If I go into a book shop and found "Jews did 9/11" in the fiction section, you don't just burn the book. You pick that motherfucker up and put it where it belongs.
There is no "this post has been moved to x sub". There should be a "move to" mod control rather than delete.
Very true, and the downvotes on your topic illustrates the subversive group of people that have infiltrated voat and are trying to use our own freedoms against us.. It mimics the strategy used by islamists to use the freedoms of the west to take it down piece by piece.
People who like politics can go to the relevant subverse. Those who like awww stuff go to /aww. You get the picture.
I saw an unfunny post on v/funny. (It must be unfunny because I don't think it is funny and people go to v/funny to find funny things). I deleted the post and banned the user. This wasn't censorship; it was [buzzword that means censorship].
It is absolutely clear there is no way that this is a slippery slope. And no way that this an avenue for undue manipulation of content by external parties. No way.
Do you browse any subverses or just the front page? People who browse /aww see the gore and think appropriate v/aww posts should be on the front page of v/aww.
If you just want to see politics browse v/politics. How would you feel if you were browsing v/politics (or whatever subverse you come to voat for) and it was full of cute kittens? Would that not be much worse than seeing lots of kittens on the general front page?
Gerbils annoyed me because I don't think they're cute, bit that's just my opinion (some people don't like the cute snakes that are posted occasionally) but I didn't up or downvoat them, just ignored them - and I browse v/aww.
I think I'm going to write a post about this to v/whatever but I think the v/whatever posting culture might be the real problem here.
Voat is free speech because verses arent getting removed. Whats within those verses are free to those who moderate them. This is accounted by having transparency on what gets removed.
Good curation should lead people to reflect upon things and get to participate in what is going around others. Censorship is something the Jews do because they usually do not want people to see certain things and in the while they destroy culture.
I don't really agree with you. I want people to be able to post what they want, when they want. The only thing I'll allow is stuff like gore pics or porn should be marked NSFW.
Frankly voat is pissing me off with shit mods again.
@7e62ce85, this faggot banned me from some gay sub because he didn't like my posts. He's just as bad as any of these other faggot reddit mods but because you guys probably agree with ideologically none of you would care. And that's you lose freedom. By failing to defend it. We've all gotten a clinic on that in our lifetimes. We've all seen freedom destroyed because nobody would fight.
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Frankly voat is pissing me off with shit mods again.
Make a subverse then.
@7e62ce85, this faggot banned me from some gay sub because he didn't like my posts
I have been called a faggot, pedo, larp and other things without banning people for it, but promote socialism and according to our constitution I MUST ban you.
And that's you lose freedom. By failing to defend it.
Allowing socialists etc. is how you lose freedom. Dropping them out of helicopters IS how you defend freedom.
Socialists don't respect freedom and your ideology is fundamentally incompatible with it. Why then should you have freedom?
Go fuck yourself you nigger. This is voat. I don't have to tolerate your faggy little toxic mod behaviors. I don't give a goddamned what your stupid and pathetic reasons are. Your a petty little faggot who can only get by in discussion by shutting down the TRUTH.
Your as bad as the MSM, your as bad as a reddit mod. You eat wormy shit and you die motherfucker.
It depends on if your an american and believe in freedom of speech or not. All my life little shitsucking assholes have been squelching conversations and ideas. And the reason they do it is to promote and advance their own ideas and agendas. So ultimately the fight for the conversation is itself the very fight for freedom to live and be as you choose. Taking away my voice is absolutely a violent act for which I wish to god I could retaliate in fucking kind.
I will not. I will not denounce socialism for your petty entertainment and enjoyment. I absolutely fucking refuse you nigger! This is just another attempt of yours to control the conversation and deny me my goddamned rights.
Listen, I don't want to talk to you about this. Here's how it is gonna do down. I'm going to do what I can to see you called out and named for the faggot censor that you are.
Furthermore, if you are in the pacific northwest area I officially challenge you to a duel. Obviously not to the death. I'm willing to have the whole thing recorded and youtubed. We can make this challenge as civil as possible. But I want your fucking blood. You were the last straw you sniveling little bitch.
Just buy a ticket to Venezuela and die sucking Maduro's dick while his army penetrates you with bayonettes. Fucking piece of shit. Create /v/iamasocialistfaggot and ban everyone that has an inch of a brain from there and be happy shitposting about whathever the fuck you want. Holy fuck how dense can you be, is for people like you that countries go to ruin and million starve and die. Yes, I'm fucking mad.
Your question is to simple. You are basically asking me to choose between buckets without telling me what is inside. Without the reasons and nuance behind the situation to give it necessary context your vague and plain hypothetical is pointless.
I have a first amendment right to freedom of speech. I'm on a website that wholly endorses that right. We all came here for this one specific freedom. Anyone who violates that freedom is my enemy and goddamn yes I am ready to start fucking those pieces of shit up.
....Yes, this is supposed to be the new Reddit. Or more accurately, the new Usenet, which is what Reddit used to be.
Different communities for different topics, and no ideological browbeating, banning of subverses, or preemptive banning from subverses for having prevoiusly posted in other subverses that the moderators don't approve of. This is what Reddit used to be, and what Voat has been attempting to be since it's inception.
