We're saying goodbye to global restrictions based on SCP and CCP (announcements)

submitted ago by Atko

SCP and CCP no longer play any role in your ability do submit links/start discussions or vote. You can now downvote as soon as you create an account. Please note that you can only vote once from a single IP address (voting IP addresses are stored encrypted and we have no way to reverse this encryption). We are still tweaking this so please report if you notice anything unusual about voting.

Edit: The biggest reason for this change is that I noticed how multiple subverses had "please upvote me" threads where their members were able to gain 300+ CCP in matter of minutes. At the same time, regular users would need weeks or even months to reach this level. That essentially broke the old system and we need something new. Perhaps requiring new accounts to create 100 comments in 100 different subs before being able to vote 100 times? If you have an idea, please feel free to share it, I'm all ears.

Edit 2: Here is an example of the problem I am trying to tackle:

  • a large corporation which has hundreds or thousands of employees, comes over to Voat and pushes their advertising links to the frontpage because upvotes are not restricted for new accounts as much as downvotes
  • at the same time, majority of Voat users today does not have the ability to downvote or has restricted downvotes

Edit 3: This is now reverted to the way it was. I need to think this through.

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EIMR ago

I don't like this. This stopped new groups from brigading and taught that downvoting is important, not to be used indiscriminately as a disagree button. I don't see anything good coming from this.

EDIT: @Atko , what will happen with subverses that decide to continue having the CCP Requirement? Will they still be out of v/All?

NinjaPoolboy ago

I disagree with you and downvoated you. It was the first time I downvoated. It was beautiful. I feel this way because people that hold this odd ideal that downvoats should not be for disagreement support a ideology that seeks to oppose and chill my simple expression.

P.S. The funny thing is that whenever I post my stance on this subject I always get a lot of downvoats but not a lot of comments. :-$

EIMR ago

Well, the problem is that if you vote based on agreement, you will only see things you agree with, independent of quality. That would make a shitty Voat.

NinjaPoolboy ago

EVERYONE ALREADY VOATS BASED ON AGREEMENT! We are talking about the ability to voat on thing you disagree with. How do you know that unrestricted voating freedom would make a shitty voat? I think that reddit got "shittier" directly from the exact same "anti-downvote" ideology. When everyones standards for conversation shoot through the roof, suddenly people where all whinny about who downvoated who. I feel it's all a red herring for chilling conversation. Because not allowing people to downvote is ALL about CENSORING EXPRESSION. Which is the antithesis of voat.

NeedleInAHaystack ago

Because not allowing people to downvote is ALL about CENSORING EXPRESSION.

There are other ways of expressing yourself besides downvoating, your words for example. You will still have the ability to downvoat, you just have to earn it.

Voat is not censoring you by this restriction. If there is something that you disagree with so much that you feel this strongly about, then maybe you should argue your points and explain why you feel that way (as you are doing now).