is valid, don't get me wrong. But, I think that section was for crimes, and the dropbox there (if I remember correctly) is about what privileges are funded. Just don't quote me on that.
I had a feeling.
Fair enough. I suppose when I think of obscenities, I don't just think of "bad words." Either way, I never meant to take a position on any of this the entire time. If I hadn't already made that clear enough to you, my mistake. I'm only curious about your positions.
I think we might've reached another semantics issue.
I did an even bigger "OH" here. Maybe I saw "emergency" the other day and that just stuck with me the whole time. As I assume you can already tell, I was under the impression that some of this was temporary (and that maybe you were planning on implementing other things like the ones listed at a later time), as you've touched on. I think this is starting to make a little more sense.
Frankly, this seems like a bad apples argument. But, I do see your point. Despite saying I never meant to take positions, this is the one where I think you're being a little liberal (don't really mean the political definition here) with the numbers.
7e62ce85 ago
We might be talking past each other here. Emergency Nation land would ultimately be owned and controlled by the government in the sense that landowners can't for example switch allegiance to another country.
However aside from sovereignty status private property rights would be protected under the constitution.
As I understood the form "Region autonomy" meant you could go where you want inside the nation.. I realize now it probably referred to how autonomous sub-states/regions would be. The Emergency Nation would have no sub regions other than whatever the local court house was.
Keep in mind that just because something is not punishable with jail time doesn't make it moral. I'm sure most parents would agree with you and raise their children to focus on school and/or get married before having sex. Especially because without a welfare state there are dire consequences to fucking around.
NotHereForPizza ago
Yep.
Fair enough.