The difference between people like me and the pro-censorship crowd is I truly don't care if there are racist or anti-Semitic subverses. My own commitment to the concept of free speech means they have every right to exist, and people have every right to post on them. I just don't think people of that POV should "own" the entire website, any more than the censorious far left should Reddit.
If the forum is for a particular purpose, which all in attendance agree, cant you simply rely on those in attendance to downvote the "offender", rather then deleting their opinion?
Careful, anyone who points that out gets mass downvoated. You aren't allowed to point out obvious upvoat farming or else they will claim you an alt of the single gore spammer and downvoated into oblivion.
Do you also think that driving on the wrong side of the road is a good idea, because someone telling you to drive on the right side is authoritarian?
Subverses exist. They categorize content. This helps the site function and remain fit for purpose. There are no good reasons to post gore in /v/aww. Only bad ones.
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dont have patience to search and see wtf is that curation shit.. and tbh dont care either... what u mfs didnt understood that technically u cant remove gore from aww... cause in its essence aww is something likable and some ppl from there might like dismembered cats... but u can remove aww from gore cause gore is specifically a place where wounds deaths and wtf are a must... this is what retarded shitpanted socialists didnt got it...
What subverse does hittler petting his dog go in? How about horse with a boner? I agree with absurdlyobfuscateds current plan of flagging nsfw content.
If I'm wrong, then by all means convince me and I will thank you for it.
Please explain how redirecting gore to a subverse meant for gore instead of letting it clutter a subverse not meant for gore amounts to "powermodding" or "censorship". Why bother having subverses if we cannot keep them on topic?
I don't want powermods. But I do want sub rules that maintain that certain subs are for certain types of content. It would be nice if the community respected that
They're just complaining because they like posting literal shit. That's... special. I'm one of the worst shitposters on Voat but even I know shit posts in shitposting subverses. System subs are off limits. Non system subs can be blocked, system sub cannot.
Here I'll call in an greater shitposter than myself, the legendary @dial_indicator. He'll agree, system subs are off limits. Whole freedom system breaks down.
So when people say "that's forum sliding!" what they are actually saying is they think the content they post is more important and that other subverses don't have the right to be popular and dethrone their topic from the front page.
No.
That might have been true if this was happening organically. That is, if high quality cutesy content started being posted to /v/aww out of the blue, and the community suddenly developed an interest in high quality cutesy content, and started upvoting it because it is high quality and cute and they like it. But that's not what's happening, is it?
First of all, most of the spam from gabara et al is generic, low resolution junk with reddit-tier baby-talk titles a la "super dooper pupper pooper". This is not high quality content by any measure. It isn't even cute. It is entirely useless garbage and a complete waste of space. much like the people posting it
Secondly, by their own admission, the reason they are posting and upvoting it isn't because they find it interesting or think it is good. The excuse they use to justify it is that "it's meant to offset the gore spam". This is nonsensical for multiple reasons:
The gore is spam and should be removed.
Combating spam with spam of a different sort is retarded.
Upvoting junk just because you didn't like some other unrelated junk is retarded.
The gore was already being downvoated to hell and barely anyone saw it or was affected by it.
The trashy pseudo-aww spam has been far more disruptive than the gore spam it's supposedly "fighting" against.
This whole fiasco just highlights a major ideological weakness in Voat culture.
People's blind refusal to accept what is right in front of them here, because it conflicts with their overly simplistic dogma, is reminiscent of the "refugees welcome" lemmings cheering on their doom because "helping is nice" and "being mean is bad" with no regard for context or consequences.
No, flooding v/aww is literally a coordinated attack on Voat since it demonizes us. They did that with the Gab.ai takedown. This means that for every gore post made to v/aww, the Voat community has no choice but to counter it with 10 aww posts. If you want the volume of cute posts to go down and stop showing up on the front page, you need to stop posting gore. if you like photos of cute animals, then by all means keep posting gore.
I have /Aww blocked but I am not subscribed to anything. So I see /aww on /new and /all. Even if I block /aww users I will still see them on new and all.
Aww is spam.
Free speech has limits.
(((wiki))) has this on the limits of free speech
Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury.
I think that the Gore should not be removed. unless it is illegal and could be used to take down voat.
I'd go so far as to say that the only things I've really seen removed are posts that are completely antithetical to the topic of the sub; most notably the removal of gore from v/aww.
The whole reason Voat has different subverses is for the efficient organization of content. That's not censorship.
how dare you enforce arbitrary standards on people! I happen to think that prostates getting pounded are super appropriate for v/awww, nothing like a glazed donut to start your day. Don't get me started on how adorable knobs being slobbed are.
I must have you confused with someone else. I think it's still censorship if someone uses their free speech to to censor others. Like people flooding a subverse with content that is not appropriate to that subverse.
This is true. I'm not a fan of aww posts, but I can always go browse a sub. In fact when people did browse subs in the beginning of voat we had amazing things going on.
I agree that those examples are not censorship but I'm not a fan of the idea that curation is not censorship in all cases because curation is often used as the guise for real censorship.
