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NapoleonComplex ago

Out of curiosity, what's the reasoning for the change?

ExtremeSquared ago

I think some of the "fringe communities" here have been gaming the system to ensure every member had downvoat power.

Vloorshad ago

Let's not kid ourselves and think that anybody we're worried about brigading wouldn't do this to make sure any of their members and alts could downvoat.

I'm with @EugeneNix in that the ability to turn off downvoats for specific subs is a good idea. However, that could also be abused to hell and back by undesirable subs, possibly even worse than CCP requirements. So maybe less "with", and more "I think we might need to get the mods something other than CCP requirements to manage downvoats in their subs".

SpaceRosa ago

How so? They could stop people from downvoting, but right now they can effectively stop that anyway by turning up the CCP needed to an absurd level like 5000. The price is to be removed from /v/all.

Vloorshad ago

I'm currently working some mental gymnastics to keep a sub on /v/all while mitigating the damage a brigade can do.

I don't have the time to think too deeply on it, but the more I think about it, the worse of an idea I think it is to allow a sub that blocks/limits downvoats on /v/all.

SpaceRosa ago

That's the point of it. If you alter the CCP needed in a subverse to downvote, it's removed from /v/all. Early on, some (white genocide, I think it was?) subverse was using an absurdly high threshold. It couldn't be downvotes, so it would keep hitting the front page. That feature was added in to put them on a more even playing field.

Vloorshad ago

Yeah, I figured it was for things like this. Despite this, I don't know that I want subs with downvoat restrictions being entirely excluded from the front page, either. Maybe subtract the required CCP from its upvoats? Thus a sub like your example would need 5000 upvoats just to be at 0.

SpaceRosa ago

Someone suggested a "True All" that would display all subverses, including those with a downvote restriction. I can't remember if it was noticed or not, but that might be good.

Vloorshad ago

That would actually probably be both an easier and better solution. /v/all could be the default like it is, and /v/trueall (or maybe /v/unfilteredall or /v/rawall)could be one that you subscribe to.