Removing off topic material from an on topic sub is not censorship. Following arbitrary rules on a smaller sub is not censorship. Reasonable and minimalist rules for a larger sub is not censorship.
it's a pretty name for censorship, but it's still censorship.
having said that, it's pretty clear that gore posts don't belong in v/aww so you should censor that shit.
it's okay to have boundaries and say, "this thing doesn't go here, so we removed it." it's not okay to say, "we're not censoring stuff, we're curating stuff." because that gives other people permission to do that to anything.
just remove stuff that doesn't belong and explain why. people will understand.
So when people say "that's forum sliding!" what they are actually saying is they think the content they post is more important and that other subverses don't have the right to be popular and dethrone their topic from the front page.
Or they're saying that they think they should have more of a say and their vote have more weight than others'. Well said.
I agree. But a system subverse should not be curated, it should leave it up to the community to decide what gets up or down voted. If this were my own subverse then I would curate it with a minimal set of rules that would prohibit anti-aww content like gore, porn, and gross stuff - never with a bunch of highly subjective rules open to interpretation like on reddit, though. I more or less take on the role of a janitor here.
Yup, and keeping subverses on topic is beneficial to the verse. Voat users already get tons of redpills, yet the mad redpill spreaders can't help by post in v/aww, or v/theunexplained, etc...
Here is the true problem. Y'all and your God damn 4th grade girls images need not be on an adult website... And y'all adults doin this aww bs need to have your heads examined.. and y'all can fucking live with this bs not being on All. Now put on your 4th grade girls panties and grow the fuck up!! That will stop anyone from posting gore in pretty little shit hole.
For the record. Keep your shitty childish shit off all. Keep your shit hole sub but keep it off all. Till is is not in all. Expect more bullshit from the people that you all in aww procure. Fucking idiots.
Quite literally. Got decapitated by ISIS? No problem, just mount your severed head to a tank and connect the nerve endings to the PCB (windows powered).
I couldn't have said it better. The accounts crying about censorship are the same ones posting the gore so it's clear it's just dodge their doing. Their real intention is to demonize Voat's user base as inhuman. They want even our cute post section to be full of violent gore. Best way to shut us down.
That is not their real intention. Gore is not illegal in any way, and plenty of websites hosts gore without any troubles at all. If they wanted to get voat shut down, they would use the anti-semitic and racist posts or comments to shut us down, which are actually illegal in some countries.
Most likely their intention is to punish or demoralize the posters such as gabara who continuously post on /aww. I'm not sure why you are claiming this is their intention, perhaps it is to make the gore posters seem as if they are wrong for not wanting lots of /aww posts on the front page, even though everyone is free to vote however they please and free to want whatever they want on the front page, although the methods they used were wrong.
Ehhh... Its a case by case basis. Ive got no problem with gore being removed. I think that falls under Severly off topic. But if ya start removing comments I think your a fucking kike.
Off topic while legitimate can be a slippery slope however. But doesnt mean it should never be used.
I think its safe to say Gore submissions in /v/awww are off topic.
I see. It's a difficult subject, because it is a subverse dedicated to hating fat people, but I'm not sure what the line between staying on topic to hating fat people and censoring people for disagreeing would be. If they don't ban people, it's possible that they get drowned out by people who hate what they say, but if they do they are censoring people. This isn't a site where everyone has an equal say after all, the voting system is weighted towards existing users to upvoat content they agree with and downvoat content they disagree with, and new users or people with unpopular opinions may never get enough ccp to downvoat or upvoat.
They wouldn't be drowned out on voat. Hell, they wern't even drowned out on REDDIT.
They just like a nice safe space to push an uncontested narrative they find comforting. Which is fine. But if they are going to censor they should be CCP restricted so posts from that sub never make it to the front of /v/all.
If anything, I think that Voat has the opposite problem. Too many people tend to dump posts into /v/whatever, when that's really not the correct forum for most posts.
...like I don't mind if a teenager with AD/HD dumps a post there because they're just trying to express themself, but generally people should figure out the correct forum to file their post in.
But it would be incredibly helpful if we did have something like that. Recategorizing content rather than removing is standard on other types of forums.
Am I out of the loop? I thought the issue with this place is that you can easily earn ccp without getting your hands dirty. Or is this referencing that other sub?
I'm (pleasantly) surprised you're agreeing with me here. I really don't like your counter-spam campaign. It's more disruptive than the initial gore spam (that I didn't even notice until I saw your "counter-spam"). Makes me suspect your intentions.
I'm listening. You'll note some people complained about the "doggo" and "pupper" talk so I stopped. I also stopped using my full 10 posts per day, even though that would be perfectly within the rules. And the last several days of my Gerbil standoff I posted all at once to just get it over with. I am a reasonable monster.
I have a hard time seeing the point of doing it at all.
Downvoating the gore spam, that makes sense. Doesn't belong here. Clearly spam that should be removed. Really, it's a failure of administration that it isn't simply deleted.
But what does spamming and front paging mediocre rodent porn accomplish? You're doing far more to disrupt normal operation of the site than the spammer could have hoped for by himself.
Hell, if you really want to bury his spam with something positive that actually fits this site, why not cute white babies and children? Perhaps with some proud mothers and fathers in the shot.
Yeah, I remember seeing that and facepalming, thinking "now it will never stop".
I'm all for more positive and constructive content. We focus too much on the negative. It's important to criticize and tear down the bad, of course. But it's not enough by itself. You also have to bring people together and energize them to build new things and create something good.
I just don't think cute animal porn is quite the right image or frequency to tune into.
Smarpan ago
Welcome to voat. The land of free speech
Captain_Faggot ago
That's not curation you gimp.
If I go into a book shop and found "Jews did 9/11" in the fiction section, you don't just burn the book. You pick that motherfucker up and put it where it belongs.
There is no "this post has been moved to x sub". There should be a "move to" mod control rather than delete.
obvious-throwaway- ago
More Jew trickery. Fucking Kikes.
Zenogias ago
Very true, and the downvotes on your topic illustrates the subversive group of people that have infiltrated voat and are trying to use our own freedoms against us.. It mimics the strategy used by islamists to use the freedoms of the west to take it down piece by piece.
BUTTHOLE__EMPRESS ago
hard to think of something more obvious
but I suspect you had to post this to be clear :(
Pointyball ago
You don’t get to decide what is gore and what is aww. When you think you do you become a censor.
think- ago
Great post, thank you.
@absurdlyobfuscated
HorseIsDead ago
The forum refers to the whole website/board... the sections within are called sections/forum sections.
Thereunto ago
I saw an unfunny post on v/funny. (It must be unfunny because I don't think it is funny and people go to v/funny to find funny things). I deleted the post and banned the user. This wasn't censorship; it was [buzzword that means censorship].
It is absolutely clear there is no way that this is a slippery slope. And no way that this an avenue for undue manipulation of content by external parties. No way.
Goering ago
Bingo bango
GoldShekelSteinBerg ago
Why not auto move the gore from v/aww to v/gore, that way it doesn't need to be deleted.
PoundMe2 ago
Ok. What about CCP?
wt1984yb ago
Yep. Awww spam to front page is an attack by you fags. No censorship
wt1984yb ago
Shut up
toobaditworks ago
If those idiots didn't start a group to brigade the frontpage with /v/aww posts I would have never had to post any pics of Al Gore.
15648257? ago
Do you browse any subverses or just the front page? People who browse /aww see the gore and think appropriate v/aww posts should be on the front page of v/aww.
If you just want to see politics browse v/politics. How would you feel if you were browsing v/politics (or whatever subverse you come to voat for) and it was full of cute kittens? Would that not be much worse than seeing lots of kittens on the general front page?
toobaditworks ago
Well the problem is that we aren't seeing the good content that used to be on the front page. Kittens would be great but it was all gerbils.
15653795? ago
Gerbils annoyed me because I don't think they're cute, bit that's just my opinion (some people don't like the cute snakes that are posted occasionally) but I didn't up or downvoat them, just ignored them - and I browse v/aww.
I think I'm going to write a post about this to v/whatever but I think the v/whatever posting culture might be the real problem here.
gabara ago
Slow.
slickleg64 ago
Voat is free speech because verses arent getting removed. Whats within those verses are free to those who moderate them. This is accounted by having transparency on what gets removed.
hisuiiro ago
Kind of like saying that not selling lipstick at the used car lot is boycotting lipstick. That's not where you buy fucking lipstick
Shartdownunder ago
That is their plan.
xenoPsychologist ago
guess someone thinks that subverses need diversity.
captainstrange ago
They're crying about forum sliding so that when they themselves engage in it later on no one will call them out on it because of purity spiraling.
This is just a variation on the jew crying out as he strikes you.
Sosacms ago
What? You don't like having 100 different subverses for the same red pill content?
Walk1 ago
Good curation should lead people to reflect upon things and get to participate in what is going around others. Censorship is something the Jews do because they usually do not want people to see certain things and in the while they destroy culture.
Landrictree ago
And here we go.
mralexson ago
How the hell is this controversial? No shit you have to stay on topic
dontforgetaboutevil ago
I don't really agree with you. I want people to be able to post what they want, when they want. The only thing I'll allow is stuff like gore pics or porn should be marked NSFW.
Frankly voat is pissing me off with shit mods again.
@7e62ce85, this faggot banned me from some gay sub because he didn't like my posts. He's just as bad as any of these other faggot reddit mods but because you guys probably agree with ideologically none of you would care. And that's you lose freedom. By failing to defend it. We've all gotten a clinic on that in our lifetimes. We've all seen freedom destroyed because nobody would fight.
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7e62ce85 ago
Make a subverse then.
I have been called a faggot, pedo, larp and other things without banning people for it, but promote socialism and according to our constitution I MUST ban you.
Allowing socialists etc. is how you lose freedom. Dropping them out of helicopters IS how you defend freedom.
Socialists don't respect freedom and your ideology is fundamentally incompatible with it. Why then should you have freedom?
dontforgetaboutevil ago
Go fuck yourself you nigger. This is voat. I don't have to tolerate your faggy little toxic mod behaviors. I don't give a goddamned what your stupid and pathetic reasons are. Your a petty little faggot who can only get by in discussion by shutting down the TRUTH.
Your as bad as the MSM, your as bad as a reddit mod. You eat wormy shit and you die motherfucker.
7e62ce85 ago
I don't care about "winning or losing" discussions.
If you are willing to denounce socialism publicly and in strong terms I can lift the ban.
dontforgetaboutevil ago
I'd rather cut off your head than give you my freedom of speech.
7e62ce85 ago
So to you freedom of speech is the freedom to promote anti-freedom?
Sorry I'm not the kind of tolerant idiot that tolerates intolerance.
dontforgetaboutevil ago
You are the motherfucker who is taking away freedom, not me.
Native ago
Let me pose you a hypothetical,
What's more toxic cutting off someone's head because you disagree with them or banning you from a thread because they disagree with your views?
dontforgetaboutevil ago
It depends on if your an american and believe in freedom of speech or not. All my life little shitsucking assholes have been squelching conversations and ideas. And the reason they do it is to promote and advance their own ideas and agendas. So ultimately the fight for the conversation is itself the very fight for freedom to live and be as you choose. Taking away my voice is absolutely a violent act for which I wish to god I could retaliate in fucking kind.
7e62ce85 ago
Promoting socialism is a violent act as it leads to death, I am merely defending myself and my people ;)
dontforgetaboutevil ago
I wasn't promoting socialism I was attacking the CIA you ridiculous little cretin.
7e62ce85 ago
Then:
Rant about the CIA as you like. (although it begs the question why this omnipotent CIA doesn't just wreck China, Russia or any other US enemy)
dontforgetaboutevil ago
I will not. I will not denounce socialism for your petty entertainment and enjoyment. I absolutely fucking refuse you nigger! This is just another attempt of yours to control the conversation and deny me my goddamned rights.
7e62ce85 ago
dontforgetaboutevil ago
You have no jurisdiction.
Listen, I don't want to talk to you about this. Here's how it is gonna do down. I'm going to do what I can to see you called out and named for the faggot censor that you are.
Furthermore, if you are in the pacific northwest area I officially challenge you to a duel. Obviously not to the death. I'm willing to have the whole thing recorded and youtubed. We can make this challenge as civil as possible. But I want your fucking blood. You were the last straw you sniveling little bitch.
kmccormick ago
Just buy a ticket to Venezuela and die sucking Maduro's dick while his army penetrates you with bayonettes. Fucking piece of shit. Create /v/iamasocialistfaggot and ban everyone that has an inch of a brain from there and be happy shitposting about whathever the fuck you want. Holy fuck how dense can you be, is for people like you that countries go to ruin and million starve and die. Yes, I'm fucking mad.
dontforgetaboutevil ago
You think you can give me orders you cunt?
Native ago
You didn't answer the hypothetical
dontforgetaboutevil ago
Your question is to simple. You are basically asking me to choose between buckets without telling me what is inside. Without the reasons and nuance behind the situation to give it necessary context your vague and plain hypothetical is pointless.
I have a first amendment right to freedom of speech. I'm on a website that wholly endorses that right. We all came here for this one specific freedom. Anyone who violates that freedom is my enemy and goddamn yes I am ready to start fucking those pieces of shit up.
videocodec ago
Just take the aww crap off the front page
RadialSkid ago
....Or just subscribe to the subverses you like and get updates specifically on those.
Voat needs to grow beyond just a bunch of edgelords circle-jerking over HERPA DERPA JEWS AND NIGGERS.
Shartdownunder ago
Is this your new reddit or something?
RadialSkid ago
....Yes, this is supposed to be the new Reddit. Or more accurately, the new Usenet, which is what Reddit used to be.
Different communities for different topics, and no ideological browbeating, banning of subverses, or preemptive banning from subverses for having prevoiusly posted in other subverses that the moderators don't approve of. This is what Reddit used to be, and what Voat has been attempting to be since it's inception.
The difference between people like me and the pro-censorship crowd is I truly don't care if there are racist or anti-Semitic subverses. My own commitment to the concept of free speech means they have every right to exist, and people have every right to post on them. I just don't think people of that POV should "own" the entire website, any more than the censorious far left should Reddit.
Low_Paid_Porno_Noob ago
You are not the boss of me. Gore is adorable and makes me go aww.
blackwithhiv ago
If the forum is for a particular purpose, which all in attendance agree, cant you simply rely on those in attendance to downvote the "offender", rather then deleting their opinion?
KarateCowboy ago
if 'gore post' means what I think what it means -- in the context of aww..... Some people do not deserve to exist...
Shame on you. You evil, wretched, sub-human monsters.
Shartdownunder ago
It's a deliberate front to counteract V/aww orchestrated spamming of content to the front page.
100+ upvotes with no comments in some cases is suspicious as fuck.
Mittermeyer ago
Careful, anyone who points that out gets mass downvoated. You aren't allowed to point out obvious upvoat farming or else they will claim you an alt of the single gore spammer and downvoated into oblivion.
22trilionAsecond ago
Yep. Thinking about it I am glad the blocking system didn’t work. I do wish every thing showed up on /new al /all
Is there a way to show everything on /new
Glory_Beckons ago
Do you also think that driving on the wrong side of the road is a good idea, because someone telling you to drive on the right side is authoritarian?
Subverses exist. They categorize content. This helps the site function and remain fit for purpose. There are no good reasons to post gore in /v/aww. Only bad ones.
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gabara ago
Killshot!
SparkS ago
dont have patience to search and see wtf is that curation shit.. and tbh dont care either... what u mfs didnt understood that technically u cant remove gore from aww... cause in its essence aww is something likable and some ppl from there might like dismembered cats... but u can remove aww from gore cause gore is specifically a place where wounds deaths and wtf are a must... this is what retarded shitpanted socialists didnt got it...
SparkS ago
btw.. if in description would say no gore than thats censorship cause gore would be an extention a sub unit of aww...
keksupreme ago
wow the kikes are trying to censor, i mean curate, boat again.
typical kike insanity
15637181? ago
What subverse does hittler petting his dog go in? How about horse with a boner? I agree with absurdlyobfuscateds current plan of flagging nsfw content.
capnflummox ago
Nope. It's still censorship.
Glory_Beckons ago
If I'm wrong, then by all means convince me and I will thank you for it.
Please explain how redirecting gore to a subverse meant for gore instead of letting it clutter a subverse not meant for gore amounts to "powermodding" or "censorship". Why bother having subverses if we cannot keep them on topic?
weezkitty ago
I don't want powermods. But I do want sub rules that maintain that certain subs are for certain types of content. It would be nice if the community respected that
gabara ago
They're just complaining because they like posting literal shit. That's... special. I'm one of the worst shitposters on Voat but even I know shit posts in shitposting subverses. System subs are off limits. Non system subs can be blocked, system sub cannot. Here I'll call in an greater shitposter than myself, the legendary @dial_indicator. He'll agree, system subs are off limits. Whole freedom system breaks down.
i_scream_trucks ago
The kinds of people this needs to explained to are the sorts of people that already know but don't give a fuck.
Glory_Beckons ago
No.
That might have been true if this was happening organically. That is, if high quality cutesy content started being posted to /v/aww out of the blue, and the community suddenly developed an interest in high quality cutesy content, and started upvoting it because it is high quality and cute and they like it. But that's not what's happening, is it?
First of all, most of the spam from gabara et al is generic, low resolution junk with reddit-tier baby-talk titles a la "super dooper pupper pooper". This is not high quality content by any measure. It isn't even cute. It is entirely useless garbage and a complete waste of space. much like the people posting it
Secondly, by their own admission, the reason they are posting and upvoting it isn't because they find it interesting or think it is good. The excuse they use to justify it is that "it's meant to offset the gore spam". This is nonsensical for multiple reasons:
This whole fiasco just highlights a major ideological weakness in Voat culture.
People's blind refusal to accept what is right in front of them here, because it conflicts with their overly simplistic dogma, is reminiscent of the "refugees welcome" lemmings cheering on their doom because "helping is nice" and "being mean is bad" with no regard for context or consequences.
TheSeer ago
Yep, but if you speak against it you are accused of being a goreposter.
Shartdownunder ago
Well said mate.
FightKevinOwens ago
No, flooding v/aww is literally a coordinated attack on Voat since it demonizes us. They did that with the Gab.ai takedown. This means that for every gore post made to v/aww, the Voat community has no choice but to counter it with 10 aww posts. If you want the volume of cute posts to go down and stop showing up on the front page, you need to stop posting gore. if you like photos of cute animals, then by all means keep posting gore.
FuckYesJefferson ago
That's a very slippery slope nigger. First they came for the gore in faggy /awww and I said nothing because I don't give a shit.
gabara ago
As a Templar I am prohibited from loaning money to Jews.
gabara ago
Happy Hanukah!
22trilionAsecond ago
I have /Aww blocked but I am not subscribed to anything. So I see /aww on /new and /all. Even if I block /aww users I will still see them on new and all.
Aww is spam.
Free speech has limits.
(((wiki))) has this on the limits of free speech
Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury.
I think that the Gore should not be removed. unless it is illegal and could be used to take down voat.
if aww turns in to a gore sub then so be it.
FightKevinOwens ago
You're the one using all the Jew tactics in this thread. You're not as clever as you think you are.
MainFag ago
Wait, the former vp is not allowed to post to v/aww?
gabara ago
In fairness Manbearpig is not that cute.
fuckingmockies ago
I'd go so far as to say that the only things I've really seen removed are posts that are completely antithetical to the topic of the sub; most notably the removal of gore from v/aww.
The whole reason Voat has different subverses is for the efficient organization of content. That's not censorship.
0fsgivin ago
yah Off topic should be used rarely. But gore submissiond in V aww.. ok.
But Id say I draw the line at comments. Some guy wants to caps lock "I wanna fuck that puppy." Tough shit.
fuckingmockies ago
Agreed. Comments are sacrosanct.
nobslob ago
how dare you enforce arbitrary standards on people! I happen to think that prostates getting pounded are super appropriate for v/awww, nothing like a glazed donut to start your day. Don't get me started on how adorable knobs being slobbed are.
What were we talking about again?
TheWayIWalk ago
curate my dick
gabara ago
0/10
KillallFaggots ago
Make it so that it doesn't appear on all when blocked is all I care about.
WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI ago
If you want to download a neatly curated feed of content directly into your brain then voat is not for you.
gabara ago
So you're fine with cute v/aww content on the front page or are you going to be inconsistant?
WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI ago
If that's what people upvoat then that's what should be on the front page
gabara ago
I must have you confused with someone else. I think it's still censorship if someone uses their free speech to to censor others. Like people flooding a subverse with content that is not appropriate to that subverse.
fusir ago
This is true. I'm not a fan of aww posts, but I can always go browse a sub. In fact when people did browse subs in the beginning of voat we had amazing things going on.
I encourage you to browse a sub today.
fusir ago
I agree that those examples are not censorship but I'm not a fan of the idea that curation is not censorship in all cases because curation is often used as the guise for real censorship.
Removing off topic material from an on topic sub is not censorship. Following arbitrary rules on a smaller sub is not censorship. Reasonable and minimalist rules for a larger sub is not censorship.
Crackrocknigga ago
Sounds like some royal kikery to me. Noooo, can't have the GOYIM deciding content for themselves! MUST CURATE THE GOYIM!
gabara ago
Exactly as OP predicted. Thanks!
Crackrocknigga ago
Yeah because he's a toxic low testosterone faggot like you
Wargasm ago
you are mistaken.
curation is censorship.
it's a pretty name for censorship, but it's still censorship.
having said that, it's pretty clear that gore posts don't belong in v/aww so you should censor that shit.
it's okay to have boundaries and say, "this thing doesn't go here, so we removed it." it's not okay to say, "we're not censoring stuff, we're curating stuff." because that gives other people permission to do that to anything.
just remove stuff that doesn't belong and explain why. people will understand.
absurdlyobfuscated ago
Or they're saying that they think they should have more of a say and their vote have more weight than others'. Well said.
absurdlyobfuscated ago
I agree. But a system subverse should not be curated, it should leave it up to the community to decide what gets up or down voted. If this were my own subverse then I would curate it with a minimal set of rules that would prohibit anti-aww content like gore, porn, and gross stuff - never with a bunch of highly subjective rules open to interpretation like on reddit, though. I more or less take on the role of a janitor here.
Glory_Beckons ago
A janitor's job is to clean up filth and keep things working as intended.
You're actively refusing to do that.
gabara ago
We must accept the trash. Diversity is our strength!
Glory_Beckons ago
If you ban your enemies, they win! Open borders for gore posters!
gabara ago
You have to vote for it to find out what's in it!
gabara ago
@atko, was it your intention for v/aww to be full of gore posts?
progressbin ago
OMFG! Soooo cute!
Diggernicks ago
Needs more gore
o0shad0o ago
Yup, and keeping subverses on topic is beneficial to the verse. Voat users already get tons of redpills, yet the mad redpill spreaders can't help by post in v/aww, or v/theunexplained, etc...
gazillions ago
Let's be realistic. Gore posts are deliberate attacks. No one is required to sit on their ass through deliberate attacks.
TheSeer ago
What goreposts? Has a gorepost ever made the front page? Ever?
Mittermeyer ago
Nope, and it is just used as an excuse for them to upvoat farm.
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
Here is the true problem. Y'all and your God damn 4th grade girls images need not be on an adult website... And y'all adults doin this aww bs need to have your heads examined.. and y'all can fucking live with this bs not being on All. Now put on your 4th grade girls panties and grow the fuck up!! That will stop anyone from posting gore in pretty little shit hole.
gabara ago
Exactly as OP predicted. Thanks!!
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
Fuck in aww. Fuck niggers.
gabara ago
You don't log in a lot.
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
For the record. Keep your shitty childish shit off all. Keep your shit hole sub but keep it off all. Till is is not in all. Expect more bullshit from the people that you all in aww procure. Fucking idiots.
gabara ago
It's just you and your alts that feel that way. Check it: http://archive.is/rjOui
Mittermeyer ago
Funny how the faggot that uses v/aww as a way to upvoat farm with alts considers everyone who calls him out on it all alts of the same Goat.
gabara ago
How do you earn CCP from creating submissions, genius?
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
Aww damn...you think I'm goona start to give a shit.
gabara ago
No, but now you understand, I have encouragement from the creator god himself.
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
And I'm supposed to give a shit about you now. Wooptie Doo.
gabara ago
I am High Priest of Atko and @Expertshitposter is the high priest of THe Machine God
ExpertShitposter ago
@Meme_Factory_1776 is a boomer faggot. Praise machine god, even in death i serve the Omnissiah.
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
Hah your a funny faggot.
gabara ago
The Machine God saves
ExpertShitposter ago
Quite literally. Got decapitated by ISIS? No problem, just mount your severed head to a tank and connect the nerve endings to the PCB (windows powered).
gabara ago
REBIRTH!
Meme_Factory_1776 ago
Exactly I take a shit on the daily.and for your information it's a nice log unless.it hot wing nite
gabara ago
Your type worth shit. You're either from the third world or you're a butthurt little faggot.
inthemickoftime ago
I couldn't have said it better. The accounts crying about censorship are the same ones posting the gore so it's clear it's just dodge their doing. Their real intention is to demonize Voat's user base as inhuman. They want even our cute post section to be full of violent gore. Best way to shut us down.
CameraCode ago
That is not their real intention. Gore is not illegal in any way, and plenty of websites hosts gore without any troubles at all. If they wanted to get voat shut down, they would use the anti-semitic and racist posts or comments to shut us down, which are actually illegal in some countries. Most likely their intention is to punish or demoralize the posters such as gabara who continuously post on /aww. I'm not sure why you are claiming this is their intention, perhaps it is to make the gore posters seem as if they are wrong for not wanting lots of /aww posts on the front page, even though everyone is free to vote however they please and free to want whatever they want on the front page, although the methods they used were wrong.
gabara ago
0fsgivin ago
Ehhh... Its a case by case basis. Ive got no problem with gore being removed. I think that falls under Severly off topic. But if ya start removing comments I think your a fucking kike.
Off topic while legitimate can be a slippery slope however. But doesnt mean it should never be used.
I think its safe to say Gore submissions in /v/awww are off topic.
AR47 ago
They get a pass because it is a useless movement in the scheme of things, and to be honest I don't think a fight with them is worth it.
Do you remember how long and petty their childless was on Reddit when they were banned? It was biblical to say the least.
CameraCode ago
Why is FPH the greatest offender of censorship?
0fsgivin ago
Go to FPH say " I like thick girls" Say... "Wow you girls may have a point but your kinda dumb cunts." Lemme know how long ya last.
CameraCode ago
I see. It's a difficult subject, because it is a subverse dedicated to hating fat people, but I'm not sure what the line between staying on topic to hating fat people and censoring people for disagreeing would be. If they don't ban people, it's possible that they get drowned out by people who hate what they say, but if they do they are censoring people. This isn't a site where everyone has an equal say after all, the voting system is weighted towards existing users to upvoat content they agree with and downvoat content they disagree with, and new users or people with unpopular opinions may never get enough ccp to downvoat or upvoat.
0fsgivin ago
They wouldn't be drowned out on voat. Hell, they wern't even drowned out on REDDIT.
They just like a nice safe space to push an uncontested narrative they find comforting. Which is fine. But if they are going to censor they should be CCP restricted so posts from that sub never make it to the front of /v/all.
weezkitty ago
Kinda like when blacks Rob a store, threaten a cop and are like "didin do nuffin" when they're violently arrested.
Don't want to be treated like a nigger? Then don't act like a fucking nigger
belrial ago
Underrated comment there.
C_Corax ago
Didn't Voat used to have the mod option to just toss post over to whatever if they didn't belong in the sub?
andrew_jackson ago
If anything, I think that Voat has the opposite problem. Too many people tend to dump posts into /v/whatever, when that's really not the correct forum for most posts.
...like I don't mind if a teenager with AD/HD dumps a post there because they're just trying to express themself, but generally people should figure out the correct forum to file their post in.
NoTrueScotsman ago
I remember Atko talking about wanting to do it, but I didn't remember it being implemented.
heygeorge ago
No
absurdlyobfuscated ago
But it would be incredibly helpful if we did have something like that. Recategorizing content rather than removing is standard on other types of forums.
heygeorge ago
It’s not really deleted on Voat anyway. Maybe a secret Easter Egg on v/Aww can be the gore section!
weezkitty ago
Agree. It would solve the problem. No censorship and no posts in the wrong sub
C_Corax ago
I could have sworn it happened to one of my posts ages ago. Anyway, it would be a decent solution I think.
Chad88 ago
Am I out of the loop? I thought the issue with this place is that you can easily earn ccp without getting your hands dirty. Or is this referencing that other sub?
inthemickoftime ago
You don't earn ccp from posts.
Niggerfaggotjewkike ago
That depends on what you consider gore and what makes you say aww. Who are you to push your world view on me?
inthemickoftime ago
Can't take you seriously with that name.
Niggerfaggotjewkike ago
This isnt a serious website faggot.
FuckYesJefferson ago
Happy Hanukkah
WeekendBaker ago
It’s appropriate to the site, but perhaps the content he posts not always the best fit for the sub.
Glory_Beckons ago
Watch them brand you as a filthy SJW Fascist Crypto-Jew for making this distinction.
gabara ago
That's a common Jewish trick. Diversity is Strength, Israel is our Ally, Removing gore from a non-gore sub is Muh Censorship!
Glory_Beckons ago
I'm (pleasantly) surprised you're agreeing with me here. I really don't like your counter-spam campaign. It's more disruptive than the initial gore spam (that I didn't even notice until I saw your "counter-spam"). Makes me suspect your intentions.
gabara ago
I'm listening. You'll note some people complained about the "doggo" and "pupper" talk so I stopped. I also stopped using my full 10 posts per day, even though that would be perfectly within the rules. And the last several days of my Gerbil standoff I posted all at once to just get it over with. I am a reasonable monster.
Glory_Beckons ago
I have a hard time seeing the point of doing it at all.
Downvoating the gore spam, that makes sense. Doesn't belong here. Clearly spam that should be removed. Really, it's a failure of administration that it isn't simply deleted.
But what does spamming and front paging mediocre rodent porn accomplish? You're doing far more to disrupt normal operation of the site than the spammer could have hoped for by himself.
Hell, if you really want to bury his spam with something positive that actually fits this site, why not cute white babies and children? Perhaps with some proud mothers and fathers in the shot.
gabara ago
But I was doing good!
Glory_Beckons ago
Yeah, I remember seeing that and facepalming, thinking "now it will never stop".
I'm all for more positive and constructive content. We focus too much on the negative. It's important to criticize and tear down the bad, of course. But it's not enough by itself. You also have to bring people together and energize them to build new things and create something good.
I just don't think cute animal porn is quite the right image or frequency to tune into.
Diggernicks ago
Death to niglets that censor.
gabara ago
I don't think you took the time to read what you're commenting on.